Colombian Andes Greenhouse SIP CBD Auto Grow

[InTheShed]

Emilya thought (and I agreed) that it was a K (potassium) deficiency. It doesn't look at all like Ca or Mg to me.

I was told that for CBD you want to harvest a lil' early, as CBD degrades faster than THC. But I don't really know. Usually I just wait until it seems right (whatever that means).

You harvest CBD at the same time you would THC, based on the trichomes.

 

[CBDMed]

Emilya thought (and I agreed) that it was a K (potassium) deficiency. It doesn't look at all like Ca or Mg to me.

Ahh, sorry Shed!! Sorry, @Emilya Green !!
I forgot to say! I bought that PK 13-14 supplement I was looking at after both you and Emilya recommended K!
I had it expressed, and have been adding it to each watering.
CBD suggested CalMag, and so I thought to cover both contingencies. Is that wrong??


Of course, math hasn't been my strong suit since my head injury, so maybe I am getting the PK 13-14 dosing wrong?
Here is from the BioNova website:

Technical specifications​

Application in irrigation
From start flowering until a week before harvest: 2-6ml per 10 liter of water.

I think 5ml is a teaspoon?
So a teaspoon in 10 liters is a teaspoon in 2.5 gallons?
So for 4 liters / 1 gallon I would use 1/2.5 teaspoons, = 40% of a teaspoon in 4 liters / 1 gallon? (That is what I have been using.)
Is that maybe not enough?

Oy, my mind is bending, I just now found this Feeding Chart ("Hmmmm.... I wonder if that would be important???" )
I am feeling a little overwhelmed. I am not sure what to do. The "Veganics" line that I have access to here does not even show up on this chart. (I have really limited access to stuff here.)
My head is spinning a little. How much PK 13-14 should I add?
(And does PK injury re-green? Or not re-green?)

You harvest CBD at the same time you would THC, based on the trichomes.

Thank you!

 

[Emilya Green]

I am starting to suspect that you are underfeeding. That sure seems like a minimal amount of nutrient, but I don't know that line, so maybe it is super powerful. Anyone else using those nutes that can help?

 

[InTheShed]

How much PK 13-14 should I add?

Is that the mix-in organic powder? What does it say on the bag? It's difficult to know what the plant is really getting at any given time when top dressing an LOS grow. Obviously Emilya has a lot more experience with organic grows than I do (which is none).

If you had something like Potassium silicate I'd be able to give you a better idea.

I think 5ml is a teaspoon?

Yes.

So a teaspoon in 10 liters is a teaspoon in 2.5 gallons?

2.64 but yes.

Is that maybe not enough?

Or too much depending on what's in the soil already. According to Mulder's chart, Ca locks out potassium (along with a number of other elements. Mixing your own soil might be okay if you follow the recipe exactly or do a test grow or two to work out the kinks, but it's tough to start blending LOS and then adding both organic and synthetic nutes to it, not to mention your first go round with SIPping.

 

[CBDMed]

I am starting to suspect that you are underfeeding. That sure seems like a minimal amount of nutrient, but I don't know that line, so maybe it is super powerful. Anyone else using those nutes that can help?

Thank you, @Emilya Green !!
I opened up this here Feeding Chart, and does it maybe say 5x or 6x dosing during peak flowering??
So like 1x is .4 teaspoon per gallon, but right now I should think more like 5x normal dosing, which would be 2 teaspoons per gallon?
Am I reading that right??

 

[Emilya Green]

Now we're talking! That sounds a whole lot more reasonable. Stop everything else that you were planning on giving it and try this new feeding dosage for a few watering cycles ... Let's see what happens!

 

[InTheShed]

Oh it's liquid PK? Sorry I somehow thought it was an organic top-dress.

5.8ml/gallon will put you at 0-88-180 which would be fine for potassium in late flower if there were no other sources of P or K in the soil.

 

[CBDMed]

Is that the mix-in organic powder?

Liquid.

What does it say on the bag?

Hahahaha!

"In the first place, add water to the feed tank, according to the required quantity of PK 13-14, mix well. See the program of fertilization to obtain más información! Jaja!"

It's difficult to know what the plant is really getting at any given time when top dressing an LOS grow. Obviously Emilya has a lot more experience with organic grows than I do (which is none).

If you had something like Potassium silicate I'd be able to give you a better idea.

Sorry, access to nutes is really limited around here! And although I know nothing about LOS or the Rev, I was very happy and thrilled to find the components for Subcool's! Now hopefully I will learn that recipes are balanced (like in cooking), and that one needs to take care not to unbalance them!
Plus I hope the NPK test kits will be here soon, but I am not sure how to test for Calcium and Magnesium, except maybe to send it out for a test.

Yes.

2.64 but yes.

Haha!!

Or too much depending on what's in the soil already.

Oy!!! How can I know before the NPK test kits get here??

According to Mulder's chart, Ca locks out potassium (along with a number of other elements.

Oy....

Mixing your own soil might be okay if you follow the recipe exactly

I hope so!

or do a test grow or two to work out the kinks,

"Currently in progress" I hope, haha!

but it's tough to start blending LOS and then adding both organic and synthetic nutes to it, not to mention your first go round with SIPping.

Siiii....
I am REALLY appreciating everyone's help here!

 

[CBDMed]

Now we're talking! That sounds a whole lot more reasonable. Stop everything else that you were planning on giving it and try this new feeding dosage for a few watering cycles ... Let's see what happens!

Ok, GREAT!!


Thank you, @Emilya Green !!!

 

[CBDMed]

Oh it's liquid PK? Sorry I somehow thought it was an organic top-dress.

No worries, Shed!! Thanks for your willingness to help (especially since it is not your grow style)!!

5.8ml/gallon will put you at 0-88-180 which would be fine for potassium in late flower if there were no other sources of P or K in the soil.

Sorry, I just saw this email (with the "posts crossing" thing, I think.
I am going to go with Emmers' recommendation, bump to 2 teaspoons per feeding for a while, and see what happens.
(And there's probably enough CalMag in that soil now to last it the rest of the grow! Or maybe the next three grows! Haha!)

 

[CBDMed]

Oh no!!
The aphids are back, attacking the coca plants again!

I had them inside with not enough light when I first got here (two or three months ago), so they got aphids.
When I moved them upstairs and outside into the greenhouse, the aphids disappeared!
Now it seems the plants are blooming and growing again (spring???? Not sure, really), so the aphids are on the attack for the nice young foliage!

I hated to do it, but I hit them with neem oil and soap. Those leaves won't be good for anything, but maybe it can buy me some time, to save the plants?
Probably I need to find out what kind of soils they really like, and uppot, to give it its favorite soil?
Living in a warm humid greenhouse, I am not sure what else they might want...
Is there a forum thread for autistic coca growers? Hahaha.
Or does anyone have any ideas?
I COATED these guys in diatomaceous earth before, and it was like it made no difference! So I could only think of neem.

 

[InTheShed]

Neem will do it, so will liquid Castile soap (which washes off much easier than Neem if you want to use the leaves). I don't use Neem for cannabis plants in flower though.

You can also mix DE with water and spray the leaves. When it dries it leaves a coating of DE behind, which takes a while to work but should be effective eventually. Again, don't use DE on cannabis plants in flower because it's difficult to wash off and not good to smoke.

 

[CBDMed]

Yeah, I had DE all over it last time, but it did not help.
Moving to the rooftop helped while they were not growing.
Now that they are growing, the aphids are back (for the soft tender young leaves).
I have to research potting soils for coca plants, to make sure I am giving them the happiest environment I can, until I can get them planted in ground, in a greenhouse.
Once they are in the ground (in a greenhouse) I hope to let them get big before I start harvesting leaves. (Harvesting leaves makes them grow.)
I ordered some bigger pots, and the way my supply chain works, that will likely take two weeks :-/
So I have two weeks to research better soils.
(Seems a lot of soil issues, hmmm...... )

 

[cbdhemp808]

I hated to do it, but I hit them with neem oil and soap. Those leaves won't be good for anything, but maybe it can buy me some time, to save the plants?

I just treated my young sativas w/ neem and soap this morning. They had just a few aphids near the tops. I also added 8 drops of limonene to the solution, in 1 gal.

Good luck, I hope your treatment works. It should. Might take a couple applications.

 

[CBDMed]

I just treated my young sativas w/ neem and soap this morning. They had just a few aphids near the tops. I also added 8 drops of limonene to the solution, in 1 gal.

Good luck, I hope your treatment works. It should. Might take a couple applications.

Thanks! I hope to check it daily for a while.
I hope you get your PM and other problems solved!

 

[CBDMed]

Hola everyone.
I wonder if you might please want to help me by critiquiing my trimming technique.
I am a bit pressed for time (so it is not as neat and picture-perfect as I would like, but how is my trimming technique in general? (Is there a better way to go?)
@cbdhemp808 advised me to take my time with trimming, and I think I figured out "a" strategy.
Right now I am just trying to remove any big fans that block bud sites, and also block light down and in.
(If I can see a fan leaf stem easy, I take it. But if the stem is too short to take it easily, I leave it, no pun intended, haha!)
(Sorry if it is kind of hard to see with all of the other plants, but I just filled the reservoirs for Shabbat, and don't want to move them right now.)

Alternately, I noticed that some people (Hi @Krissi Carbone ! Talking about you!! Haha) lollipop their plants, cleaning up the bottom 1/2 - 2/3 of the stems, but seeming leaving a lot thicker, denser canopy.
I was just wondering if / when lollipopping is more effective versus what I am doing here, which is simply trying to open the autos up so that light can penetrate down and in?
Here are some plant pics from @Krissi Carbone's gorgeous garden (free press, haha!).

I don't have a lot of time, but if I can, I want to maximize the crop (y'know what I mean?).
I hope to be back after Shabbat.
Thank you!

 

[Krissi Carbone]

Hola everyone.
I wonder if you might please want to help me by critiquiing my trimming technique.
I am a bit pressed for time (so it is not as neat and picture-perfect as I would like, but how is my trimming technique in general? (Is there a better way to go?)
@cbdhemp808 advised me to take my time with trimming, and I think I figured out "a" strategy.
Right now I am just trying to remove any big fans that block bud sites, and also block light down and in.
(If I can see a fan leaf stem easy, I take it. But if the stem is too short to take it easily, I leave it, no pun intended, haha!)
(Sorry if it is kind of hard to see with all of the other plants, but I just filled the reservoirs for Shabbat, and don't want to move them right now.)

Alternately, I noticed that some people (Hi @Krissi Carbone ! Talking about you!! Haha) lollipop their plants, cleaning up the bottom 1/2 - 2/3 of the stems, but seeming leaving a lot thicker, denser canopy.
I was just wondering if / when lollipopping is more effective versus what I am doing here, which is simply trying to open the autos up so that light can penetrate down and in?
Here are some plant pics from @Krissi Carbone's gorgeous garden (free press, haha!).

I don't have a lot of time, but if I can, I want to maximize the crop (y'know what I mean?).
I hope to be back after Shabbat.
Thank you!

You know, it's like why have 6 oz of mixed buds when I can have 6 oz of entirely heavy hitting buds, all equally or as close to being equally developed as possible come harvest?

It's a practice I've adapted recently and it has led to more bountiful harvests for sure. As I said to @Gidorah today too, it's so much less work! I don't have to bother training them, holding them down, twisting them around, recovery phase isn't necessary so the plants just keep pumping from start to finish.

It is important not to defoliate too much though, the plants need those leaves for photosynthesis. On top of the benefits of this pruning technique in the bud development sense, it also helps tremendously with air flow and circulation and reduces the risk of pathogens and mold. It's a win win for my gardens for sure and less work for me!

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[cbdhemp808]

@Krissi Carbone do you have any thoughts about applying the technique to outdoor/greenhouse grows?

 

[Krissi Carbone]

@Krissi Carbone do you have any thoughts about applying the technique to outdoor/greenhouse grows?

My thoughts would be the same, provided you had enough plants in a small space and want to maximize yield. Although I have no experience with outdoor or greenhouse farming (I have the biggest retirement aspirations of multiple greenhouse grows, a Krissi strain making greenhouse, near a lake and more), I would have to say the benefits of pest mold prevention way heavily in favor of this method for outdoor growing. You can more easily spot things getting to your plants, mold starting or the like. My only concern would be support. They get top heavy so outdoors, there would need to be some type of caged environment or with some tall bamboo stakes....I know those outdoor plants get quite large....

 

[InTheShed]

@Krissi Carbone do you have any thoughts about applying the technique to outdoor/greenhouse grows?

I lollipop all my plants about a week before flip, and I use a lot of bamboo and pipe cleaners to hold the buds up at harvest. Here's one:

Like Krissi, I try to leave on as many fans as possible above the trim line.