Caveat Emptor, Buyer Beware, Hydro Grow LED!

I wouldn't say he has the ONLY reputable LED light, dude, unless you are looking to become his spokesman! There are other options out there, GLH has a great product and is right up there with a couple of others, but because they don't advertise here I guess I'm not supposed to mention them. Okay, I will mention the one I am looking at blackdogled.com. Lets see how long that name stays.

Not a spokes person at all... Just a MED grower... Trust me I'm game DUDE, if the light works as good as I've seen with GLH then show me/us... Until then IMO it's all talk....

Of course there will be better LED lights out there on the market....The tech is only going to get better.....

I think you took what I said the wrong way..... It's all good....:grinjoint:


So I went and looked at blackdogled.com.... 360w LED, They claim replaces a 600w HPS... BD450 unit, they say replaces a 1000w HPS...

Don't get me wrong, lights look good.. But advertising claims like that I tend to stay away from... Cammie's web site makes these kind of claims...
 
Tags: LEDGirl, LED Girl, Hydro Grow LED, HYDRO-GRO, LLC,
Cammie Mckenzie, Cameron S. Wieldraayer, Cameron Scott Wieldraayer, Night Szevyn Racing, NIGHT7RACING


During the past year, "LED Girl" has made wild claims about her products that those of us with expertise in lighting recognize as complete bullshit. She aggressively demeans all who question her and she regularly disparages competitors. Whether "LED Girl" is ignorant of lighting and/or whether "LED Girl" is intentionally fraudulent has been debated at length. New evidence demonstrates a long history of both ignorance and fraud.

The products that she markets are easily imported from China and represent no improvement over products readily available from hundreds of other LED importers. The only difference is the aggressive marketing, lies, and arrogance.

Research reveals that the person calling herself "LED Girl" has a long history of advertising on internet forums and trolling, arguing, and fighting with forum members until she is banned from the website.

Research reveals that the person calling herself "LED Girl" has a history of setting up internet businesses with slick-looking websites, representing herself as the figurehead of a large business with employees, research and development capabilities, and extensive proprietary knowledge; but she actually works out of apartments, has no employees, hides behind answer machines, disappears with customers' money, and utilizes an endless supply of lies to avoid taking responsibility.

Research reveals that "LED Girl" actually has a long history of fraud and theft.

Research reveals that "LED Girl" is actually a 25 year old individual who has been involved in at least two other businesses that have engaged in fraud. Since his last scam was exposed, this individual has moved out of state (leaving two children behind), changed his name, changed his gender, and started another front, Hydro-Gro, LLC.

Check it out for yourself:

Who is "LED Girl"?

Hydro Grow LED website:
"Cammie Mckenzie,
President Hydro-Gro LLC"
Contact Information:
Hydro Grow
Palmdale, CA 93550
Phone: (707) 225-0490


HYDRO-GRO, LLC
UBI Number: 602872232
Category: REG
Profit/Nonprofit: Profit
Active/Inactive: Active
State of Incorporation: WA
WA Filing Date: 10/20/2008
Expiration Date: 10/31/2010
Agent Name: JUDITH LEE
Address: 1010 DIANE AVE
City: OAK HARBOR
State: WA
ZIP: 98277


Business Contact and Profile for Hydro-Gro LLC
Name: Hydro-Gro LLC
Phone: (360) 632-8585
Address: 15416 40th Ave W #B20
Lynnwood, WA 98087
Principal: Ms Cammie Mckenzie
Customer Contact: Ms Cammie Mckenzie - (360) 632-8585
Entity: Limited Liability Company
File Open Date: January 2010
Industry Classification: Lighting Plants
BBB Accreditation: Hydro-Gro LLC is not a BBB Accredited business.
The BBB has requested basic information from this company but has not received a response.


Who is Cammie Mckenzie?

"Cammie McKenzie grows marijuana to treat her chronic back problems."
"They believe McKenzie, 24, was using her medical marijuana authorization as a front for an illegal pot farm."
"Jurors were shown a photocopy of a driver's license with a picture of Cameron Scott Wieldraayer. That was the name of the defendant before she changed both her gender and her name. The detective identified the person in the driver's license photograph as McKenzie."


Who is Cameron Scott Wieldraayer?

"My name is Cameron S. Wieldraayer. I have been importing engines (frontclips or half cuts) into the United States for about 8 months. Due to some 
unfortunate events with my business partner, I am no longer able to receive engines from our old supplier, therefore I am looking for new suppliers who can meet my order quotas, provide good quality Japanese engines, do everything in a timely manner, have good prices, and most of all be a friend.
Company:
Night Szevyn Racing
Address:
8344 N. 67th Ave. #1033 Glendale Arizona 85302 USA"

Date of Birth:
April 5, 1985


Who is Night Szevyn Racing?

Night Szevyn Racing
Domain name: NIGHT7RACING.COM
Administrative Contact:
Wieldraayer, Cameron
1010 N. Diane Ave.
Oak Harbor, WA 98277
US
360-678-6327
360-672-2415


What do prior customers and associates of Cammie Mckenzie (aka Cameron Scott Wieldraayer, aka NightXCZ77) and Night Szevyn Racing have to say?

cooldill:
"heres my story...

"I ordered a RB25 front clip from cameron at night7racing. He is a really nice young guy starting a business so i decide to give him a chance. I pay 3750 bucks in full by bank transfer.. That was over 3 months ago, when he said it would take 4-6 weeks. When I called him about 4 weeks ago he told me that they made a mistake and sent me a RB20 instead so they had to recall the clip and it would take about 2 more weeks to get the RB25 that I ordered to me.. I try to give him the benefit of the doubt. For the past 2 weeks Ive been trying to contact this guy again, but he wont answer his phone, emails, or if he ever comes on AIM and i message him, he signs off.. Ive been waiting so damn long I want my money back and Im ordering from someone else.. What can I do to get my money back?

"Cameron if you read this, gimme a call and we can straighten things out."

Jayc:
I too have purchased a clip from Cameron and he gave my the same BS story that an RB20 clip was sent to me as well. Now Cameron can't be contacted at all. I hope it's because he is in jail.

Ctnewman:
Dude screwed over TONS of forum members out of a LOT of money.

fliprayzin240sx:
Damn...I remember that story. Fucker screwed over a bunch of folks in here, 240sx.org, and 240sxforum. Last thing I remember about the whole thing was that his business partner came in and tried to fix all the kids fuck up.

Iwannaslyde:
he needs te be raped by a hungry gorilla. fuck thief.

"does anyone know how I can get in contact with Cameron from Night7racing.com

"he still owes me a downpipe and testpipe.
it's been a while, so i was wondering if anyone could help with an email or relay this message to him."


89civic1.8T:
Anyone live near Suprise (Glendale) AZ? I have been scamed...
I ordered a clip from someone who was supose to be reputalbe in the Nissan community 4 months ago. It's been one promis after another that was never keeped. He would keep telling me it would be in this week....then next week and so on and so on. I am now out $3600! He used to live in Oak Harbor WA but now he moved to Suprise AZ.

If anyone local can locate his home address that would help me out big time!

I DON'T WANT TO HERE HOW STUPID I AM FOR SENDING THE MONEY SO PLEASE DON'T REPSOND TELLING ME HOW DUMB I AM.

Full name...
Cameron S. Wieldraayer
He is working at a local Gendale AZ Nissan dealer. Could anyone in that area track him down?


** WARNING ** CAMERON WIELDRAAYER ** AT IT AGAIN
xckid:
Wait so who is he?

Zydeco:
In short he riped alot of people off for a lot of money.

Notorious-Sky:
Well well well - so far in the last couple of days after registering with NICO I have gotten quite a bit of information. Now this name "Cameron" comes up in the wash.

Dont mean to open any old wounds, but I have had the unsavory experience of dealing with this ******* as well. If anyone has any information about how or where he can be contacted, I have an attorney just waiting to get his teeth into him. Mind you it's not about the money, I want this SOB put behind bars as theives like him deserve.

My R33 was obtained through Cameron, and while I did get a car, practically everything else he told me was a lie not to mention paying for things I have yet to receive, like my legalization done by him.

I have contacted the Texas Attorney General, and needless to say since I live in Texas, they are interested in his "business practices". I was very nieve when I bought this car several years ago, I have learned a lot since then. I have no one to blame for my experience except myself but now I want to do my part to ensure that this scumbag doesnt do this to anyone else. I will spend whatever it takes to see this fool go down, make no mistake about that!

Peace
Todster

Hannibal:
I cant believe that guy is still walking around. He should be in jai| for all the people he ripped off.

Oatmealman:
dear god old thread,but yes cameron should be put behind bars,any one now were he lives,i'd like to have a talk with him.

CrashGordon:
Con-artists make running a business soo dificult. I am happy to see people are going after him

musicsurfman:
Cameron Won't Ever Be A Legit Shop And I'll Make Sure Of It.... At Any Point In Time I Can Have Him Arrested For Fraud. I'm Waiting For Him To Make A Move.

musicsurfman:
Cameron Is A Fraudulent Salesman..... He Is Nice Till He Gets Your Money Then He Loses Your Number And Screen Your Phone Calls.

Mynismo:
he started off good..... and you know the rest of the story. bb reports, fbi wants him, passing off unlegalized skylines... he found out he could make a lot of money doing absolutely nothing but taking people's hard-earned money. he's SCUM.

RDM_II:
Another forum member on here paid for a motor from him, Cameron did the usual disapperaing act for awhile, but contacts were made in AZ and a nice, large man knocked on Cameron's door. The money was refunded that same day.

Bought a car off of artifact19 ebay, and his companies name is RJC trading out of Seatle WA.

If any one has heard of him...please let me know!, I can't get a response out of him now that he has my $ for the car....

nek0:
360-588-1211 is Anacortes area. Either he's using his cell phone number but chances are he lives up there somewhere.

crx_ef8:
thanks, I'v been calling him but no answer, the machine keep sayign somethin rjc trading please leave a msg.... is he scamming me?

89civic1.8T:
I would say chances are you are getting scamed. This RJC trading guy is tied in with Night7Racing who has $14K+ in our money for Skyline clips. RJC trading is 3 guys. Cameron is the C. The guy on the cell phone is J or R and there must be a third one. These guys are probaly 18-21 years old. I have Camerons partents # and I used ot have his # where he worked. The thing that sucks about this situation is the only way to contact them is with a cell phone.

Ripped off by RJC Trading/JDM Liquidators look here.

I guess this company out of WA is getting into it with the government now. I found this on 240SX forums, i'll just copy it over here so those who arent registered, dont have to to view it.

Negreac:
I recently recieved an e-mail from a Washington detective. They have opened a case concerning RJC Trading/JDM Liquidators. He is encouraging anyone who has been ripped off by this guy to come forward. Here's the e-mail I recieved.
-
I am Detective K. T. Ryan with the Anacortes Police Department in Washington State. I am currently investigating a case of EBAY fraud. My investigation shows that you bid on products listed by artifact19 or gargage_jdm. At one point in time this business was operating within the city limits of Anacortes Washington. At this point I now have approximately 10 victims as well as other victims in other nearby jurisdictions. I am attempting to locate as many victims as possible prior to completing my case.

I am aware that the people involved have used multiple Ebay user names. People who have had contact with me say that they have had email, personal and telephone contact with the following people: Dustin (Blouin), Rob(Carratello), Jose(Gonzalez or Gutierrez(he lives with Rob), Thomas (Vlahovich), Matt (Vollans). They have done business as D Speed, JDM Wholesalers, JDM Engines, RJC Trading, TWV Trading, just to name a few.

If you sent them money and received nothing, or received something (but not what you won on ebay) I would like to hear from you. If you have had correspondence with others who have also been taken advantage of I would like to hear from them as well. I can not guarantee that I can get your money back for you, but I would like to prevent others from also becoming victims. Even though the garage_jdm user name was shut down they have continued to sell on ebay under other names.

Detective K. T. Ryan
Anacortes Police Department
1218 24th St.
Anacortes, WA 98221
360-293-4684
360-293-1935 fax

MightyMouse:
If you have had any past transactions with the names listed below, where you did not receive the product you had purchased (ebay or our forums), or did in fact receive the product but were missing some items (ex Front clip, but missing ECU and wiring harnes or something like that), or received a different product (ex. ordered a blacktop, received a redtop), please contact me through PM. Those who do PM me will remain anonymous no names will be mentioned and I will forward your accounts to the detective.

Suspected sellers are:
Night, NightXCZ77, NightXCZ777 (all under the name Cameron Night)
or
JDM Motors (Rob Carratello)

If you were considering purchasing a Nissan Skyline from anyone that claims it is legal, please PM me as well, apparently they are importing whole cars Illegally and selling them off claiming they are Legal.

Fraktal:
His name is Cameron Wieldrayer (not sure if that is spelled correctly, but his last name is not Night).

Cameron Wieldraayer / NightXCZ77 / nannyw2 is back (again)

Turns out the seller is Cameron Wieldraayer. I refused to buy it since the car is illegal. Now he's threatening to sue me for breaking our "legally binding" ebay contract that according to him I "signed". :rolleyes:

I hope he does sue, because either
a) he'll make an ass of himself for trying to enforce a contract to buy an illegal car.
b) he'll when and set a president that the cars he sells are legal.

Sounds win-win to me. ;)

Just thought I'd warn any future buyers to beware the eBay seller nannyw2

CDeutsch:
is this the same mofo from Night Seven racing or whoever?

Yes. Although he claims he was just the figure head, it was some other guy who screwed everyone. :shakehead

nismo_power:
no no no no, he wasnt just the figure head, hes the one with all the lawsuits agains tthem.

CDeutsch:
I know he wasn't just the figured head, I was just pointing out he's a liar.

Anyone with legitimate Night7Racing related problems?

please anyone with current legitimate problems with night7racing or its owner Cameron please contact me

I'm trying to build a case against him. I will be persuing all legal routes as to end his business and fraudulent business practices. Please any help on the situation will speed this process along.

J_Spec_NiTeMaRe:
I've heard countless horror stories about night7...they're supposedly "reformed" now and don't rip people off "anymore." I'd never give them my money. Sean Morris owned the hell outta Cam on the AF Skyline forums, he proved what he was doing with importing Skylines is totally illegal. I wouldn't trust him.

tyndago:
Man I love this quote from Mr.Wieldraayer in the NICO forums.

"And Chris - you can't sue someone with no money to give you.....as I said, wait your turn, when I have the money, you'll be getting it no doubt. If I get sued without having any money, it only costs $200 to declare bankruptcy...which is something I really don't want to do...and you don't want it either because then no one gets a dime back. "

Is ANYONE going to keep listening to this LOSER LIAR , with a proven track record of lies , taking money and not delivering ?

JohnBNelson:
So far 8 people have joined this pending lawsuit agasint Mr. Wieldraayer. I realize this post is against the use policies of this web site but it is about time to stop this criminal. Private investigators have proven extensive fraud and local police enforcement officials are now getting involved.

For more information I have put up a web page on the subject. My name is John Nelson and you may call my cell if you have been conned at 973-725-9587. Visit that link for information on contacting Nick, the man leading the lawsuit.

MUSICSURFMAN:
I ALREADY TOOK IT A STEP FURTHER.... THERE ARE TWO OPEN INVESTIGATIONS IN THE US CUSTOMS, AND EL MIRAGE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND GLENDALE POLICE DEPARTMENTS. BUT OHH WELL I'M GLAD THE PEOPLE WHO LOST MORE THAN ME ARE FINALLY GOING TO BE GETTING JUSTIFIED.

**Warning ** Cameron Wieldraayer ** At it Again

slide240wayz:
I just do not want anyone to have yet another horrible experience.

RDM_II:
That guy has balls. A friend of mine paid for a clip from him and got the same run around, he sent a few of his people on the West Coast to meet up with Cameron, needless to say he got his money back.

cHuCkDizz:
Yeah, this guy is shady, ive talked to him several times through aol, and he's full of [censored], he has a bad rep in all of the nissan community, good find, ill post this on my local forum northwest nissans, thanks for the heads up.

CDeutsch:
I just won this eBay auction for a Skyline R32 GTR.
Turns out the seller is Cameron Wieldraayer. I refused to buy it since the car is illegal. Now he's threatening to sue me for breaking our "legally binding" ebay contract that according to him I "signed".

Just thought I'd warn any future buyers to beware the eBay seller nannyw2

Hello Everyone!

If any of you have been duped, or know of anyone who has been duped, by Night7 Motorsports (Cameron Wieldraayer) or any of their associates, consult these guys at this link....

Info about Cameron Wieldraayer and Night 7 [link now dead]
Info on Lawsuit filed [link now dead]

mB

89civic1.8T:
Me and 5 others have been scammed $25K from Search Results for "night7racing.com" and RJC trading

Thats right. I have posted my problem a few times before but after seeing the new SCC arttical that list him as their engine source we are all ready to take him down.
Here is some info on the guy
Cameron S Wieldraayer
phone # 360-672-2415 (cell phone that he never answers)
Old Address
1010 N Diane Ave
Oak Harbor,WA 98277

New address
8344 North 67th Ave
Apt 1033
Glenndale, AZ 85320

RJC trading is the company Cameron and his friend Rob started. They run out of Annacortes WA.
Address
2900 T Ave ST C
Anacortes WA 98221
Phone 360-661-4723 Another Dam Cell phone!
Here is our ongoing post about our problem on the NICO forums (over 12 pages)

89civic1.8T:
Now there is 7 of us. Going for the 30K mark.

Me and 5 others have been scammed $25K from Night7racing.com and RJC trading - Honda-Tech

Karma'sEvo:
there have been several cars confiscated in 2005 that were imported by both "MOTOREX" and "night7racing". These cars were confiscated from their owners, crushed, and they were told that if they wanted to be compensated they needed to sue the person they paid for it.... I feel bad for these people but really it is your own fault if you do not check into the laws yourself..

Motorex GT-R Importer(s) go to jail!!! Info inside!!! - Page 3 - evolutionm.net

atom:
Forums that censor people for that type of stuff fucking suck, period. Not to pick on NICO but I thought the admins there would have learned their lesson after they let that jagoff from Night 7 Racing trample over people. I also remember when one of their own mods scammed people and the admins there let that shit drag on as well.

Boost Designs is DONE! - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

What does Cammie Mckenzie (aka LED Girl, aka Cameron Scott Wieldraayer, aka NightXCZ77) have to say about being exposed as a FRAUD?

NightXCZ77:
Fact is, people have a right to know FACTS about other companies.









Night7Hunter
 
Wow! She really has been busy! I caught the Palmdale thing too, if I was "someone" I would put a notice on my web site that I was in no way associated with this vile individual!!!
 
I have to wonder if the sex change is even a scam! IMHO, it takes a pretty twisted mind to decide to cut your natural junk off and throw it in the garbage can, only to replace it some surgically attempted fraud that can not perform the way that the original designer intended and will certainly not supply the natural sensation that is desired! While I know that this guy is definitely twisted, is it just a coincidence that a gender change would be very helpful (at least for a while) in trying to escape lawsuits and legal prosecution? I know that it did not work in Washington (man charged, woman tried), but what about other jurisdictions. And if nothing else, that kind of a challenge could require several briefs to be filed with the court and would definitely delay things and give someone time to find another angle or even make their escape to parts unknown.

Twisted as he is, I think this guy is very cunning!
 
I wish i had read this thread before i went to the trade show in long beach this past weekend; if i'm not mistaken hydro grow led had a booth setup there; i'd have taken pictures of all of em if i'd have known... wonder if they'll be showing their collective faces in the future

nice site btw; might check it out a bit more... this thread brought me here as well

i actually got one of her 205w led lights in a promotion; good thing i used a safe addy
thing was supposed to replace a 600w and have no heat; lets just say that was far from the case and i never even bothered wasting my time and space flowering with the light after all the bs heat and space issues in veg; really who grows in a 2x2 space with a 700 dollar light? who?
 
Hi Night7Hunter,
I apologize that I did not acknowledge your great contribution sooner. I guess that I got swept away in the information and forgot my manners. Thanks a lot, great job! Obviously, you have an interest in all of this. Were you burned by this person? Looks like you have spent some time checking things out!
 
Hi opt1c,
I would love to see a picture of this person, of course you would have to see several to really know who or what you were looking at (before and after). Sorry that your stuck with that 205!

Yeah Stickythumbs, I had no idea that it was this big. I suspect that we are not done yet though, if this much showed up this quick I think that we will see a lot more as word spreads.

I just can’t believe that this guy is still on the loose. Seeing everything that I have read, I’m in disbelief that this guy is not in jail and that nobody has offed him. Especially since when people find him they send “Vinnie” to his front door to collect the debt (they should at least have broken his legs)! Maybe there should be a bounty on him? I would definitely kick in a few bucks!

And the really sad part is that law enforcement has not arrested him, but instead are assisting him in harassing people like myself! How many times have some of us been hauled to the crossbar hotel for some trivial BS that should not have been an issue in the first place, while guys like this are free to pillage the community for years? It really doesn’t make sense!
 
What is at stake here is not as much a product defect and poor customer service, she outed the OP to the police as a grower because he complained about the product. That is way below the belt and any weed site that would allow her banner is not one of us.

I must say RESPECTFULLY.If your not leagal and your posting and submiting pictures on any web sight you may as well just email directly to your local police department lol.And in any case any thing purchased such as stealth hydroponics CRAP mini 100 dallar wallmart storage container(all honesty it is a good buy for beginers looking to open the door to hydro)or any led light......the question is how do they know your using it for MJ unless u tell them?It would be no ones fault but your own.IDK.My self I keep all my records receipts warranty on shipping.
ANY ONE OUT THERE LOOKING FOR A GOOD LED I REALLY JUST RECOMEND PURCHASING A UNIT THAT OFFERS 90-120DAY TRIAL USE TO SEE IF YOU LIKE IT.THEY DO THIS.AND ALSO LOOK INTO THE WARRANTY AND STICK WITH KNOWN COMPANYS IN THE US OF A.IF NONE OF THESE ARE PRESENT THEN ODDS ARE YOUR GOING TO GET A POOR PRODUCT AND END UP WITH TRAFFIC LIGHTS.THESE LIGHTS ARE STILL NEW AND HAVE NOT BEEN PROVEN ENOUPH AND STILL HAVE SOME ADVANCMENTS TO GO BEFORE THEY REPLACE HPS.FROM WHAT I HEAR IN THE NEXT 5 YEARS THERE WILL BE NO MORE HPS AND MH GROW LIGHTING AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE.:blunt:
 
Heads up, caps lock is on.

Yes respectfully just trying to help others that seem to keep asking the same questions on led lights so I thought I would type it with my cap locks on.I have tested a few and edjucated my self till the brink of bordem.....Sucks this guy got riped off I noticed it beeing posted on other threads.It is his responcibility not to get riped off but I am not going to make my opinion we all get burned from time to time and those of us who do live and learn.Trust me Ive been burned my self.Wondering how he ows money normally you dont get refunded till they get there product back.No receipt or tracking info sounds a little fishy now that I think about it.But he is the one that would half to turn that around with facts and proof not just his word.I am not taking sides I am sure her product sucks most of the leds out there realy dont work but a handfull if that.I have not read the whole thing but in the end I hope it gets made right.A lot of people spend lots of money on these leds and a lot get riped off.......hints the cap locks and no I dont smoke?
 
Ow wow had to flip the pages back some.Yah sounds like old fassion rip off artist and computor sales scams..Come on guys you know better than that.I would also change all sales info your identity might be next they sell that info these days to.Happen to me not to long ago.Keep close eye on your bank stub even for the smallest amounts as they feel it out before they hit you good.
 
I purchased my first LED before finding Cammie ranting in OTHER people's blogs. I wrote her privately about her rudeness.

I had my own grow about TAG- True Aeroponic Growing Journal (different from a blog in that you can delete/edit other people's comments).

Cammie/LEDGirl was selling a pod (aero grow unit) that was in dire need of improvements. I offered my advice on how/where to get the parts. She sort of followed my lead, consequently, her results were poor. Get this, she came out and blasted me in her journal! My documented Journal, with a lot of photos, was quite good and visible to all. Seems her cam is out of balance. In fairness, she grows because she has medical issues. Maybe she is growing stuff that makes you paranoid and delusional.:tokin:

I am still searching for another LED. So far I like Advanced LED and Hydroponics Hut. Advanced is slightly more money, but seems to have more of the light spectrum covered. If true, that might eliminate the need for supplemental lighting. I would love to do a side-by-side of these 3 watt LEDs.
 
I must say RESPECTFULLY.If your not leagal and your posting and submiting pictures on any web sight you may as well just email directly to your local police department lol.And in any case any thing purchased such as stealth hydroponics CRAP mini 100 dallar wallmart storage container(all honesty it is a good buy for beginers looking to open the door to hydro)or any led light......the question is how do they know your using it for MJ unless u tell them?It would be no ones fault but your own.IDK.My self I keep all my records receipts warranty on shipping.
ANY ONE OUT THERE LOOKING FOR A GOOD LED I REALLY JUST RECOMEND PURCHASING A UNIT THAT OFFERS 90-120DAY TRIAL USE TO SEE IF YOU LIKE IT.THEY DO THIS.AND ALSO LOOK INTO THE WARRANTY AND STICK WITH KNOWN COMPANYS IN THE US OF A.IF NONE OF THESE ARE PRESENT THEN ODDS ARE YOUR GOING TO GET A POOR PRODUCT AND END UP WITH TRAFFIC LIGHTS.THESE LIGHTS ARE STILL NEW AND HAVE NOT BEEN PROVEN ENOUPH AND STILL HAVE SOME ADVANCMENTS TO GO BEFORE THEY REPLACE HPS.FROM WHAT I HEAR IN THE NEXT 5 YEARS THERE WILL BE NO MORE HPS AND MH GROW LIGHTING AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE.:blunt:


What you are saying is that because He posted a grow thread Cammie had the right and responsibility to call the police on him? So are you going to be calling the cops on people here yourself you don't like?
 
What you are saying is that because He posted a grow thread Cammie had the right and responsibility to call the police on him? So are you going to be calling the cops on people here yourself you don't like?

I agree - I don't think tuttle's post added much to the conversation. We are ALL illegal in the eyes of the Feds, and anyone who brings LEO into a business dispute deserves to be kicked out of our community. I hate to see the victim get blamed, especially when the victim in this case IS legal on the state level...

I hope folks will read this entire thread before commenting, and try to keep the comments on topic.

Thanks again to Jeb55 for this community service thread! :cheertwo:
 
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