CaptainLucky's First Indoor Golden Tiger Grow 2023

[InTheShed]

he just doesn’t like to be challenged (at least by me, I don’t care honestly, I sleep well at night even if he chose not to engage with me).

I don't know what your challenge was or why you felt like I needed to be challenged. You weren't even discussing the effect feeding only water at the end of a synthetic grow. Am I somehow obligated to discuss organic and synthetic grows with you and cowardly if I don't?

One thing is helping others, proposing new ways to solve an issue. Another thing is basically getting everyone growing like yourself.

Can you find a single instance of me trying to convince an LOS grower to switch to synthetics? If I mention adding a salt-based nute to an LOS grow it's because the grower is having an issue with the way the LOS is performing. My philosophy there is not to sacrifice the plant on the alter of the grow method.

Please don't treat me like I am some self-proclaimed expert that needs to be taken down a peg. Like many others here, I offer my thoughts to help out the growers I sub to whenever I can, organic and synthetic alike.

 

[Sparkey224]

I don't know what your challenge was or why you felt like I needed to be challenged. You weren't even discussing the effect feeding only water at the end of a synthetic grow. Am I somehow obligated to discuss organic and synthetic grows with you and cowardly if I don't?

Can you find a single instance of me trying to convince an LOS grower to switch to synthetics? If I mention adding a salt-based nute to an LOS grow it's because the grower is having an issue with the way the LOS is performing. My philosophy there is not to sacrifice the plant on the alter of the grow method.

Please don't treat me like I am some self-proclaimed expert that needs to be taken down a peg. Like many others here, I offer my thoughts to help out the growers I sub to whenever I can, organic and synthetic alike.

We are all some passionate MFs here..lol..that's number one but Shed I'm still water only last 2 weeks..
Just think folks need to pay more attention to the plants..we all talk about mediums, nutrients, flushing.. if you listen to her she will tell you.. without being online you looking shit up on Dr. Andrew botany experiment..
Did you guys ever see how our Government grown weed g13 in Mississippi? A lot of smart scientists but the flowers look like donkey dick..
Just experiment, say many ways to get the job done correctly.

 

[InTheShed]

We are all some passionate MFs here..lol..that's number one but Shed I'm still water only last 2 weeks..
Just think folks need to pay more attention to the plants..we all talk about mediums, nutrients, flushing.. if you listen to her she will tell you.. without being online you looking shit up on Dr. Andrew botany experiment..
Did you guys ever see how our Government grown weed g13 in Mississippi? A lot of smart scientists but the flowers look like donkey dick..
Just experiment, say many ways to get the job done correctly.

Like I've said over and over, you should grow however suits your style! I just think that folks should know the science (rather than the bro-science) and then make up their own minds...just like you!

 

[gwhunran]

You're welcome to look at mine. Acapulco Gold. 2nd day of lightly PH downed tap water. Ooops, haven't posted bud pictures today but will later.

I've never waited two weeks to harvest once I've put them on water.
Usually four or five days.
I don't start till I think they are finished.

I've finished with straight water and I've harvested from a "Ripen" reservoir.
I can't say that it tasted better or worse because because I would have to have many repeat controlled test to really say and then a taste test would be subjective.

I can say I've never seen it hurt the buds. They look good either way.
I couldn't tell the difference between a $100 bottle wine and a $10 bottle in the 1980s. Probably cost $300 bottle now.
All are welcome to let me know if they see any negative effect from a no nute finish on the Acapulco Gold.

 

[InTheShed]

I can say I've never seen it hurt the buds. They look good either way. All are welcome to let me know if they see any negative effect from a no nute finish on the Acapulco Gold.

The science didn't show a decrease in harvest weight (can't recall if they did terpene tests), so there doesn't seem to be a downside to going water-only at the end of the grow. If you're running out of nutes it's probably recommended! The only thing that was proved was that no "nutes" were removed from the flowers because of it, so the taste of the buds wasn't cleared of "nute taste" by going water-only. Even the subjective taste-tests in the video link I posted above didn't find a difference, backing up the lab tests.

Also, it's sometimes tough to know when you're the "recommended" two-weeks out from harvest, so if your plants need longer to finish then you might be losing something there. Certainly not in 4 or 5 days!

 

[Sparkey224]

Like I've said over and over, you should grow however suits your style! I just think that folks should know the science (rather than the bro-science) and then make up their own minds...just like you!

That's funny Shed. But you are 100% right on bro science with me. Imo, if that means me reading the plants instead of putting them on your schedule.
My plants tell me their schedule, I'm not on their schedule brother and once you figure that out you bust out some prime flower.

All these nutrient companies want to sell you more nutrients..big pockets to post things for growers to read..

Last thing Shed, you call out Dani for being condescending but it's ok calling me out on bro science..
If you want to compare flowers without a popularity contest, let's go bro.. any day my friend

 

[KeithLemon]

You're welcome to look at mine. Acapulco Gold. 2nd day of lightly PH downed tap water. Ooops, haven't posted bud pictures today but will later.

I've never waited two weeks to harvest once I've put them on water.
Usually four or five days.
I don't start till I think they are finished.

I've finished with straight water and I've harvested from a "Ripen" reservoir.
I can't say that it tasted better or worse because because I would have to have many repeat controlled test to really say and then a taste test would be subjective.

I can say I've never seen it hurt the buds. They look good either way.
I couldn't tell the difference between a $100 bottle wine and a $10 bottle in the 1980s. Probably cost $300 bottle now.
All are welcome to let me know if they see any negative effect from a no nute finish on the Acapulco Gold.

I would have to try some to be honest.

 

[Roy Growin]

The science didn't show a decrease in harvest weight (can't recall if they did terpene tests), so there doesn't seem to be a downside to going water-only at the end of the grow. If you're running out of nutes it's probably recommended! The only thing that was proved was that no "nutes" were removed from the flowers because of it, so the taste of the buds wasn't cleared of "nute taste" by going water-only. Even the subjective taste-tests in the video link I posted above didn't find a difference, backing up the lab tests.

Also, it's sometimes tough to know when you're the "recommended" two-weeks out from harvest, so if your plants need longer to finish then you might be losing something there. Certainly not in 4 or 5 days!

Hey Shed - thing is, the plant has stopped growing by the time the trichomes are developing/maturing, no?

*edit* I'm not even sure who's disagreeing about what here, sorry

 

[InTheShed]

Last thing Shed, you call out Dani for being condescending but it's ok calling me out on bro science..
If you want to compare flowers without a popularity contest, let's go bro.. any day my friend

One's a personal attack GG. I would never attack you personally on anything you do, think, feel, believe, or post. You can say that your flushed harvest is better than your unflushed and I believe you. I was just pointing out that folks pushing water only to remove excess nutes from the flowers is bro-science, as in touted by folks as fact without ever doing the actual science.

Hey Shed - thing is, the plant has stopped growing by the time the trichomes are developing/maturing, no?

I guess that depends on how you define growing! Some folks swear their flowers are bulking during that period and some feel like they're just waiting for the trichs to mature. Like I said, there might be no downside to water-only but it doesn't remove nutes from the flowers (as it says in my sig).

 

[Roy Growin]

I guess that depends on how you define growing! Some folks swear their flowers are bulking during that period and some feel like they're just waiting for the trichs to mature. Like I said, there might be no downside to water-only but it doesn't remove nutes from the flowers (as it says in my sig).

Absolutely it doesn't, that's a nonsense - the plant can only use what it has stored which is definitely not raw nutrients
Yes they bulk up, but that is nothing to do with nutrient input is it? [I'm actually asking, not passive aggressive lol]

 

[Sparkey224]

One's a personal attack GG. I would never attack you personally on anything you do, think, feel, believe, or post. You can say that your flushed harvest is better than your unflushed and I believe you. I was just pointing out that folks pushing water only to remove excess nutes from the flowers is bro-science, as in touted by folks as fact without ever doing the actual science.

I guess that depends on how you define growing! Some folks swear their flowers are bulking during that period and some feel like they're just waiting for the trichs to mature. Like I said, there might be no downside to water-only but it doesn't remove nutes from the flowers (as it says in my sig).

My apologies for being a dick head Shed.

Also, want folks to know like you mentioned it's not in the buds, it's the medium you want to clean her out before harvest..
Smoke in my situation it's a lot better.

Appreciate you guys, everyone here is really good at what they do..

Cheers, I'm going to blaze one more..

No separation here fellows only unification.

 

[InTheShed]

Absolutely it doesn't, that's a nonsense - the plant can only use what it has stored which is definitely not raw nutrients
Yes they bulk up, but that is nothing to do with nutrient input is it? [I'm actually asking, not passive aggressive lol]

When I started growing I was told by folks (and read all over the internet) that it was necessary to go water-only at the end to make sure you didn't get the dreaded nute-taste after harvest. This was only for folks using synthetic nutes (me), so I did it. I was later pointed (by Penny) to a great post on the site (second link in my sig) and started digging around to find the research on it. Of course it turned out not to possible, since flowers don't give up their nutrients in order to support the rest of the plant's survival...that would be evolutionarily counter-productive.

I don't recall anyone claiming that it was necessary for organic grows. You can do your own research as to why that might be, and what you conclude from that is totally up to you.

My apologies for being a dick head Shed.

You weren't but thanks!

 

[CaptainLucky]

That's funny Shed. But you are 100% right on bro science with me. Imo, if that means me reading the plants instead of putting them on your schedule.
My plants tell me their schedule, I'm not on their schedule brother and once you figure that out you bust out some prime flower.

All these nutrient companies want to sell you more nutrients..big pockets to post things for growers to read..

Last thing Shed, you call out Dani for being condescending but it's ok calling me out on bro science..
If you want to compare flowers without a popularity contest, let's go bro.. any day my friend

Already enough with this I’m over it. The whole thing is being taken out of context but by all means please believe whatever anyone wants just let it go! Smh CL

 

[Sparkey224]

Already enough with this I’m over it. The whole thing is being taken out of context but by all means please believe whatever anyone wants just let it go! Smh CL

Cool bro, I'm out for real

 

[Danishoes21]

Sorry man, but you won't be getting them unless they're from @VIVOSUN
Geopots are made by the same company as Geoflora, and they don't ship to Canada. PB didn't either, I think someone said their product had EDTA in it, and that's banned here.
Remo is a Canadian company, out near you I think, and it's a good product.

I will take what ever the moderator gives out. So far I got just the stickers and lighter. I was really looking forward to use the same fertilizer everyone uses. To see results on my grows.

Thanks for letting me know Mel.

 

[CaptainLucky]

I will take what ever the moderator gives out. So far I got just the stickers and lighter. I was really looking forward to use the same fertilizer everyone uses. To see results on my grows.

Thanks for letting me know Mel.

I have more GeoFlora than I will ever use and if you want some PM me and when you meet with GG he can put it in your hands. CL

 

[Danishoes21]

I don't know what your challenge was or why you felt like I needed to be challenged. You weren't even discussing the effect feeding only water at the end of a synthetic grow. Am I somehow obligated to discuss organic and synthetic grows with you and cowardly if I don't?

Can you find a single instance of me trying to convince an LOS grower to switch to synthetics? If I mention adding a salt-based nute to an LOS grow it's because the grower is having an issue with the way the LOS is performing. My philosophy there is not to sacrifice the plant on the alter of the grow method.

Please don't treat me like I am some self-proclaimed expert that needs to be taken down a peg. Like many others here, I offer my thoughts to help out the growers I sub to whenever I can, organic and synthetic alike.

For respect to Captain, bring it to my thread. Let’s talk peer to peer man. Or take it to your thread.
I’m talking discussing flush techniques at end of a grow. And how in organics you never flush because there is not un natural build up of nutrients in the plant, senescence is supposed to do that for the plant, in late flower every single plant exception of conifers flushes it self, that’s why they lose foliage, leaves turn yellow and die off. It’s a natural thing a plant will reject unnecessary food.
Look it up, don’t take it from me I am a nobody.

Peace bro, chill out, you poke me with the “condescending bullshit” read back, you snapped.

I have proposed several times even in this thread, ways to help out Captain, but you have undermined what I say and imposed your ways, and people listen to you. And I just watch after that.

The reason I say Citric acid don’t work is because when I have tried it and others too, the mildew will pop again somewhere else in the plant. The only effective way I found to kill mildew is to build up the plants immune system, bottom line don’t need the citric acid if my plant can be induced to produce ROS (Reactive Oxygen Species), peroxide being one of the ways the plant can naturally fight fungi. Sir the plant can cure itself it doesn’t need anything sprayed on her. There is scientific data that talks about ROS in plants and even more data on systemic acquired or induced resistance. Nothing in those papers mention citric acid.

 

[InTheShed]

Peace bro, chill out, you poke me with the “condescending bullshit” read back, you snapped.

I have proposed several times even in this thread, ways to help out Captain, but you have undermined what I say and imposed your ways, and people listen to you. And I just watch after that.

The reason I say Citric acid don’t work is because when I have tried it and others too, the mildew will pop again somewhere else in the plant. The only effective way I found to kill mildew is to build up the plants immune system, bottom line don’t need the citric acid if my plant can be induced to produce ROS (Reactive Oxygen Species), peroxide being one of the ways the plant can naturally fight fungi. Sir the plant can cure itself it doesn’t need anything sprayed on her. There is scientific data that talks about ROS in plants and even more data on systemic acquired or induced resistance. Nothing in those papers mention citric acid.

I must have missed your detailed instructions on how to create ROS as a method for those with active PM eating their plants. I'm sure you posted it after I recommend citric acid for PM to give folks alternatives. You must have missed where I say it doesn't prevent PM but will kill it, so the plant needs to be monitored and re-sprayed if it comes back. And you must be really pissed that someone takes my advice over yours when we offer both suggestions because you actually consider that me imposing my will.

I didn't "snap," I was just calling you out. Sorry you can't face up to your negative attitude and mischaracterization of my posts on this site, and everyone reading this conversation can tell the difference in tone between your posts and mine.

It’s a natural thing a plant will reject unnecessary food.

True in organic and synthetic grows. That's why they can both show toxicities when overfed.

 

[CaptainLucky]

I must have missed your detailed instructions on how to create ROS as a method for those with active PM eating their plants. I'm sure you posted it after I recommend citric acid for PM to give folks alternatives. You must have missed where I say it doesn't prevent PM but will kill it, so the plant needs to be monitored and re-sprayed if it comes back. And you must be really pissed that someone takes my advice over yours when we offer both suggestions because you actually consider that me imposing my will.

I didn't "snap," I was just calling you out. Sorry you can't face up to your negative attitude and mischaracterization of my posts on this site, and everyone reading this conversation can tell the difference in tone between your posts and mine.

True in organic and synthetic grows. That's why they can both show toxicities when overfed.

I’m happy to say that all my girls were fed till runoff with RX that I especially made with little N but more PK to get peak flowering results. CL.

 

[DV8]

Subbing in. Mostly just to say if theres a discussion about flushing/ withholding nutes in last 2 weeks love for a member to tag me in, as I've never really understood the difference either way. Obviously theres some strong opinions, appreciate some clarity, mostly on the biological side of things.