CBD Auto EmmyStack In AziSIPs, GeoFlora, Sweet Candy, Dynomyco, Roots Organic Soil +

[InTheShed]

has anyone ever done side-by-side testing on urine versus Geo Flora? Or Terp Tea?

Not specifically that I know of, but this might give you some info:

 

[Azimuth]

Not specifically that I know of, but this might give you some info:

If I recall, he was less than impressed...

 

[InTheShed]

If I recall, he was less than impressed...

That was my memory of watching it as well!

 

[CBDMed]

Not specifically that I know of, but this might give you some info:

Oh, wow, thanks for posting that!! I need to find some organic Veg nutes before the next feeding!

 

[CBDMed]

¡¡¡Ay ay ay!!!
Oy va voi.
There is NO availability on Terp Tea Veg or organic anything Veg I can find here in Colombia (except for those Veganics seaweed extracts, which maybe taste great, but are not that powerful).
Dude's Colombia point of contact is out of Terp Tea or anything similar organic.

The only thing I can find to ship quickly at this time of year is some Dr. Earth All Purpose Organic 4-4-4, which looks like good ingredients.
Ingredients: Fish bone meal, fish meal, alfalfa meal, feather meal, potassium sulfate, bat guano, kelp meal, soft rock phosphate, cottonseed meal, seaweed extract and seven strains of Pro-Biotic beneficial soil microbes, PLUS Ecto and Endo Mycorrhizae.

Maybe if it gets here on time I can use it to "supplement" the urine?
Probably it will NOT get here on time... ....so maybe what I can do at the next feeding is just to cobble together everything that I have, and hope it holds?
I take organic vitamins, so the urine should be "full spectrum" (haha).
And then add some of that Veganics liquid seaweed stuff?

Question: I am sure this is less than perfect, but would it be bad to feed like with a half-dose of GeoFlora Bloom, and water it in with the urine/seaweed combo, just to add some dimension to the urine? Or would that be bad (counterproductive)?

(Man, and I was SO hoping for a drama-free grow!! But hey, I guess the bright side is, this is how you learn??)

 

[Azimuth]

Question: I am sure this is less than perfect, but would it be bad to feed like with a half-dose of GeoFlora Bloom, and water it in with the urine/seaweed combo, just to add some dimension to the urine? Or would that be bad (counterproductive)?

Urine is pretty high in N and while your plants do need N in flower I'd be concerned about it being too much.

 

[CBDMed]

Urine is pretty high in N and while your plants do need N in flower I'd be concerned about it being too much.

Me too. I think last time we hit this topic, @cbdhemp808 was saying to dilute it 10:1 with water. (Emmy thought it was an ok practice, so I thought to skip the expense on the GF Veg, since shipping is such a killer.)
I think at one point I went a little heavy on the dog water and it was closer to 6 or 7:1, and Emmy thought it looked too green (and I did also), so good call with the urine, CBD! I just was not aware that the stuff is not complete.

Anyway, I was thinking I can probably moderate the N level of dogwater by eyeball, but it is all of those micro and trace nutrients I do not know about, and I want the plants to do as well as they can during growth, so they can fruit better later.
So, I realize this is not perfect, but that is when I started thinking maybe I could add maybe a half-dose (or even a third of a dose) of GF Bloom (low N) to go along with the urine (high N), and maybe that way there will be enough trace and micro minerals for the plants to get full size. (Because if peppers died only on urine, I would think it would also not be enough for cannabis.)

 

[Azimuth]

No compost or worm castings to be had?

 

[CBDMed]

Great ideas, Azi. Thanks.

EWC are easy, but I already have a 1" layer of EWC in the build. Should I add more?
Or could I do an EWC tea? (I already have the bags and the bubbler stones.)

If this is helpful, I found a good source for local kelp that is 1/2 price as compared to shipping it in from the USA, so kelp flakes are easy (and I am eager to try them).
Only, I will also be using the BioNova Veganics Grow (which is mostly a marine algae extract, not sure if that means kelp or what). So will kelp flakes be better than BioNova Veganics Grow (which I plan to use at double strength).

Once two years ago I found (non-organic, standard) kitchen compost, and then they quit making it, but I can see if I can find it again.

We will want to start composting once we hit the property (in @ 18 months). (We tried those tumble composters on rooftops here, and we just had flies and maggots everywhere.)

 

[CBDMed]

Ok, I was able to find kitchen compost, restaurant compost, mushroom compost, sugar cane compost ( ), and composted chicken manure.
I put in my purchasing request, and because of the time of year (and Colombia shuts down), we will see how many of them get here in time for next week's feeding.

It occurs to me that I can also get all the fresh organic goat manure pellets I want (tea?).
I can also find (non-organic) cow manure (if needed).
What would you recommend?

 

[cbdhemp808]

Me too. I think last time we hit this topic, @cbdhemp808 was saying to dilute it 10:1 with water. (Emmy thought it was an ok practice, so I thought to skip the expense on the GF Veg, since shipping is such a killer.)
I think at one point I went a little heavy on the dog water and it was closer to 6 or 7:1, and Emmy thought it looked too green (and I did also), so good call with the urine, CBD! I just was not aware that the stuff is not complete.

Anyway, I was thinking I can probably moderate the N level of dogwater by eyeball, but it is all of those micro and trace nutrients I do not know about, and I want the plants to do as well as they can during growth, so they can fruit better later.
So, I realize this is not perfect, but that is when I started thinking maybe I could add maybe a half-dose (or even a third of a dose) of GF Bloom (low N) to go along with the urine (high N), and maybe that way there will be enough trace and micro minerals for the plants to get full size. (Because if peppers died only on urine, I would think it would also not be enough for cannabis.)

Hey Gringuito!

Here's the specs I found on urine. Note that it also contains significant amounts of P and K. Also S, Mg, Ca, chloride, and sodium. I dilute in rain water, for example: 1 qt in 2 gal water, or 2 qt in 4 gal water. The mixture produces bubbles very easily when vigorously stirred, which I think provides good oxygenation for the roots.

I also water with a readily available, high-N liquid fert, which you can read about here, here, here, here. It has an N-P-K value of about 11-2-4. The N is mainly from ammonia compounds. The fert also contains Na, Cl, S, Mg, Ca. Plants love it. The fert is added to a 5 gal bucket of rainwater and stirred clockwise vigorously, then counter-stirred to oxygenate, and then poured into 2 gal bucket to further oxygenate.

 

[CBDMed]

Hey Gringuito!

Here's the specs I found on urine. Note that it also contains significant amounts of P and K. Also S, Mg, Ca, chloride, and sodium. I dilute in rain water, for example: 1 qt in 2 gal water, or 2 qt in 4 gal water. The mixture produces bubbles very easily when vigorously stirred, which I think provides good oxygenation for the roots.

Muy bien, CBD. Gracias.
Now that I have some Purina Plant Chow on the way for long term, it occurs to me that I should probably be in pretty good shape in the near term.

I will probably not have any fancy packaged Grow powders from the States for the next feeding, but we should still be able to mix the urine with a thick bubbled compost tea of some flavor, plus kelp flakes, and molasses (and maybe some GF Bloom).
The girls eat, but if we give them all that along with the urine, they probably should not go too hungry.
Then the cycle after that I should have some USA powders to fake it (Dr. Earth All Purpose 4-4-4 plus some urine.)
Then after that I should be back to GF Bloom and Sweet Candy for the rest of the grow.
Not perfect, but does that seem like it might work?
Haha, I was hoping to avoid drama during this grow!

The main dude from Roots (Aurora) says they have an ocean container on the way. It should be here the end of January. I said very cool, how often to they get a container in? He said like maybe every six months or so, depending on demand, of course. So I should be able to get some Terp Tea near the end of January, just in time for the next grow.
I am thinking, their soil is the nicest I have used. You can tell it is full of meals. If their Terp Tea is anything like that, it is probably the best dry powder I can find in country. I am super blessed that they ship here, so we get boat-shipping prices (which are more affordable).
So we will start checking around the end of January (which should be about near the end of this grow).

 

[cbdhemp808]

Excited to see your grow take off!

 

[SmokingWings]

The main dude from Roots (Aurora) says they have an ocean container on the way. It should be here the end of January. .........................
So we will start checking around the end of January (which should be about near the end of this grow).

More likely the Terp Tea you are looking for will not be available until the end of February or even a bit later. Even if the freighter docks at the end of January there is still time to off-load, transport, and then when it arrives at the factory they will still need time to test and then mix.

Unless the freighter is carrying the Terp Tea already mixed.

 

[CBDMed]

More likely the Terp Tea you are looking for will not be available until the end of February or even a bit later. Even if the freighter docks at the end of January there is still time to off-load, transport, and then when it arrives at the factory they will still need time to test and then mix.

Unless the freighter is carrying the Terp Tea already mixed.

I think they are like 3 pound and 9 pound bags, or something.
I would probably snag a mess of the 9 pounders.
I started with most of an 8 Lb. bag of GF, and have maybe one cup left. So, maybe a 9 pounder is similar?
How big are the weekly feedings?

 

[SmokingWings]

I think they are like 3 pound and 9 pound bags, or something.
I would probably snag a mess of the 9 pounders.

I suggest getting a 3 lb bag and trying it out before spending on the 9 lb bags. If you really like the product then when it is time to buy more you can get the 9 lb bags.

I started with most of an 8 Lb. bag of GF, and have maybe one cup left. So, maybe a 9 pounder is similar?
How big are the weekly feedings?

Their web site will have the doses to use as a top dressing or how much to mix with a gallon of water. If I remember right it is a level tablespoon per gallon of soil if top dressing.

 

[CBDMed]

I suggest getting a 3 lb bag and trying it out before spending on the 9 lb bags. If you really like the product then when it is time to buy more you can get the 9 lb bags.

Yeah, good idea. I definitely need to check costs before I make any purchasing decisions.

So far, if you discount cooking time, supersoil is definitely the least time consuming. (3 hours to mix a big batch, and then you just water it from there on out).
I guess Subcool and others updated the formula, so there are some new variations that have a bunch of cool meals (of the kind found in GF, Terp Tea, and Dr. Earth).

For pricing, one option is that I could buy a bunch of 10 Lb. boxes and sacks of this and that meals (alfalfa, fish, crab, etc.), and have them reshipped by expensive $$$$ spendy Amazon airplanes $$$$.

Alternately, the Roots Terp Teas will have a bunch of those meals already pre-mixed in 3 Lb and 9 Lb bags.
On the one hand, probably you will pay morem because it is already pre-mixed and ready to go.
However, then on the other hand you *might pay less, because Aurora (Roots) buys stuff by the traincar-full, so they get economies of scale (e.g., 50% off) that we never get.
Also Roots ships their Terp Teas to Colombia by boat container, which also saves spendy airplane shipping costs $$$$.

So, it is possible that it *may be cheaper to buy pre-mixed bags of Terp Tea from Roots Colombia (Tech Industries), than to buy the 10 Lb boxes of meals and have them shipped individually.
I guess I just have to read up and check.

 

[CBDMed]

I suggest getting a 3 lb bag and trying it out before spending on the 9 lb bags. If you really like the product then when it is time to buy more you can get the 9 lb bags.

Well...
Thinking about this some more, I maybe have enough supersoil at the moment for 10 SIPs (guessing).
I need 15 SIPs to fill the grow room (and then however many for the roof).
So, if I am going to do supersoil again, I should mix it now, so it has time to cook.

So, following this through, right now I have enough supersoil components to make at least 15 pots more, by the original recipe (which is good, but could be better).
The updated recipes are supposed to be better, but I would have to add some other meals (feather meal, fish bone meal, alfalfa meal, crustacean meal, etc., depending on the recipe).

THE GOOD:
Subcool Supersoil original components:
I can find Roots Organic Base Soil.
EWC is easy
Blood meal I can get.
Bat guano I can get
Rock Phosphate I can get
Ground limestone I can get
Epsom salt I can get (make sure they do not give you table salt instead)
Dolomite Lime I can get
Rock dust I can get

THE NICE
I also found kelp flakes in country for 1/2 of what it costs to send them from the US.

THE AIRMAIL-SPENDY-SPENDY:
The rest of the components are shipped in by air.
I am searching, and so far this is all representative:
Best price on FISH BONE meal @ $26.50 / Lb.
1 Lb of DTE Fish Bone Meal in country is $32.00 ($32/Lb)
4 Lb Espoma Fish Bone Meal for $53.81 (call it $26.50 a Lb)

Best price on FISH MEAL @ $11/Lb.
3 Lb Jobe's Organics Fish Meal for $33.66 (Only $11/Lb... pretty good for imported anything).

BONE MEAL
4 Lb Espoma Bone Meal $44.88 (Only $11 / LB... pretty good)
5 Lb DTE Bone Meal for $54.32 (I am not making these numbers up! Just UNDER $11/Lb)
3 Lb Burpee Bone Meal $33.41 ($11/Lb)

(I can find these on Amazon and have them shipped, and it is similar pricing.)

I cannot find Alfalfa meal to import, but maybe I can find a sack in the feed store (since they grow it here, and cows also eat it).

ALTERNATELY, I went to the Tech Industries website, and they sell Terp Teas by the 3, 9, and 40 Lb bags (when they have them).
Assuming the prices for Bloom are also representative for Veg, here are the costs:
9 Lb = $223,500 COP = @ $60 USD = @ $6.67 / Lb
40 Lb = $ 720,000 COP = @ $186.56 USD = @ $4.59 / Lb.
And in fact, the 40 Lb Bloom is on sale right now, so it is $4.36 LB right now.
I can't send ANYTHING by air for $4.36 a pound, so to me, that looks like a super cheap, very-high-quality amendment.


...One question: what happens if you mix the Terp Teas that you WOULD have top-dressed weekly into your supersoil cook (and then cook it)?
Is it usable that way? Or is it better to top-dress weekly?

*
For reference, here is the Terp Tea Bloom page translated into English (and it is basically everything that I WOULD try to source and add to the updated Supersoil, if it did not cost so much!!):

Ingredients: Bat guano, fish bone meal, crab meal, seaweed meal, non-GMO soybean meal, seabird guano, feather meal, langbeinite, kieserite, rock phosphate, sulfate of potash, dolomite. It also contains non-plant food ingredients, beneficial bacteria and beneficial fungi.

It also contains plant-free food ingredients.

* Bacteria content:
Bacillus licheniformis
25,000,000 CFU per gram
Bacillus megaterium
25,000,000 CFU per gram
Bacillus simplex
25,000,000 CFU per gram
Bacillus subtilis
50,000,000 CFU per gram

* Mycorrhizal fungi content:
Funneliformis mosseae
0.1 PROPAGULES per gram
Rhizophagus aggregatum
0.04 PROPAGULES per gram
Rhizophagus intraradices
1.0 PROPAGULES per gram
Septoglomus deserticola
0.1 PROPAGULES per gram

Certifications: ICA Registration and California Organic CDFA Certificate.

 

[CBDMed]

For example, GF wants me to add 1/2 cup 3 times in Veg, and another 1/2 cup 3 times in bloom.
3 x 1/2 cup Veg = 1.5 cups
3 x 1/2 cup Bloom - 1.5 cups
So, I am adding about 3 cups of GF to about 4G of soil.

Just from curiosity, what would happen if I hypothetically mixed 1.5 cups GF Veg and 1.5 cups GF Bloom into 4G of soil, cooked it, and then tried to use it in a SIP?
Would it probably work?
Or would it probably go septic?
Or no one knows?

 

[Bill284]

For example, GF wants me to add 1/2 cup 3 times in Veg, and another 1/2 cup 3 times in bloom.
3 x 1/2 cup Veg = 1.5 cups
3 x 1/2 cup Bloom - 1.5 cups
So, I am adding about 3 cups of GF to about 4G of soil.

Just from curiosity, what would happen if I hypothetically mixed 1.5 cups GF Veg and 1.5 cups GF Bloom into 4G of soil, cooked it, and then tried to use it in a SIP?
Would it probably work?
Or would it probably go septic?
Or no one knows?

I don't run sips but gf in soil doesn't go septic as far as I know.
Hope your doing well my friend.


Stay safe
Bill284