You mean so that you wouldn't need to buy more seed to get started at the farm?
Yes. Only, it is not really the cost that I am concerned about.
For full disclosure, some people have done lots and lots of research, and yet they still see the world as being a wee bit unstable, and they are concerned about food and medicine security in a world trending toward the WEF UN Agenda 2030 "there will be global communism coordinated by the government, and you will own nothing, and you will be happy about it."
Some people have had dealings with the government, and while they USED to trust the government with their very lives, AFTER those dealings, they don't trust the government too much.
For example, I do not trust the government to properly diagnose my autism or any other medical conditions (some of which they caused), and absolutely I do not trust them to issue the appropriate medicines (which they keep criminalized at the federal level). (And I also do not trust the ultra-rich <1% who basically own the government, and all of its decisions).
Without respect to security classifications, or what was seen, as a result of my experiences with the government, I want the ability to guarantee my own food and medicine security, WITHOUT having to ask Big Brother for permission to eat, or to get my medicine.
(Sorry if that seems tin foil, but without respect to "what has been seen", I like my position, and have no plans to change it.)
It's easy to get photoperiod feminized seed for very good CBD varieties.
Yes. And unless you are just growing in dirt with compost, it is usually cheaper and easier to use pre-feminized seeds, also.
It only gets cheaper to use regulars if you do things the old fashioned way (like they do things here).
From the phenos that are produced, you would be able to select the ones that grow well in your area. Then you could clone them. That's so much easier than dealing with growing males, collecting pollen, and pollinating.
Hmmm.... I am not real sure how I feel about cloning at the spiritual level.
And isn't the gel toxic?
For edibles it's not a big issue. But nobody wants to smoke seeds. Or have one wind up in the grinder. A seed here and there is one thing, but a lot of seeds in a bud is another issue altogether.
I understand.
But some people (and most ancient and natural medicinal systems) think that the seeds are the best and most nutritious part of the plant, both physically and spiritually (if you follow that kind of thing).
(I am sure not everyone agrees.)
Cannabis seeds are specifically named in Classical Chinese Medicine as having certain religious and spiritual values.
I can tell you right now that most of the worldwide growing community will frown on anyone who is releasing pollen into the environment. It's not a matter of personal preference, but a matter of not messing up other people's grows. Again, the pollen can travel for miles. If someone is trying to grow good bud, and some seeds show up from random pollen, usually those seeds are just a nuisance – nobody would want to grow them out. I mean, somebody who really doesn't care what kind of plant will grow might want to grow them.
Yes, well, that seems like a very good point. Thank you for mentioning that. It puts things in a different perspective, and we will have to think about that.
We just had a major clash with the neighbor lady last week. She thinks that it is 100% my problem how loud she wants to play her music, no matter what the community rules say (and the administrator is her friend, and ignores the rules for her). Even with earmuffs I could not get it quiet enough to think and work in my own house.
I suppose pollen could be considered in the same category, so I will have to do a serious re-think on that.
Thanks.
OK, so that was a yes to the complexity of growing auto regulars, selecting offspring, and breeding the selected males and females to produce another generation, etc.
Again, when I hear the word "adaptation," it makes me think of selecting offspring that do well in your area, your climate, and the other conditions of your grow (soil, lighting, etc.)
Hm. Well, maybe there is something I am not getting?
With tomatoes, you plant them, and then you take seeds from the best looking plants and the best looking fruits, and then over generations you end up with tomatoes that grow better in your area.
Is it wrong to think that this works the same way with cannabis?
Breeders also select for specific traits. Cannabis is very hardy. I don't think you even need to worry about moving them from inside to outside, in terms of the plants adjusting to the outdoor environment. If it's a lot colder outside, that could be an issue; however, remember that cannabis likes a particular temperature range, and if you're below or above that, they won't do very well. And, if the temperature is in that range, they should do OK.
"...plants in their vegetative stage prefer a temperature in a range from about 68 to about 77 degrees Fahrenheit. When they are flowering, cannabis plants like a range of about 65 to 85 degrees."
That is exactly what I am saying.
When it is "winter" where you are, it is the only time of year when the temperatures climb into the low 70s during the day.
When it is "summer" where you are, it is super cold here, and I want the lights on in the grow room just to take the edge off the cold in the house!
The rest of the year is not this warm.
Chemdawg isn't a CBD variety. But you could probably find seed for high-CBD versions of Chemdawg and Sour Diesel. Those would typically be called Chemdawg CBD and Sour Diesel CBD. Note however that those would typically be chemotype II, meaning they would also have significant amounts of THC.
I like THC also.
1:1 (and 2:1, and 4:1, and 8:1) historically works well for me.
The question is, how much distance is enough distance? Clearly, the chance of messing up someone else's grow diminishes greatly with distance...
"... experts recommend a minimum distance of 10 miles between outdoor cannabis fields. Research has shown that pollen can travel much further than 10 miles, but the amount of pollen transported decreases logarithmically with increasing distance from the source. Therefore, the risk of pollination should be negligible beyond ten miles from a pollen source."
TEN miles??????
Oy... (I was thinking like a half-mile...)
I might have to put the regulars back in the refrigerator drawer until we get moved to the property and get some isolation greenhouses built...
Probably the isolation greenhouses will need their own dehumidifiers???
Ten miles is huge. With a small number of males in your grow – or
one fertile male – it seems like you wouldn't need to worry beyond a 2-5 mile radius. Then again, "a single male flower can produce 350,000 pollen grains". If your male plant or plants were indoors (but not necessarily sealed from the outdoors), it's hard to see very much pollen escaping. Further, if your females that are going to be pollinated are also indoor, even less pollen would be reaching the outside world. Once pollination is successful, you can water the plants down and the area around them with water, to immobilize any remaining pollen.
each one of these little male flowers... 350,000 pollen grains
Oy....
I guess I will need to shelve the project until we get relocated, and can build isolation greenhouses for any males...
I don't know what you mean by adapt CBD to the local area.
Well, just like with the tomato analogy above.
W are in a high, cool, humid Andean valley. I do not think cannabis grows wild here, just because it is too cold for it to germinate reliably. And it seems to be growing fine right now, because it is the warm time of year.
THey say cannabis likes around 75-78F for germination, and it never reaches that temperature here, even on peak sunny days.
Here, in this warmer time of year, the daily high is around 71-73F.
Six months from now the daily high will be like 66-67F (and in the low 50's at night).
So I am accepting the fact that the girls will have to be started inside, and then moved outdoors.
There are a great number of CBD strains (chemotype III) out there, with feminized or regular seed available. There are also a great number of THC/CBD strains (chemotype II).
All you need to do is select a couple that you guess would be good given your climate, and then plant the seeds in the same pot size, same soil, same feeding, etc. And then select the ones that grow the best.
I don't know what your year round climate is like. Here in Hawaii we are in a daytime temperature range of high 60s F to about 85 F. The low rarely gets below say 68 F. The absolute lowest would be maybe 57 F, but that is very rare.
It is now about 71-73F for us here.
In six (more like 3 months), it will be maybe 67-68F daily highs.
The idea idea was simply to adapt the tomatoes and cannabis to the climate...
I can grow just about anything here, in terms of sativa or indica. I just select for the phenos that are the most vigorous. And then I'm also searching for phenos that have the best terpene profiles for bud rot and leaf mold resistance. That's my main concern – bud rot. After that, leaf mold.
Hmm...
And you do not see sativas as being more mold resistant, because of the airiness of the bud structure?
(Are you suggesting that sativa or indica makes no difference--but what matters is the terpenes?)
RE: outdoor light pollution as the reason for growing autos...
There are lots of mold resistant THC sativas. I have yet to encounter a solid sativa that's a chemotype III (high CBD, <1% THC). I grew Seedsman 30:1 CBD, and it definitely had some sativa effects, but it turned out to be susceptible to powdery mildew. One you might want to look into is Dinamed Plus, from Spain. It's a 10% CBD strain that has an outrageous terpene profile, which might very well be mold resistant.
@WillCall just showed us the lab test results for his Dinamed Plus pheno, here:
I just wrote them to inquire, and they said that they are still shut down.
>> "Dear customers, We are very sorry to inform you that
Dinafem Seeds are currently under judicial investigation. As a result, and against our will, we are now unable to engage in any commercial activity. We are working round the clock to clarify this situation in order to resume normal activity as soon as possible, but we still don’t know when we’ll be able to operate normally in the way we’ve done for the last 21 years. We’ll keep you informed of any developments. Thank you very much for your trust."
I don't know the answer to a question that I have about decarbing vs. vaporizing. For instance, CBDA has a boiling point of 120C while CBD has a boiling point of 180C. If fresh bud with CBDA is heated to 120C, does the CBDA vaporize? It should. But that is the temperature at which it is...
www.420magazine.com
Now the question is, is this pheno sativa dominant? I'd say the answer is
maybe sativa leaning, based on the crazy amount of pine terpenes: camphene, guaiol, alpha-pinene, and beta-pinene. I did a quick lookup and guaiol and beta-pinene are known as being stimulating or uplifting. This is a very special pheno from what I can tell, because those high amounts of camphene and guaiol are probably very rare. That's my educated guess.
I guess I will have to shelve the auto-regular process until I can build isolation greenhouses to contain the males.
Thanks for saying.
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