G-Dog
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This is the first time I have seen Gypsy take a personal stance against LEDgirl.
I guess it took someone almost getting busted to do it.
I guess it took someone almost getting busted to do it.
Caveat Emptor, Buyer Beware, Hydro Grow LED!
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Gypsy Nirvana
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I do try not to be confrontational with entities on the internet.....we did lock LEDGirl's forum on my site a few months back due to constant bickering....and baiting by that entity.....
No canna site can really be held responsible for the conduct of an individual advertiser.....we do hope that who-ever advertises does so with a good degree of professionalism....and has a decent customer service.......and if not then we will just not re-new an advertising contract.....since we are contractually bound to honor it for the period initially specified...
*when ordering anything canna-grow related it is always prudent to have a safe address to do it thru....this can save you from alot of trouble/paranoia if things turn nasty as we see here in this thread.....luckily enough the threadstarter had a med-card and did not suffer under the draconian laws that surround cannabis elsewhere....
I'm looking into this website as well:
growcel.com
I like that the LEDs are upgradable, expandable. The site might not be the slickest, but there's free plans and it's all open source.
I won't be giving Cammie my business. I told her I wanted to light a space up to 24 plants (I believe that's the number I quoted) plus a small veg closet and she said I should have 11-12 lights for almost $5600. She also said she would give me a discount being a medical grower and a nonprofit status....but no amount of discount would make me happy after hearing this terrible story.
growcel.com
I like that the LEDs are upgradable, expandable. The site might not be the slickest, but there's free plans and it's all open source.
I won't be giving Cammie my business. I told her I wanted to light a space up to 24 plants (I believe that's the number I quoted) plus a small veg closet and she said I should have 11-12 lights for almost $5600. She also said she would give me a discount being a medical grower and a nonprofit status....but no amount of discount would make me happy after hearing this terrible story.
The Lurker
New Member
That's a tough decision. One must always weigh the impact of hoping the situation gets better with cutting your losses, pro-rating the vendor for the remaining time, and kicking them to the curb. Most advertising contracts have a 'we reserve the right to cancel for any and all reasons' clause on the virtual equity side to protect one's own ass (I hope your site does the same).
As it turns out, she was given most of the year on her contract to stir up trouble before finally given the boot. I'm registered there under a different nic, and even longtime DIYers like Weezard, knna, and the rest went underground (or basically left) after her shenanigans. Going into other LED threads and basically berating them for using other products.
I think it's just short of funny that some of the info I posted re: angle and intensity back in SS's thread now sits on her front page to greet her customers with. Almost makes me think I should try designing and marketing my own line...cut margins in half, and give people a great product at a reasonable price. No more crappy low-bin LEDs shoved into over-hyped panels.
If only I didn't prefer being relatively anonymous...
A lot of activity on PM over there between folks. Virtually no one liked her (except for a few shills), not the least of which were the Mods.
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I have to think the hormonal treatments just aren't cuttin' it. Still too much testosterone in that Woe-Man.
The Humanist in me can feel sorry for her, while still not condoning any of her apparent and subsequent behavior.
Oh, and thanks for supporting Prop 19. Your thread has more pages in it than Atlas Shrugged. Anti n' JJ still goin' strong, I see...did JackTheGrower lose his wings?
Make sure the Mods keep the clippers in their sheaths unless absolutely needed, from here on out. Too much pruning, and your plants won't be doing much flowering come harvest time - n'est ce pas?
Cheers,
-TL
P.S. And to think I asked Cammie to post some bud pics with her in a bikini.
(jk)
Squirrel Nut Zippers, indeed...
Gypsy Nirvana
New Member
Thanks for the kudo's The Lurker.....yeah let's all hope Prop 19 makes it.....yeah it's not exactly the best prop for everyone, but it's a start and the best chance to 'get the ball rolling towards global legalization' that I have seen in my life...
LEDGirl ended up costing my site (in time and effort, and possibly members) far more than the pittance our ex-webmaster negotiated with her to pay for a years banner and forum which had to be locked anyway a few months back due to his/her unsavory manner....
...lesson learned here.....but hard to quantify exactly how a new advertiser will behave.....
LEDGirl ended up costing my site (in time and effort, and possibly members) far more than the pittance our ex-webmaster negotiated with her to pay for a years banner and forum which had to be locked anyway a few months back due to his/her unsavory manner....
...lesson learned here.....but hard to quantify exactly how a new advertiser will behave.....
420
Founder
We also sold her a year up front and had to anxiously watch the clock run out for the last 9 months, waiting for the ads to expire so we could pull his/her ads.
This experience forced us to develop a "Sponsorship Agreement" that we now have all new sponsors sign.
Have not had to use it yet, however it is there in case of emergencies like this.
You may want to develop something similar to protect you from this in the future.
This experience forced us to develop a "Sponsorship Agreement" that we now have all new sponsors sign.
Have not had to use it yet, however it is there in case of emergencies like this.
You may want to develop something similar to protect you from this in the future.
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- #47
Ironically, when Cammie first started sending me the nasty e-mails, as I read them I would think to myself, this chick really has some balls! Little did I know…
“I have to think the hormonal treatments just aren't cuttin' it. Still too much testosterone in that Woe-Man.”
Lurker, when I read that I just howled, I was going to bed but now I’m too wound up!
Honestly though, when I read that article things made a lot more sense to me. As I have dealt with Cammie, I have asked myself; why is this person so angry all of the time, why does this person’s thinking process seem so screwed up? Just like her reasoning for this whole dispute, UPS lost her light and I suddenly became a thief. What kind of reasoning is that? I can understand that she was mad, but a more normal response might have been to say that I was stupid because I didn’t insure her light and demand that I pay for my stupidity. It wouldn’t have mattered; I still would not have paid because an insurance requirement is not in her company policy. But when UPS clearly lost the light and reimbursed her for $100.00 for that light, then there is no possible way that a healthy mind could make a theft connection!
This kind of person must have to deal with a tremendous amount of conflict within themselves on a continuing basis. And as Lurker mentioned, the hormone treatments, and I would suspect that they are accompanied by tremendous mood swings. And if the medical card (two car wrecks) is legit, then there would also be pain issues that tend toward a grumpy disposition.
While I might be sympathetic for some of the above conditions, we all still have a moral compass. Cammie’s compass is broken!
“I have to think the hormonal treatments just aren't cuttin' it. Still too much testosterone in that Woe-Man.”
Lurker, when I read that I just howled, I was going to bed but now I’m too wound up!
Honestly though, when I read that article things made a lot more sense to me. As I have dealt with Cammie, I have asked myself; why is this person so angry all of the time, why does this person’s thinking process seem so screwed up? Just like her reasoning for this whole dispute, UPS lost her light and I suddenly became a thief. What kind of reasoning is that? I can understand that she was mad, but a more normal response might have been to say that I was stupid because I didn’t insure her light and demand that I pay for my stupidity. It wouldn’t have mattered; I still would not have paid because an insurance requirement is not in her company policy. But when UPS clearly lost the light and reimbursed her for $100.00 for that light, then there is no possible way that a healthy mind could make a theft connection!
This kind of person must have to deal with a tremendous amount of conflict within themselves on a continuing basis. And as Lurker mentioned, the hormone treatments, and I would suspect that they are accompanied by tremendous mood swings. And if the medical card (two car wrecks) is legit, then there would also be pain issues that tend toward a grumpy disposition.
While I might be sympathetic for some of the above conditions, we all still have a moral compass. Cammie’s compass is broken!
Gypsy Nirvana
New Member
Yes....already working on it as you posted, since it seems to be the most logical way to prevent this sort of thing happening in the future....
...might save me a bit of time if I could refer to the one you have already got going on here...lol
...anyway thanks for the feedback, nice site....first time I realized it was here due to this awkward situation....
lbezphil2005
New Member
Jeb55 I'm sorry to here about the experiences you had with cammie... Wile I was following Irish Boys LED treads I learned all about HER and her sales tactics.. Not to cool...
I hope alot of peeps on this site see your tread.. Good job lookin' out bro..
At this current point and time... Mike at GLH has the only reputable LED light for our MED needs.. It's being tested in the consumer reports section of 420 mag... If you haven't stopped by that part of the site I would suggest doing so before making any LED purchases..
There is some good LED demos going on over there...
Of course you know Irish Boy is in a league of his own when it comes to LED demo's...
Just so everone knows I own one of Mikes 300w units.. Yes it took a few weeks to arrive... But worth everyday I waited...
I wouldn't say he has the ONLY reputable LED light, dude, unless you are looking to become his spokesman! There are other options out there, GLH has a great product and is right up there with a couple of others, but because they don't advertise here I guess I'm not supposed to mention them. Okay, I will mention the one I am looking at blackdogled.com. Lets see how long that name stays.
lbezphil2005
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Dude, that is some effed up stuff, man. All you folks from the great northwest need to stand up and do the right thing!! Everyone who reads this post needs to sour the local papers for anything on that person, go to the court date and let everyone know they are a snitch!!
Tyrone Hamilton
New Member
It's ok to mention a non-sponsor as long as you aren't promoting them. Only sponsors can be linked to
Thanks to all for keeping this thread civil
Thanks to all for keeping this thread civil
G-Dog
New Member
The Mods on his site are total loose cannons and ban people for the slightest offense. A lot of really good contributors have been banned. JJ is the worst nazi I have ever seen.
Tyrone Hamilton
New Member
I definitely understand where you are coming from - there's a reason this site is the best one on the planet, and it starts with the Mods, specifically Soniq420 - I've had the pleasure of being a Mod along side him before family obilgations made me give it up... so I know of what I speak...
It might be best though not to talk too much about the negative energy elsewhere... keep the drama there and grow weed here!
Gypsy Nirvana
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Keep the thread on topic G-Dog....this thread is not about me.....or my site, if you have not yet realized...
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While digging this morning, I found the conclusion of Cammie’s court case. I have very mixed emotions about the out come and conclusions. While it is good that it was a victory for medical marijuana, I see several things that are wrong.
Understanding a little bit about how Cammie operates, and her apparent love for money (or her need for cosmetic surgery funds) and the amount of weed that she grows, I have no problem believing that someone in that house was selling illegal drugs. Prosecutors won’t waste their time bringing a case to trial that they think they can’t win. I think that there were too many seedy characters involved and too many deals were cut to get a testimony! When they cut deals with known criminals it tends to make jurors skeptical. If you are operating a medical grow and are truly up for the cause, why would you have a known drug dealer living in your house and being involved in a legitimate medical growing operation. That’s very irresponsible and it harms the cause!
I also think that the jury in this case was stacked so to speak. You can tell by the comments from the gallery that the medical issue caused Cammie to have a lot of support. The focus seemed to be the medical issue and not the actual person on trial. The fact that the gallery complained that they thought that the gender issue was a dirty trick by the prosecutor said a lot to me. The way I read it, it was Cammie’s attorney that brought the gender issue into play by asking for a dismissal because of the identity issue. The man on the drivers license and the woman in the defendants chair.
While I know that it is good when we win a medical issue, I would call this a dirty win! There are also comments from the gallery that Cammie and her significant other were pillars of the community and the most wonderful and kind people that are loved by all, but then admit that they did not know Cammie and had only met her at the trial when everybody came out to support her. These supposed piers obviously do not know Cammie and her mode of operation! What a shame!!
Victory In Washington: Jury Finds Medical Marijuana Patient Not Guilty
By Steve Elliott in Legislation, Medical, News Thursday, Feb. 18 2010 @ 6:09PM
Washington state jurors took less than two hours Thursday afternoon to find Cammie McKenzie, who grows marijuana to treat her chronic back pain, not guilty of all charges in a case where prosecutors tried to portray her as a drug dealer.
The prosecution's unsuccessful case was notably nasty, even for a medical marijuana arrest in a state where some law enforcement officials have been slow to adjust to the legalization of medicinal cannabis passed by voters in 1998.
"This case is not about medicine. This case is about money," Snohomish County Deputy Prosecutor Matthew Baldock said in his opening statements Tuesday. "The defendant was masquerading as a marijuana patient and was in reality a drug dealer, no question."
One can only imagine the incensed reaction of Snohomish County's good voters when they realize their scarce tax dollars are being wasted on foolishness like this.
Prosecutors and narcotics detectives claimed McKenzie, 24, was using her medical marijuana authorization as a front for an illegal pot farm at her home in Bothell, Washington, reports Diana Hefley of the Everett Herald Net.
McKenzie said that prosecutors based their case on the word of her former roommate, a "known drug dealer" who was promised he wouldn't be prosecuted if he testified against McKenzie.
Jurors ultimately didn't buy the prosecution's claims and declared McKenzie not guilty of manufacturing marijuana, which is a felony.
Jurors found that McKenzie had a valid medical reason and authorization to grow and use marijuana. The jury said they also believed that the 65 plants found in McKenzie's home didn't exceed Washington's 60-day supply guideline.
Baldock called two witnesses, both detectives with the Bellevue-based Eastside Narcotics Task Force in his case against McKenzie.
Defense attorney Natalie Tarantino asked the judge to throw out the charge against McKenzie due to a lack of evidence, including the state's failure to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that her client is, in fact, the person charged with the crime.
Superior Court Judge George Appel denied that motion, instead allowing Baldock to bring a detective back on the stand to testify to the defendant's identity.
Jurors were shown a copy of a driver's license picturing Cameron Scott Wieldraayer. That was the defendant's name before she changed her gender and her name. The detective identified the person on the driver's license as McKenzie.
McKenzie herself took the stand Wednesday, testifying at length about marijuana growing methods. She currently runs an Internet business selling growing equipment.
The defendant explained how medical marijuana alleviates her symptoms. Marijuana "stops the brain from acknowledging the pain," allowing her to function, she said.
McKenzie told jurors she consumes up to a quarter-ounce a day. She adamantly denied that she was selling marijuana or using her grow operation to make a profit.
Medical marijuana advocates who sat through the three-day trial clapped and cheered after the verdict was read.
This story was followed by these comments:
GypsyB said:
I sat through the trial as did Dr. Gill, Mary and Don, Cammies support and a few others. We all were hoping the CHEAP SHOT the prosecution took in mentioning the sex change wouldn't go so far as the MMJ community and that we would be wise enough to rise above it as that fact had no bearing on the case its self. Unfortunately I see you chose to re-post this information that a local newspaper, known for trying to put down marijuana in general and all of our efforts to win this battle, rather than wait for one of our own more MJ friendly reports to be posted. All I can say is shame on you.
The court was a stressfull time. The informant that testified ended up admitting that he had obtained the MJ that they'd found in the kitchen at the time of the raid, that the plants weren't ready for harvest that they had, and that they didn't even have close to the allowed 24 oz that was on their med mj paperwork. He admitted he was a dealer in the past before they'd met. Cammie was the one insisting before he move into the house with her, that if he grew he needed to be seen for his medical condition and be LEGAL. She worked VERY hard, harder than anyone I've seen in the community, to make sure she only had the legal amount growing in a tiered harvest, so she would no longer have to deal with a dealer for her medicine. It was a true tradgedy that she was ever put in this position and I hope the county has to re-imburse her for the equipment they ruined when they cut the cords to her grow lights! Mind you SHE was gone when all of this happened at her house. The county plaid lets make a deal with the real dealer and let him and another person of interest go in this case, with immunity!
Posted 02/18/2010 at 07:09:36 PM
Kaylea said:
I personally didn't even pay much attention to the gender change sentence. If you hadn't brought it up I wouldn't have commented.
Steve's report on the whole is welcome. Glad to know that the jury didn't buy into the prosecution portrayal. Will look forward to reading your post which I am sure Steve would be glad to include in his blog. The whole case should have been dropped long ago. Even the snitch should never have been put into the position they were in. As always my advise is never take a plea. Get a good lawyer and hope someone on the jury knows about jury nullification.
Posted 02/18/2010 at 09
02 PM
marymack said:
Yea for the Jury. My next door neighbor killed her/himself two years ago. It is difficult enough to become another sex, much less to have idiots like us, who will never standover the pain involved, comment negatively. There is nothing wrong with becoming another sex. There is nothing wrong with commenting on it.
It's how YOU read it Gypsy B. WE do not read it the way you do, those of us who see both sides. AZ4NORML Tucson
Posted 02/19/2010 at 12:56:59 AM
Ted Smith said:
Gypsy, the Herald was right to report on the gender change because it was presented in open court. Reporting this part of the story reveals that Asst. Prosecuting Attorney Baldock was trying to prejudice the jury. Baldock should properly be censured. Unfortunately, the WA State Bar has a policy against disciplining public attorneys so there is no recourse there.
Based on this case, I will not vote to return the current Sno. County Prosecutor to office.
Posted 02/19/2010 at 04:52:54 PM
Mary McDermott said:
I was one of the patients there to support Cammie. I had never met her before. There was 5 or 6 of us there every day. I think we made a positive effect on the jury -- they knew we were watching, but I also think most of them were friendly to our cause. The cops came off as very mentally slow and bad with their math and the prosecutor was sleazy. Cammie was out of state when the roommate got arrested and was never even questioned by the cops -- just charged, even tho they had the dealer's own admission. None of the gender issue had anything to do with the case -- like Ted said, I think he made himself look bad trying to prejudice the jury against her. She was very upset about it, as she has been harassed before and doesn't want it to negatively affect her business. Gypsy was only trying to be protective of a young lady we came to be friends with over the last few days. Because Cammie admitted to giving some other medical patients clones, they drew up this whole scenario (on an easel) where she could maybe have 12 other grow houses - I guess the other patients would be turning over all the profits to her -- and she had a 5.3 mil business going on. All in the fervent fantasies of the Prosecutor - who btw is dedicated to the "drug task force". I doubt he's smart enough to prosecute real criminals.
Anyway, I think the jury realized that patients have had to help each other to obtain our medicine and clones to start growing. During jury selection there were several who questioned the law and many shaking their heads when they realized what a catch 22 the law is.
Cammie and her wife are absolutely charming, generous and compassionate people and I am glad to have known them. They had been helping some elderly patients, but can no longer take that chance because of these sickening ideologues.
Posted 02/19/2010 at 09
55 PM
Understanding a little bit about how Cammie operates, and her apparent love for money (or her need for cosmetic surgery funds) and the amount of weed that she grows, I have no problem believing that someone in that house was selling illegal drugs. Prosecutors won’t waste their time bringing a case to trial that they think they can’t win. I think that there were too many seedy characters involved and too many deals were cut to get a testimony! When they cut deals with known criminals it tends to make jurors skeptical. If you are operating a medical grow and are truly up for the cause, why would you have a known drug dealer living in your house and being involved in a legitimate medical growing operation. That’s very irresponsible and it harms the cause!
I also think that the jury in this case was stacked so to speak. You can tell by the comments from the gallery that the medical issue caused Cammie to have a lot of support. The focus seemed to be the medical issue and not the actual person on trial. The fact that the gallery complained that they thought that the gender issue was a dirty trick by the prosecutor said a lot to me. The way I read it, it was Cammie’s attorney that brought the gender issue into play by asking for a dismissal because of the identity issue. The man on the drivers license and the woman in the defendants chair.
While I know that it is good when we win a medical issue, I would call this a dirty win! There are also comments from the gallery that Cammie and her significant other were pillars of the community and the most wonderful and kind people that are loved by all, but then admit that they did not know Cammie and had only met her at the trial when everybody came out to support her. These supposed piers obviously do not know Cammie and her mode of operation! What a shame!!
Victory In Washington: Jury Finds Medical Marijuana Patient Not Guilty
By Steve Elliott in Legislation, Medical, News Thursday, Feb. 18 2010 @ 6:09PM
Washington state jurors took less than two hours Thursday afternoon to find Cammie McKenzie, who grows marijuana to treat her chronic back pain, not guilty of all charges in a case where prosecutors tried to portray her as a drug dealer.
The prosecution's unsuccessful case was notably nasty, even for a medical marijuana arrest in a state where some law enforcement officials have been slow to adjust to the legalization of medicinal cannabis passed by voters in 1998.
"This case is not about medicine. This case is about money," Snohomish County Deputy Prosecutor Matthew Baldock said in his opening statements Tuesday. "The defendant was masquerading as a marijuana patient and was in reality a drug dealer, no question."
One can only imagine the incensed reaction of Snohomish County's good voters when they realize their scarce tax dollars are being wasted on foolishness like this.
Prosecutors and narcotics detectives claimed McKenzie, 24, was using her medical marijuana authorization as a front for an illegal pot farm at her home in Bothell, Washington, reports Diana Hefley of the Everett Herald Net.
McKenzie said that prosecutors based their case on the word of her former roommate, a "known drug dealer" who was promised he wouldn't be prosecuted if he testified against McKenzie.
Jurors ultimately didn't buy the prosecution's claims and declared McKenzie not guilty of manufacturing marijuana, which is a felony.
Jurors found that McKenzie had a valid medical reason and authorization to grow and use marijuana. The jury said they also believed that the 65 plants found in McKenzie's home didn't exceed Washington's 60-day supply guideline.
Baldock called two witnesses, both detectives with the Bellevue-based Eastside Narcotics Task Force in his case against McKenzie.
Defense attorney Natalie Tarantino asked the judge to throw out the charge against McKenzie due to a lack of evidence, including the state's failure to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that her client is, in fact, the person charged with the crime.
Superior Court Judge George Appel denied that motion, instead allowing Baldock to bring a detective back on the stand to testify to the defendant's identity.
Jurors were shown a copy of a driver's license picturing Cameron Scott Wieldraayer. That was the defendant's name before she changed her gender and her name. The detective identified the person on the driver's license as McKenzie.
McKenzie herself took the stand Wednesday, testifying at length about marijuana growing methods. She currently runs an Internet business selling growing equipment.
The defendant explained how medical marijuana alleviates her symptoms. Marijuana "stops the brain from acknowledging the pain," allowing her to function, she said.
McKenzie told jurors she consumes up to a quarter-ounce a day. She adamantly denied that she was selling marijuana or using her grow operation to make a profit.
Medical marijuana advocates who sat through the three-day trial clapped and cheered after the verdict was read.
This story was followed by these comments:
GypsyB said:
I sat through the trial as did Dr. Gill, Mary and Don, Cammies support and a few others. We all were hoping the CHEAP SHOT the prosecution took in mentioning the sex change wouldn't go so far as the MMJ community and that we would be wise enough to rise above it as that fact had no bearing on the case its self. Unfortunately I see you chose to re-post this information that a local newspaper, known for trying to put down marijuana in general and all of our efforts to win this battle, rather than wait for one of our own more MJ friendly reports to be posted. All I can say is shame on you.
The court was a stressfull time. The informant that testified ended up admitting that he had obtained the MJ that they'd found in the kitchen at the time of the raid, that the plants weren't ready for harvest that they had, and that they didn't even have close to the allowed 24 oz that was on their med mj paperwork. He admitted he was a dealer in the past before they'd met. Cammie was the one insisting before he move into the house with her, that if he grew he needed to be seen for his medical condition and be LEGAL. She worked VERY hard, harder than anyone I've seen in the community, to make sure she only had the legal amount growing in a tiered harvest, so she would no longer have to deal with a dealer for her medicine. It was a true tradgedy that she was ever put in this position and I hope the county has to re-imburse her for the equipment they ruined when they cut the cords to her grow lights! Mind you SHE was gone when all of this happened at her house. The county plaid lets make a deal with the real dealer and let him and another person of interest go in this case, with immunity!
Posted 02/18/2010 at 07:09:36 PM
Kaylea said:
I personally didn't even pay much attention to the gender change sentence. If you hadn't brought it up I wouldn't have commented.
Steve's report on the whole is welcome. Glad to know that the jury didn't buy into the prosecution portrayal. Will look forward to reading your post which I am sure Steve would be glad to include in his blog. The whole case should have been dropped long ago. Even the snitch should never have been put into the position they were in. As always my advise is never take a plea. Get a good lawyer and hope someone on the jury knows about jury nullification.
Posted 02/18/2010 at 09
02 PMmarymack said:
Yea for the Jury. My next door neighbor killed her/himself two years ago. It is difficult enough to become another sex, much less to have idiots like us, who will never standover the pain involved, comment negatively. There is nothing wrong with becoming another sex. There is nothing wrong with commenting on it.
It's how YOU read it Gypsy B. WE do not read it the way you do, those of us who see both sides. AZ4NORML Tucson
Posted 02/19/2010 at 12:56:59 AM
Ted Smith said:
Gypsy, the Herald was right to report on the gender change because it was presented in open court. Reporting this part of the story reveals that Asst. Prosecuting Attorney Baldock was trying to prejudice the jury. Baldock should properly be censured. Unfortunately, the WA State Bar has a policy against disciplining public attorneys so there is no recourse there.
Based on this case, I will not vote to return the current Sno. County Prosecutor to office.
Posted 02/19/2010 at 04:52:54 PM
Mary McDermott said:
I was one of the patients there to support Cammie. I had never met her before. There was 5 or 6 of us there every day. I think we made a positive effect on the jury -- they knew we were watching, but I also think most of them were friendly to our cause. The cops came off as very mentally slow and bad with their math and the prosecutor was sleazy. Cammie was out of state when the roommate got arrested and was never even questioned by the cops -- just charged, even tho they had the dealer's own admission. None of the gender issue had anything to do with the case -- like Ted said, I think he made himself look bad trying to prejudice the jury against her. She was very upset about it, as she has been harassed before and doesn't want it to negatively affect her business. Gypsy was only trying to be protective of a young lady we came to be friends with over the last few days. Because Cammie admitted to giving some other medical patients clones, they drew up this whole scenario (on an easel) where she could maybe have 12 other grow houses - I guess the other patients would be turning over all the profits to her -- and she had a 5.3 mil business going on. All in the fervent fantasies of the Prosecutor - who btw is dedicated to the "drug task force". I doubt he's smart enough to prosecute real criminals.
Anyway, I think the jury realized that patients have had to help each other to obtain our medicine and clones to start growing. During jury selection there were several who questioned the law and many shaking their heads when they realized what a catch 22 the law is.
Cammie and her wife are absolutely charming, generous and compassionate people and I am glad to have known them. They had been helping some elderly patients, but can no longer take that chance because of these sickening ideologues.
Posted 02/19/2010 at 09
55 PM
G-Dog
New Member
You never win when they raid your home. There are losses you cannot recover from, legal fees and losses of time and product. It probably had some bearing on her attitude towards her clients when things didn't go well. No matter what, we have to do what it right no matter what is happening in our lives. A true sign of character is revealed when facing adversity.
gntlmn frmr
New Member
I'm considering buying from Advanced hydroponics Canada,; Prices look good, and I've emailed Ken the owner with questions and have gotten prompt and concise responses. Still, any info anyone has would be appreciated.
Tyrone Hamilton
New Member
^^ or when dealing with money...
I was an LED skeptic, and there still are lights out there that deserve suspicion... but Mike at GLH seems to do things the right way, both with light design and sales. I'm sure there's another... but I'd hope people would support his business as he's been great to the members here.
I'm sticking with my vertical CMH for now though...
This was passed to a large group of us on another forum, unbelievable.. Sorry this shit happened but I am glad people are speaking up to let the others know!