ChemDawg D BX 3

These are showing variation.

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I need to keep a close eye on them and do my homework here. Damn I know I'm going to make the wrong picks so I have to think this out. I'll light stress them soon, look at pics of Chemdawg D online, look at the first pics I took here, and label each plant carefully as well as chart each one. My records are going to have to be kept precise to do this right. Each plant feature has to have pics and info; gonna be a lot of work.

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Oh by the way the lower left plant isn't one of them. It's getting the light stress treatment too 'cause I need to see if it's a true female before I try (and fail) to pin down that triple node trait. It already looks like the plant is normalizing; time to cut its head off and clone it I think. :)
 
Back over to 12/12 last night and still no signs of sex. A few of the plants are starting to become rootbound; watering when wilted has no effect on bring the plant back. I have to repot these ones a bit early. I like the vigor of a few of them and the strong main stem and even nodal growth on about 1/3 of the plants, but I still have no idea what the M/F/H ratios will be. I know I'm not going to get this by aiming at a look or a smell so I better pay close attention here. So many things that could have been used in the garlic pheno cross have the same flowering period, I can't sort them out by that either. A breeder named Rezdog did a Chemdog D IBL, and if I kept the best one out of ten seeds (if it's still available), I should have something to grow side by side with it to see if I'm right.
 
Technical note: At present the numbers seem to be this (they will change as the next week passes): From the 11 seeds germinated I have 1 same-sex or hermaphrodite, 3 females, and 7 males.
That sucks. They are just beginning to show, meaning the 3 females could be hermie also. One female looks the part of the mother if not. And I have 7 fathers to choose from. In a grouping of 11 plants I'm not so worried, but I still hate the stats. If this were 11,000 plants and 7,000 of them were male, I'd assume the hybrid was still unstable and the sex chromosomes in the mother plant decided to kick out extra dads to make sure that the moms are guaranteed to seed and the species lives on. If that's the case I would think more than 1,000 are going to be same sex or hermie and the number of true females would be low. But the one good thing is that I can look at a pic of the original Chemdog D and try to match the look to the father. ;)
 
I absolutely adore chemdawg and all her relatives it's turning out too,I have a good size hso chemdawg going,and ran a green house chemdog last year it was my favorite , I will be using it in my breeding program,first cross will be to GDP :thumb:
 
BigIrishDoode said:
I absolutely adore chemdawg and all her relatives it's turning out too,I have a good size hso chemdawg going,and ran a green house chemdog last year it was my favorite , I will be using it in my breeding program,first cross will be to GDP :thumb:
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I actually did a seed crop of GDP before I learned about breeders protecting their work. Then I understood that I wouldn't be getting GDP because of the unstable seed stock I started with. I knew then that to get any controllable results I would either have to start out with landrace stock, or stabilize something myself (which is what I'm doing here).
 
Note: final numbers (better). 6 females w/1 potential hermie and 5 males, which I made my choice of today. I'll pic the plants when they recover from the transplant shock into the 1 gallon pots they will go to the end with (they were in smaller pots because it's a seed crop and I didn't want to waste soil, so they were very dry when I did the transplant). I picked a healthy but not too branchy male that looks pretty vigorous. I'm going to keep the light stress up for approximately 1 more week to make sure there aren't any more hermies than the possible one. I also fed the plants FF week 5 (at full strength), until I know which female I'm going to pick as the mother. Then I'll switch the plants that I'm going to flower out for smoke to the feeding program I mentioned at the beginning of the thread, and the parents will be kept on FF.

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A good way to get seed that's the same as the parent is to make feminized seed with colloidal silver, for all intensive purposes it's a clone in a seed, every one I've done grows identical plants to the mother,and I don't have to keep a mother going, ,I like getting my hands on ibl's when I can, I have a few,:high-five:
 
BigIrishDoode said:
A good way to get seed that's the same as the parent is to make feminized seed with colloidal silver, for all intensive purposes it's a clone in a seed, every one I've done grows identical plants to the mother,and I don't have to keep a mother going, ,I like getting my hands on ibl's when I can, I have a few,:high-five:
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Out of curiousity, did you ever try to use any of the hormone changers (colloidal silver, silver thiosulfate, or gibberellic acid) on one of the seeds you produced, or any purchased stock that a breeder S1'ed? I'm wondering what it would do.
Another thing I considered was trying to selectively breed the Big Bud #1 (or 2?) out of the GDP seeds I produced and get Purple Erkel. That one would be later on, though.
 
PotChimp said:
Out of curiousity, did you ever try to use any of the hormone changers (colloidal silver, silver thiosulfate, or gibberellic acid) on one of the seeds you produced, or any purchased stock that a breeder S1'ed? I'm wondering what it would do.
Another thing I considered was trying to selectively breed the Big Bud #1 (or 2?) out of the GDP seeds I produced and get Purple Erkel. That one would be later on, though.
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I've seen BID use and make his own Colloidal Silver so yes he has:)
 
The final inspection of these left me disappointed. Not because the one plant DID turn out hermie and left me with a final count of 5 females, 2 hermies, and 4 males, but because every plant here except the other males I culled (obviously can't tell with them seein's how theys dedd) is showing the same overbreeding trait that my GSC grow did. Yep you guessed it they are showing signs of allopolyploidywopbopaloobopalopbamboom :( So I picked the female that showed it the least.
Here's the mother:

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And the father:

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They are under a 200 watt red spectrum mogul-base CFL @12/12 (unit #5; hello 4 figure electric bill!), separate from the other 4, which are still in unit #2 and now under 400 watts @ 12/12 with my flowering clones. I put a 125 watt full spectrum mogul base CFL in unit #1 and set it @ 1/23 to keep the bill down (my clones that I don't want to flower out yet will go in there to GLR).
Here's the mother rejects. Left side:

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Right side:

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GSC, Blueberry, Blue Cheese, and Chemdawg D BX 3 clones in the middle:

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A variegated Dutch Passion Blueberry leaf:

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Bet I get an infertile seed crop.....:(

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I only use pure silver safe enough to drink, I try to use a second clone for the seeds that unaltered even by the silver,I prefer to fem females from reg seed,but it's not always possible,I created fem seed from a fem blue cheese & blue mystic that grow out really nice and look indentical to their moms,I feel since silver is non toxic(within reason) it's the best method,when I tried it with hermies that I did with stress,(lights ,over flowering,etc) I got high numbers of hermies from seed,with silver IM yet to see a hermie or male, in the resulting seeds, to me what's going on is the silver inhibits the flowering hormone no other changes are happening in the plant it's not being triggered to to hermie just tricked, the rest of the plant will grow and flower normally if you only treat 1 branch, I an set in my method now,and like the results,it gives me the ability to store a strain for later without taking up plant count,and there's less risk of losing it to a disaster,or the genetics going feral ,also the seeds grow much more vigorously than clone after clone ..
 
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