ilikemsticky
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I hope you get those ffs you guys are scaring me I haven't had mites yet and im keeping my fingers crossed good luck con!
Conradino23 Keeps On Keeping On Outdoor & Indoor Using LOS/High Brix Methods
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Conradino23
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Yeah I know this is how it went down here too. She was the weakest from the start and mites were only interested in sucking on her leaves. Otherwise I'd have full blown infestation by now. The others are riding high on Brix, which might have something to do with it.
I'm pretty sure it has everything to do with, I haven't had mites since adding silica to my nutrients so ipm definetly works.
Morglie
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Outside there are natural predators to those pests. We lose that when we move indoors. I'd rather grow indoors because of going perpetual, but it has its disadvantages. RH and mites are the two big ones I have, but there are others.
Edit: The mites always seem to prefer a plant or two that are susceptible to them.
Edit: The mites always seem to prefer a plant or two that are susceptible to them.
Can you get lady bugs conrad? Gazoo has a nice tutorial for building a lady bug house that keeps them around and allows them reproduce. They will eat mites and other insects and help keep things tidy for you.
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Conradino23
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They get silica with stinging nettle tea. In fact I wouldn't go without it!
Spot on, man! Outdoor if ecosystem is balanced, most of the bad guys will be devoured by predators and mine is fairly clean and has a high diversity, which is for years the only problem for me were snails and bud worms. But with mites in the game I'm gonna have to rethink my approach. Last time they completely infested Sensi Star, which is a very weak plant, but touched White Querkle only when I started chasing them down! And this time they went for a weak one too. I guess good selection of genetics can also work wonders
Yeah I'm seriously thinking about them although I let them into the tent, but definitely in a small number. I'm also thinking about predatory mites.
lazyfish
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I get spider mites quite frequently actually. I think they are in the soil. If soil touches a leaf when I am transplanting, I will just pull the leaf off or risk spider mites.
And ya some strains just seem more prone to infestations
Good luck, con!
And ya some strains just seem more prone to infestations
Good luck, con!
Morglie
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I spray at least once every two weeks if I see nothing with Doc's leaf wash. It's mainly neem and karanja oils. If I see issues, I spray every time they get watered.
Once they are a couple of weeks into flower I used spinosad as it doesn't mess with resin like the oil based leaf wash.
Once they are a couple of weeks into flower I used spinosad as it doesn't mess with resin like the oil based leaf wash.
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Conradino23
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I get spider mites quite frequently actually. I think they are in the soil. If soil touches a leaf when I am transplanting, I will just pull the leaf off or risk spider mites.
And ya some strains just seem more prone to infestations
Good luck, con!
It's impossible to say how they got inside, but if they only attacked this one plant she had to be the weak link.
I only spray if I really have to, but I might rethink that approach and start spraying preventively.
Morglie
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I was only spraying when I saw issues, but then I always would see them crop up eventually. I've only seen one slight issue with them now in the last 6 months since I've been spraying regularly and that was when I let up for three weeks to see if I would have to continue. They haven't infected my flower room at all in that time luckily, only veg.
Hemp mites can't travel as far as spider mites do. Plants touching each other will spread hemp mites... Spider Mites are more mobile and climb to the top of a plant,, and fall off and spread out faster. Hemp mites only have acouple legs and move slower.
If I was you Con,, I'd wash everything you have with a neem program. Up till the first week of flower. Neem will coat the leafs with an anti feed coating that hangs around for awhile,, giving you a start on flower of a mite-free plant.. Once she's flowering,, is acouple products that work and don't coat the plant with nasty tasting shit like neem.
Hard to say why and how you got them... ouse plants been known to have them too.. Cept generally in smaller numbers. They just seem to love pot... Good luck with them..
I'm dealing with seeds in mine right now........... Had a damn hermie in the room... Fed up alot of them as far as I can see. Keepem Green
millertm
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I enjoy both in and outdoor, by the time spring rolls around I'm tired of using a tent. Then I grow tired of mixing 30 gal of feed a week, vs 10 gal/week, indoor.
Cheers
Cheers
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Conradino23
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It's kind of like learning to drive a car after driving a bike. I assumed that outdoor was tougher and it occurs it was actually easier. I start understanding how mites can get totally beaten down by harsh outdoor conditions and natural predators, but can lead a sheltered life indoor. I think I'm gonna have to start partly sterilising the pots or just drop vegging them outdoor. What I can say is that mites tend to crop up in my ten in early flowering, which is a problem for me, cause I cannot just revert back to veg and have to fight them in the worst possible time.
Hi Amy. Hope you got a handle on the gnats.
Yeah I'm in flowering already, so neem is not a good option. Now I use alcohol and pyrethrin. Two days ago I gave all the plants a proper alcohol spraying, which I hope should kill these few mites that somehow managed to crawl on them. After I killed Honeysuckle I feel I have thing under control and I can't say I see any damage. But I ordered a new loupe - my old one is broken - to do another inspection. If I see any of these suckers I'm gonna spray pyrethrin and then I'm gonna give them a hot shower, which should prevent them from reproducing.
Maybe it's just bad luck, but it's really hard to embrace this indoor adventure if you get deadly pests two times in a row, which you've only read about beforehand and didn't even suspect could infest your own grow.
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Conradino23
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So yesterday I finally got a new life going in my tent and it was White Querkle, which is no surprise at all I decided to dig inside the other pots, cause it was getting late and Chem Dog and Grape Slushie rotted, one Bushmans didn't grow at all and one got stuck in soil. I started 5 new seeds: 2 Bushmans, 2 Jack Herers and a Dosi-D 
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Conradino23
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So yesterday I went to Switzerland with my two partners to check two operations: a grow/wholesale op and one wholesale/retail one. We did quite a bit of the road, and we got as far as Alsace (southern France) to get to Canton of Basel.
Well, the grow op in German speaking part of Switzerland was unimpressive. They had some pretty good looking weed like Super Silver Haze CBD I got to take home with me, but all flowers were harsh and unpleasant in a joint, so I couldn't really get past 5-6 tokes. But they're sitting on 4 mln EUR of canton subsidies, so I don't think they really care.
However, they had a nice lab and a solid range of products such as CBD candies, hemp energy drinks and good quality concentrates, CBD crystals and CBD oils, where most of the money is these days. Their cheapest outdoor flowers branded as Haze sold at 19CHF / 5g.
The other one was a quite dynamic wholesale/retail op ran by a French speaking guy near Basel. He basically took over an old gas stations and turned into a shop, an office and a storage. They had every CBD/hemp product you could imagine: coffee, soap, chocolate, creams and even condoms. Their flowers were a tad better quality, although some were too dry, and I took home Reina Madre CBD with me. Their best seller is a flower called Purple Haze.
When I asked the guy if he could show me any terpene lab work, he didn't know what I was talking about. Most of the scene in Switzerland is focused on CBD and keeping THC under 1% to meet legal regulations, and that's it basically. They've sifted through CBD genetics really well though, and they have a plenty of clones circulating around, but they don't have a clue how to grow them to full potential or how to work with terpenes to get a better tasting flower.
As far as our own operation is concerned, we have a very good idea now how to enter the market... but we still don't have the money
Ok, some pics.
Super Silver Haze CBD
Reina Madre CBD
Well, the grow op in German speaking part of Switzerland was unimpressive. They had some pretty good looking weed like Super Silver Haze CBD I got to take home with me, but all flowers were harsh and unpleasant in a joint, so I couldn't really get past 5-6 tokes. But they're sitting on 4 mln EUR of canton subsidies, so I don't think they really care.
However, they had a nice lab and a solid range of products such as CBD candies, hemp energy drinks and good quality concentrates, CBD crystals and CBD oils, where most of the money is these days. Their cheapest outdoor flowers branded as Haze sold at 19CHF / 5g.
The other one was a quite dynamic wholesale/retail op ran by a French speaking guy near Basel. He basically took over an old gas stations and turned into a shop, an office and a storage. They had every CBD/hemp product you could imagine: coffee, soap, chocolate, creams and even condoms. Their flowers were a tad better quality, although some were too dry, and I took home Reina Madre CBD with me. Their best seller is a flower called Purple Haze.
When I asked the guy if he could show me any terpene lab work, he didn't know what I was talking about. Most of the scene in Switzerland is focused on CBD and keeping THC under 1% to meet legal regulations, and that's it basically. They've sifted through CBD genetics really well though, and they have a plenty of clones circulating around, but they don't have a clue how to grow them to full potential or how to work with terpenes to get a better tasting flower.
As far as our own operation is concerned, we have a very good idea now how to enter the market... but we still don't have the money
Ok, some pics.
Super Silver Haze CBD
Reina Madre CBD
millertm
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Crazy, prices are dropping like crazy here. I'll go shopping in a bit and post my recept. $108/oz for 22% indoor grown. $15g nug run wax. Game is changing, price points at ~$500lbs for top shelf indoor is going to put a few people out of business.
Cheers
Cheers
ilikemsticky
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well that's good you got out and checked out future competition and came home with a nice assortment of things to play with those buds look good I like the little candies with the leaf on them so im wondering if some of that is coming from here that german pack that says premium outdoor quality and the can that's mostly English?
Update on the gals, which just started flowering yesterday... well at least two of them.
Honeysuckle, which looks like she has some kind of virus. Any other ideas?
Have you looked at that plant for mites Conrad? Looks like bug issue to me, but thats just a guess. Cheers brother.
Were they the Borg or Broad mites?
She is small enough you could do a full dip. I have been doing 5 gallon buckets full of water and a few tablespoons of Neem oil. I made foam lid that has a slit that I slide right around the stem of the plant, and it keep the soil from falling out when I flip it over and dip all the leaves in the 5 gallon bucket. If the plant is small enough, you can get a couple 1"x1" boards and make two rails that you can actually rest your upside down pot on while you drown any bugs on the leaves.
I have been leaving them dipped for 10-15 minutes. When they are done....just lift it up and flip it over and let it fully dry for 8-10 hours in INDIRECT light or it will burn the shit out of your leaves. There might still be a little stress to them if your mix is hot, but I can promise you that this is the single most effective way I have found to deal with any form of mites on smaller plants. I will even experiment with a bigger container for instances where any bigger plants get any bugs and need a dip.
It much easier doing the dip than the constant spraying. Now I spray for IPM and on any occasion that I see any bugs, I will do the dip. I use more Neem for more bugs. If I only see a few, I make the bucket mixture light...maybe only 1-2 tablespoons of Neem. If there are a lot.....I go to 5+ tablespoons. If you use the hotter mix, you gotta give them the full 10 hours to dry. You might even want to redip again after that 10 hours in just plain water or else you might crisp up alot of your newer growth. I have found close to 100% effectiveness with the dip method over spraying. But I can't stress the danger of frying your plants if you don't let it dry enough before putting them back under the lights.
One other thing I like to do, especially if the plant is smaller, is actually rub the underside of the leaves while its dipped in the water. It washes any eggs off or any clingy resilient bugs. Its another tool you can use in your tool box if you want. Cheers and good luck getting rid of them.