Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg & More! CFL's - LED - HPS

[stealthgrow]

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Hi canna
That yellowish ball in the sky was just your imagination, its -22C, with windy snow flurries where I am today.
I gotta move somewhere warm, Hawaii would be so nice.

 

[B A R]

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On my way to work this morning....should I say as I slid into work this morning...the strangest phenomenon occurred. The clouds parted and this big round yellowish ball appeared in the sky. When I got out of my car I felt warmth hit my face. I gazed at it in pure wonderment before it sadly slipped back behind the clouds.....

I shall venture forth on some research to see what it could possibly have been!

That's a normal occurrence during a snow blizzard when the clouds part momentarily. It's just the sun Princess DIY. Don't get nervous, the world isn't ending quit yet.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

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Hi canna
That yellowish ball in the sky was just your imagination, its -22C, with windy snow flurries where I am today.
I gotta move somewhere warm, Hawaii would be so nice.

But it looked SO REAL. LOL I'm with you stealth...won't be handling another winter like this.

That's a normal occurrence during a snow blizzard when the clouds part momentarily. It's just the sun Princess DIY. Don't get nervous, the world isn't ending quit yet.

Thank God Reg! I have so much to do tomorrow!
It followed me all the way home from work and made pretty vibrant colors in the clouds....I think it's friendly.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

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I am going to do a grow post....really. I'm trying to get some time lapse together tonight if my computer cooperates. LOL
Sometimes it won't see my SD card, I think it needs new glasses.

 

[B A R]

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That's a normal occurrence during a snow blizzard when the clouds part momentarily. It's just the sun Princess DIY. Don't get nervous, the world isn't ending quit yet.

Thank God Reg! I have so much to do tomorrow!

 

[Lady Cannafan]

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Here is an excellent read sent to me by PeeJay regarding my question on PPM/PH
I now understand Parts per Million (PPM) which is going to help me with a lot of things here regarding my water, not just my grow.
Thank you PeeJay! Not only for the information, but the time you spent on it!

PH and PPM:
I'll do as best I can with this question, putting it into laymen's terms. pH is a measure of hydrogen ion concentration. At 7.0 the solution is neither an acid nor a base. Below 7.0 things become more acidic. Above 7.0 things become increasingly base.

PPM is a measure of the minerals and stuff in water, or nutrients combined with the water. In general, the two biggest contributors to PPM in water from a well or the tap are calcium and magnesium. Things like selenium, copper, iron, and chlorine are all in water too. The more of these things that are in the water or water nutrient mix, the higher the PPM (parts per million.) When you dip a meter in water or water nutrient mix, it tells you how much other stuff is in the water besides just pure water - water is only hydrogen and oxygen stuck together. The PPM meter does not tell you anything about how much of each thing is in the water. It just tells you how much non-water chemicals are in solution with the water. If your water comes from a limestone aquifer it has more calcium in it, for example, but the meter won't tell you that. It only tells you how much stuff is dissolved in the water all lumped together.

Ok, some people, and especially hydroponics growers, measure the PPM of the water after adding nutrients. This is a way of knowing how much nutrients are dissolved in the water after mixing it up. You know the PPM of the water you're adding the nutrients to. You measure the PPM after the adding the nutes, and you know how much of the nutrients you've added. It is a way of measuring nutes just like a big syringe, or other liquid volume measuring container. It is a more accurate way of measuring how much nutrients are in the reservoir or the water mixed with nutrients you are going to feed your plants in soil than only measuring the volume of nutrients in a syringe or measuring glass or whatever.

The PPM tells you nothing about the ratio of the different nutrients and stuff in the water/feed mix. It is just an indicator of the strength of the mix. The ratio of the different nutrients is only known from how much of each thing is in the nutrients you are mixing with the water, and knowing what is in your water already. You can do the math and figure it out somewhat accurately if you are mathematically inclined. There are already nutrients and often added fluoride for dental health (or bad things like chlorine, lead, tritium, perchlorate, etc) in the water before you add nutes.

If you measure the PPM of your tap water five times in a week there will be variation each time - hopefully not big variations. The only way to know what is in the water coming out of your tap is by looking at the municipal water report for your neighborhood in a town or urban area. The city I live in has reports for twenty or so different zones and they are all different. Also, the reports are based on several samples that change from day to day and are averaged. The water out of your tap is not the same every time. Ever poured yourself a glass of water from the tap and it tastes better or like crap compared to what you typically get? The PPM's are different than they usually are. If you have a well, you can get your water tested by the county, the cooperative extension service. etc.

Things become increasingly complicated from here… pH and PPM are separate measurements of different things. However, some of the things other than hydrogen and oxygen in your water or water/ nutrient mix are really good at taking the hydrogen that is not attached to oxygen to make water and making that hydrogen a part of itself. Since pH is the measure of hydrogen that is not attached to anything in your water or water nutrient mix, the things you add to the water can change the pH. The same is true of just plain well or tap water. What is in the water changes the pH of the water because some of those things are pulling hydrogen not attached to anything They make the formerly free and separate hydrogen part of them. This changes the pH. You are measuring two separate things, but those two separate things affect each other….

The other thing that meters read is EC. That is the abbreviation for electrical conductivity. Different things conduct electricity differently. You cannot make a wire for a lamp in your house out of string. Copper is a great electrical conductor, and you can make wire for a lamp out of it. The EC gives you clues about what is in your water or water/nutrient mix, but it does not tell you exactly what is in your mix any more than pH or PPM.

Combined, pH, PPM, EC, and the analysis of the nutrients you feed your plant can give you a lot of information about what is in the mix, but they don’t tell you exactly.

I am not a botanist, but I know quite a bit about human metabolism. Many of the principals of human metabolism and plant metabolism are the same, but there are significant differences, too. In both cases, for example, magnesium is needed every time ATP is added or moved around to a different position in a molecule. That is not important to know - just an example. Since I started growing cannabis I’ve become more interested in plant metabolism and I have enough background in biochemical mechanisms to increase my knowledge of plant metabolism quicker than most folks new to the subject.

It is quite complicated! Nobody understands all the metabolic intricacies entirely, but we learn more all the time. Cannabis metabolism is difficult to study because of the current prohibition against this wonderful and beneficial plant.

In the last two years LED lighting has taken off. It is a big trend. The other thing that, in my opinion, is going to explode as a trend are complete soils tailored to growing the plant like Doc’s kit, supersoil, etc. The reason is that many of the bacteria in the soil help regulate pH, nutrient availability, etc. Those bacteria (and fungi, too,) break down organic matter and turn it into plant food. The trend is feeding the bacteria instead of the plant. They do the work so you don’t have to – sort of like the scrubbing bubbles in a popular basin, tub and tile cleaner.

More and more companies are going to devote research money to helping soil growers make these soils. In the same way that the market for HPS and MH lighting is being eroded by increasingly effective and energy efficient LED lights, soil amending is going to erode the market for the huge array of liquid nutrient kits on the market. The days of trying to decide how much of this bottle and that bottle to add to the water we feed our plants are numbered. So are the days of scrutinizing our plants for problems and trying to decide what we need to do to fix the issue. The stress level goes WAY down with a nice soil medium.

Before dropping cash on more watts of light, soil growers are increasingly seeing the value of spending money on complete bioactive growing mediums. The gap between yield and quality between soil and a well maintained hydro system is closing quickly, largely due to the rapidly expanding experimentation with complete soils geared towards growing our favorite plant: growing mediums that take the guesswork out of how much to feed and when, and trying to diagnose deficiencies, toxicities, and lockouts.

 

[B A R]

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That was something I really needed to hear about now if you know what I mean. Great post Princess DIY.

 

[trichomes]

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This probably got answerred but I'm jumping in, any light bulb should have the volts and watts printed on it. You buy a timer based on it's AMPs (what it's rated for) The more amps the more $ to buy. I'll try to simplify based on American voltage, we run 120 volts.

example: I want to run (1) 1000 watt bulb, divide 1000w by 120v = 8.3 amps. So (1) 10a timer can run (1) 1000w bulb. You will be "pulling" 8.3amps through your timer.

example 2: If you ran (3) 1000 watt bulbs, (24.9amps) through (1) 20 amp timer, you are overloading the timer (by 4.9amps) and it could burn (not good).

The amp ratings also apply to power strips and ext cords. I hope this helps. If not let me know and I'll give you another scenario! I just looked at one of my "junk" 2 prong timers, it is rated for (can handle) 15 amps.

 

[trichomes]

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Great shared-share PPM sharing canna!

I would like permission to put that PPM post to my 420 info storage blog.

thanks PJ & canna

 

[Lady Cannafan]

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Great shared-share PPM sharing canna!

I would like permission to put that PPM post to my 420 info storage blog.

thanks PJ & canna

Hi Trichomes, you can put anything from here in your blog. It is community shared information.

And thank you for the information on amps/watts.

 

[PeeJay]

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Great shared-share PPM sharing canna!

I would like permission to put that PPM post to my 420 info storage blog.

thanks PJ & canna

By all means, tricomes, blog away. I initially PM'ed that post to Canna so she could read it and decide if I was making sense before she posted it.

If you were playing The Reps are Right and the question was, "what are pH and PMM and how are they related?" you could simply answer like this:

pH is the measure of free hydrogen in a solution. PPM is a measure of the sum of everything dissolved in the water that is NOT water. They are related because the things that are dissolved in the water can change the amount of free hydrogen in the solution.

 

[ajagunle]

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Fantastic explanation PeeJay and thank you Canna for posting!

I would add 2 things;

1. The scale is logarithmic, so 6 is ten times more Acidic than 7 and 5 is a hundred times more Acidic , 4 is a thousand times more Acidic, worth bearing in mind if you drift too far from the ‘Zone’ I think.

2. All our meters measure EC (electrical conductivity) and convert to ppm, each continent or manufacturer appears to use a small variety of conversion factors so comparing each others ppm is not an exact science!


Hope you don’t mind PeeJay and Canna!

 

[Lady Cannafan]

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Fantastic explanation PeeJay and thank you Canna for posting!

I would add 2 things;

1. The scale is logarithmic, so 6 is ten times more Acidic than 7 and 5 is a hundred times more Acidic , 4 is a thousand times more Acidic, worth bearing in mind if you drift too far from the ‘Zone’ I think.

2. All our meters measure EC (electrical conductivity) and convert to ppm, each continent or manufacturer appears to use a small variety of conversion factors so comparing each others ppm is not an exact science!


Hope you don’t mind PeeJay and Canna!

Don't mind in the least AJ, the more information the better!

 

[Jay233]

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Excellent posts on PH and PPM.

Love the time lapse videos Canna...Thanks for making and sharing those

 

[PeeJay]

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An excellent point about the pH scale being logarithmic, Aje. In soil we want a slightly acidic medium. Many folks don't realize that the difference between 5.9 and 6.0 is equal to the difference between 6.0 and 7.0. If your soil pH is more than 6 and less than 7, you're doing well. To make 0.1 or 0.2 adjustment in pH to a gallon of liquid accurately when working between 6.0 and 7.0 you need a very weak acid or base, a burette with a quality stopcock for the titration, and a very accurate meter. I giggle every time I read a soil grower who is going on about the importance of small adjustments to pH greater than 6.0 and less than 7.0. They are splitting hairs.

For hydro growers working in the pH 5.0 to 6.0 range a 0.1 difference is ten times as important as it is for a soil grower and ten times easier to accomplish that a 0.1 adjustment between 6.0 and 7.0.

 

[Dennise]

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brain bleed... band-aid please....

 

[Lady Cannafan]

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brain bleed... band-aid please....

LOL, it is a lot to absorb for sure.

Here's something a little easier on the brain waves, I was talking to someone about the not so powerful food saver I have and he just happened to have the zipvac system for hunters...which is exactly what I was looking for. He gave it to me, all the bags and the pumps. They work awesome! Thanks for the heads up on those Dennise!

Just for full disclosure here, that picture was from the internet. Mine are hunter green. Which is probably the excuse they use for charging more at sportsman's shops.

 

[PeeJay]

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lol Denise. Put your helmet on. Here comes more brain drain. I’m on a jag writing long posts about complex subjects at the moment. Here are some observations about the problems diagnosing nutrient deficiencies and lockouts. This post is inspired by the issue that Canna is having deciding what is going on with her oddly spotted yellow leaf. She searches for pictures that are similar and can’t pin it down. I’ll use an example from human nutrition to shed some light on the subject.

If a person has a riboflavin deficiency the first outward sign we can see is cracking and redness on the corners of their mouth. If the deficiency persists they will develop blisters and lesions on their skin. Here’s the thing; you never really see a riboflavin deficiency by itself. It is almost always accompanied by other deficiencies as well, a result of poor nutritional status in multiple areas. There will be other outward signs of deficiency in other vitamins and minerals. A healthcare practitioner may see signs of a riboflavin deficiency and other things at the same time. The chemical interplay in a biological system can lead to seeing all sorts of things. A battery of tests can identify and help the practitioner figure out what is going on and devise a nutritional intervention to improve the situation. This example sheds some light on why it can be very difficult to diagnose a plant nutrition problem by comparing a leaf on your plant to pictures of other leaves. Those pictures and your leaf likely have multiple problems at the same time which manifest in strange mixtures of observable oddities.

Some things are easier to diagnose than others when you look at your plant. Still, any intervention you take to fix the problem(s) is, at best, an educated guess. At the worst it is a crap shoot.

 

[PeeJay]

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nice score on the Zip-Vac

 

[SweetLeef]

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Thanks for being smart PeeJay!