Cannabis Oil Dosing Tutorial: Tacking Method

420 Motoco said:
Hi nobby32, I remember you, you came in right before I left. I go in for a procedure tomorrow, blockage issues in the legs. This post caught my attention through 'subscription' to this thread, which for some reason I haven't seen many or the 'thread' is dead?

Anyway if I may I'll address a couple of things. Was this your first grow? Did you smoke pot prior to your grow? By chance did you have your CCO tested? It's been my experience first time growers usually produce flowers coming in about 14% THC. Back in time; 6-7% THC got us stoned. Potency levels are important. Not saying anything negative, just reviewing.

In your oil making process did you decarboxylate your oil at 250 degrees until it completely stopped moving, flat like a 'glass' lake with no nipples appearing? Again, just reviewing. Also what was your grain alcohol percentage?

More important details now; I see you started off by ingesting small amounts of max potency of your concentrate. Unfortunately we couldn't do this anymore. Apparently it seems with your saliva issues it drained down faster than it got to your CB1 receptors first, and you got stoned, is this correct? If you couldn't tack correctly the application was wrong. I don't have time to track down the updated method I posted about the same time you came in. Perhaps RSOiler knows where this post is? If you dry your gums off properly, the oil adheres to the gums in ONE swipe. Trying to get the rest off your finger doesn't work and makes the application dose worse and it drains down too fast. Also you do not swallow for 15 minutes. Simply spit out the saliva. Once mastered you do not saliva as much simply because you don't think about it once the protocol becomes redundant. Always eat something first before dosing. When on the concentrated oil its important to hydrate a lot and snack in between meals otherwise your body is craving nutrients and water. Without a constant supply of these you become nauseous because of dehydration and lack of nutrients. When this happens simply drink water and eat a snack and in 10-15 minutes it goes away. When this becomes 'muscle memory' it never occurs. Can you give a short explanation on how you felt 'tacking'? Thank you.

This is probably most important; when people are given a time frame for any type of treatment it causes stress beyond what most people would think. Its natural to all unless experienced on how to cope with stress. It starts off simmering and then it builds up and can become a full blown 'panic' attack. When and IF the TF3 master switch is triggered it can cause good cancer cells to turn 'traitor' and your cancer can rise dramatically. Best attack plan is distraction. You have to keep your head in a positive thinking mode. Change negative thoughts to positive thoughts. Talk to the Wife about other things. If tacking properly and the oil gets seated in your CB1 receptors first then it helps to control stress by regulating your blood pressure, sugar levels, heart rate etc, if the oil drains down faster, it causes irregular heart beats and other things are not controlled but exaggerated especially 'dwelling' on your Cancer and negative thoughts. You changed protocols 3 times. Started off with full strength oil and then cut it half. Stress/anxiety does this. A lot of people do this, you're not alone. In most cases like yours everyone wants to take as much as possible in a short amount of time, this doesn't mean the cancer will go away quicker. Its consistency and a strict protocol which includes, eating, hydrating and sleeping. Jumping from one protocol to another can be harmful also.

When using CCO and doing PSA test they can be very misleading. Time and time again I've seen PSA counts go up and up but yet their immune system is getting stronger. Conclusion; the PSA test counts dead cancer cells also. Of course everyone wants these test to see where there cancer is at but on the same hand it causes stress also which normally results in less sleep lowering the immune system. 60 grams in 7 weeks? Also keep in mind; this is from notes from other people treating their cancer with CO, the counts always go up, then they peak, level off and the last part of the treatment it plummets down quickly. But, if one watches their counts so closely it like watching/waiting for water to boil. Stress/anxiety is the biggest reason ANY regimen doesn't work. Even stress/anxiety starting to 'stew' isn't good. It creates negative thoughts you're going through right now. This is why 'tacking' can excell done properly. It puts your head in a much better positive frame of mind. Just like XJohn went through. I honestly think you're doing much better than what your PSA test says. Just so you know I've some some pretty crazy test results and if you research these test you will find they are not that accurate in some cases, especially as mentioned they seem to go up 'almost double' in some cases before they crash down. As hard as it is right now your Wife and you need to get in a positive mode. Especially now! I honestly think your PSA count with the volume of oil you have taken is lower than 106 and you're much closer than you think! Get your head thinking positive, it does wonders. Again, especially right now. I cannot tell you how many people gave up at this stage when they were really close to the finnish. So much mental issues come into play. Work on controlling your anxiety, they are your worst enemy.

In review; reading your post and the amount of oil you have taken its my opinion your PSA count is lower than the actual 106 as the test doesn't distinguish between live and dead cancer cells ( Dr.s opinion, some say they don't really know, some say it doesn't tell the difference between dead and live cancer cells). Based off our experience keeping notes, your actual PSA could be half of 106. This is where a mentor really comes into play, keeping the protocol on point, consistency (not the case) and keeping your thoughts positive simply because stress/anxiety can do damage and quickly if not checked. Perhaps Xjohn can pipe in and explain how important it is to keep 'happy' thoughts. I'll be rehabbing myself soon after my procedure and that involves most of my day outside walking, then build up to full on cardio and I simply have to focus on getting my cardio built up. Hope this gave you some insight Brother! Oh and a side not about these hormone blockers. Have you seen the side effects? Just like their chemo pill counterparts. Check out the side effects if you haven't. Take care.
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First of all Motoco thank you for your most kind and comprehensive reply and I'll do my best to answer it all.

Yes I'm a first time grower, and I haven't smoked for 40 years, and no I couldn't test it at all so it's possible it was under strength.

I strictly followed your regimen for making the oil and decarboxylated at just under 250 degrees until the oil was motionless. I used Spirytus grain alcohol.

I tried to tack a number of times but despite drying my gums they got wet within seconds and the oil would not stick. And the oil was so sticky and the whole procedure was so messy and I got oil everywhere except my gums that I got discouraged. Also I was trying to hide it from my young kids, 7 and 9 years old, so that added to the stress.

By that time you had just taken your leave, and coincidentally I found an Aussie lady, Sharon Kelly, who had cured her Stage 4 lung cancer with her 'back door' method. I got in touch with her hubby and he guided me through the whole procedure, which suited me fine. I mixed my Barney's Acapulco Gold 26% THC 2:1 with my Critical Cure 9% CBD and subsequently mixed that, my Daytime dose, in a 50/50 mix with Organic Unrefined Coconut Oil. Also I had Critical Kush, 100% Indica and Pineapple Crush?, all Barneys Seeds, for my Night time dose, mixed 50/50 with Organic Unrefined Coconut Oil. I put this mixture into 1ml syringes, separating day and night doses and did tests to build up tolerance until I could take the whole 1ml without being too stoned.

I was mildly out of it for the first 10 days or so as I built up resistance, but not so it interfered with my work. I did 1ml in the morning and 1ml before bed. This gave me 1 gram of full strength CO per day by my calculations. It was quick and clean and non-euphoric and twice a day, which in my position as self-employed, was perfect.

So I never got to tack at all - the ingesting I referred to was me putting a 1/8 grain in my mouth and letting it dissolve. That initial test on the Acapulco Gold got me stoned for 2 days. I didn't try the upper gums because that wasn't considered efficient.
So I really only tried one protocol.

That's my story. I was expecting my PSA to be near zero, so a 7 times increase to 106 was a big shock to say the least. And now the discovery of a 60 millimetre Transitional Cell Carcinoma in my bladder is a bigger shock. I thought I did everything right but obviously not.

I'm seeing my urologist in a week, and I have to submit a new blood sample, so maybe things will improve.

I don't expect any real answers here - just "Stating the facts, Ma'am". My metabolism may not be suited to the protocol I used - I know not everyone can be helped. I could be one of them.

But if you can find an error in my application please tell me.

Hope your procedure went well and you are continuing to help people. And thank you again for your genuine concern. I really y appreciate it. BTW I'm feeling much better today. It's not the end of the world!

Cheers, Nobby
 
Nobby.....
Along with Cannabis can I suggest you look up Elaine Cantin Ketogenic Diet!
Cancer loves sugar.
My father had bladder cancer aprx ten years ago,thats why he also lost a part of his lung unnecessarily as they thought it might have spread there and wanted to be safe and removed part of it that did not test positive.
My father was lucky that the tumor did not invade or spread but the lung removal has caused his copd to be worse since he has less lung area and I think thats where clots developed.
 
Citicoline is not good when we have cancer.
Citicoline helps to grow new blood vessels and we do not want to feed cancer.
It may suppress high and can be used for other patients than cancer.
 
Mariamlu said:
I believe bioavailability can be a key.
If cannabinoid receptors are not working, then cannabis oil is not working.
Activate your cannabinoid receptors.
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How?

I never did that.

And my PSA #'s are less than 1/100th what they were before the oil.

556 before.....3.36 after 6 mos@10 tacks a day

I guess my receptors are OK.

Why wouldn't they work?

What would stop them from working?

How do you activate cannabinoid receptors.

I know Cajuncelt talkes about it in his thread (third link in my signature).

Motoco discounts it in this thread.

Thanks for details you might like to add.

:Namaste:
 
Side note to Nobby:

My PSA went up for the first month or so. About 10%

:Namaste:
 
Activating receptors is not a matter of opinion. It's a physical/medical fact that can be proven.
Whether or not you cleanse them is a personal decision.
I personally am going to use every tool I can. I have. It's been 4 years.
Professional athletes on high performance regimens do it regularly.
I don't believe anyone discounts it. An issue might be whether it's necessary or not.

The easiest way to explain why I push these issues is using Vitamin C.
If you swallow 1000mg of Vitamin C in pill form, you will only process about 15% at best.
If you make the Vitamin C more bioavailable through lipscomal encapsulation, you will process 90% or better.
This is not a new nor a ground breaking concept. Again, it's been used in modern medicine for many years.
If you feel healthy not doing these lil extras, imagine how much more efficient it could be? Some need it, some don't.
 
nobby32 said:
First of all Motoco thank you for your most kind and comprehensive reply and I'll do my best to answer it all.

Yes I'm a first time grower, and I haven't smoked for 40 years, and no I couldn't test it at all so it's possible it was under strength.

I strictly followed your regimen for making the oil and decarboxylated at just under 250 degrees until the oil was motionless. I used Spirytus grain alcohol.

I tried to tack a number of times but despite drying my gums they got wet within seconds and the oil would not stick. And the oil was so sticky and the whole procedure was so messy and I got oil everywhere except my gums that I got discouraged. Also I was trying to hide it from my young kids, 7 and 9 years old, so that added to the stress.

By that time you had just taken your leave, and coincidentally I found an Aussie lady, Sharon Kelly, who had cured her Stage 4 lung cancer with her 'back door' method. I got in touch with her hubby and he guided me through the whole procedure, which suited me fine. I mixed my Barney's Acapulco Gold 26% THC 2:1 with my Critical Cure 9% CBD and subsequently mixed that, my Daytime dose, in a 50/50 mix with Organic Unrefined Coconut Oil. Also I had Critical Kush, 100% Indica and Pineapple Crush?, all Barneys Seeds, for my Night time dose, mixed 50/50 with Organic Unrefined Coconut Oil. I put this mixture into 1ml syringes, separating day and night doses and did tests to build up tolerance until I could take the whole 1ml without being too stoned.

I was mildly out of it for the first 10 days or so as I built up resistance, but not so it interfered with my work. I did 1ml in the morning and 1ml before bed. This gave me 1 gram of full strength CO per day by my calculations. It was quick and clean and non-euphoric and twice a day,
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So you took 2 doses a day.
Diluted by a medium chain fat which caused it to be converted to THC ∆11 & expelled. That's why you were out of it.
So you dosed 1/2g of oil with 1/2g of coconut oil twice a day?
Cannabinoids stay in our ECS 4 hours at best before the liver adioses them.
Your 500mg of CO each dose probably amounted to no more than 65mg being available.
That tiny 65mg only lasted a few hours. So you went untreated for hours before the 2nd dose. Which again was probably no better than 65mg in your system.
You didn't have 1000mg (1 gram) a day. You had 15% of that at best & left the cancer unchecked for hours.
 
cajuncelt said:
So you took 2 doses a day.
Diluted by a medium chain fat which caused it to be converted to THC ∆11 & expelled. That's why you were out of it.
So you dosed 1/2g of oil with 1/2g of coconut oil twice a day?
Cannabinoids stay in our ECS 4 hours at best before the liver adioses them.
Your 500mg of CO each dose probably amounted to no more than 65mg being available.
That tiny 65mg only lasted a few hours. So you went untreated for hours before the 2nd dose. Which again was probably no better than 65mg in your system.
You didn't have 1000mg (1 gram) a day. You had 15% of that at best & left the cancer unchecked for hours.
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Thanks Cajun!

So you dosed 1/2g of oil with 1/2g of coconut oil twice a day?

Yes, so I have obviously stuffed up in my dosage (and my total supply of CO) big time!

So IF I put undiluted 500mg CO into suppositories would that work better, or into a syringe?

Or would you recommend I persevere with my tacking practice?

Your answer has certainly given me a bit of light at the end of my tunnel.

Thanks heaps Cajun! Cheers, Nobby
 
Hi nooby32, sorry for the delay as the hospital trip got my anxieties up as well as foreign things in my body. Had a few days of good rest and feel strong again.

Thank you for all your answers. Let's take the equation out of the flowers/strain you used, and focus on application. When first learning tacking I tried drying my gums and it didn't work for me either so don't be discouraged. I was doing it wrong and here is how so; I would dry my gums remove what I was drying my gums with, then apply my dose to my dosing finger and apply. Too late! The saliva returned and as you mentioned it wouldn't apply. Then a friend told me how he did it and it worked perfectly. Let's review how his method worked and ours didn't. First he stuck his drying material (close to a 1.5-2 inches rolled up a few times for absorption) on his lower gum between the gum and bottom lip centered in the middle. Now while the gum is drying out now you apply the dose to your dosing finger. When that is done quickly remove the drying material with the hand that is free of the dose and let go of it while still keeping your lip out so it doesn't touch your gum. Now with your dosing finger make a clean firm swipe one time across the dried out gum. You can do it much easier with the help of your wife while learning the procedure. You can have your dosing finger ready as she pulls out the drying material while she is also holding your lip away from your gums. This way you simply focus on keeping your dosing finger flat and down as low as you can go keeping it away from your teeth but paying attention you're not trying to wipe the oil off on the bottom of your lip but keep it as low on your gum. In short time you will be able to tell how easy it goes on before the saliva comes back. Here is the most important part, absolutely no swallowing for 15 minutes. Here is a big help; have a glass of ice water on the ready before you start to dose as well as a spit cup. After you do the dose as explained above simply take the glass of ice water and take a sip, no swishing, no swallowing. After the sip simply tilt your head down and let the cold water ust sit on your gums a couple of seconds and gently spit it out in your 'spit cup'. This does several things; first it helps to keep the oil on your gums longer, secondly look in your 'spit' glass, see any little brown things floating around? This is what you would of swallowed. Thirdly it helps take away some of the bitter taste. Once learned YOU will take charge of the oil instead of the oil taking charge of you. Always dose after a main meal and after you brushed your teeth so if anything shows up in the 'spit' cup it isn't a food particle. If a dose is in between meals snack something, could be a cracker, trail mix, half of a sandwich, you get the jest. Also hydrate before dosing so right afterwards you not thirsty and want a drink. After your morning coffee/tea/hot beverage that is it for hot drinks. After a little practice nooby you will be well versed in dosing. Here is a huge benefit with this protocol; it controls your system, keeping your vitals working properly, your blood pressure in check, your sugar levels in check, your heart rate in check and also gives you a positive attitude in helping control your stress and anxiety. What does all this mean ? It builds your immune system up. What does that mean? Cancer does not advance when the immune system builds up. In fact instead of focusing on all the different cancer test focus on seeing if your immune system is getting stronger through test. Which it isn't now. Let's turn this around. Practice this application, let your Wife help until you master it. It becomes very easy and if no swallowing for 15 minutes you will notice that gets really easy also. Darn brain can easily become a traitor just based on how you feel and think. Do it correctly and you will think, the oil isn't doing anything, I don't feel much. Keep going and watch the turn around. Just keep doing it and you will start feeling healthier and healthier. Put your thinking cap on; what is this powerful concentrate doing? I don't feel much, it must be not working? Its working its butt off! It is just controlling the high. Whats the big deal of feeling high? Not much right? Wrong! It is regulating your system, your CB1 receptors start working and now they communicate with your CB2 immune system (they are up to CB3/4 and maybe more?). It really is this easy nooby, let go of the fear of the oil and take charge Brother. I know everyone in the world thinks you need at least a gram a day, perhaps so doing other protocols? Locally it is not the case. Just our opinion; we have found out it is more important to take it correctly than quantity. Importance on NOT losing control of the oil is key. I know, it goes against what the Industry says but in all honesty we have been trashed on our protocol from the start. If your head is not in a happy place the body follows. Stay focused, stay committed. Its the whole package, just not the oil. Concentrated oil, hydration, nutrition, and sleep, repeat, repeat and repeat. Now to one of the most important things of all; STRESS!. This is the deal breaker. Nothing helps stress more on the oil than taking the oil via gum absorption/tacking. You got the proper strains, daytime, nighttime and this will help control stress/anxiety/depression better than anything but also goes about its business to build your immune system up. In our experience this protocol has worked every time. When it hasn't worked it is because the people using it did not follow protocol. They didn't think it was effective because they didn't feel that big of change at the start so they moved on to other protocols. Anxiety/Stress if not controlled is a death sentence. Its simple math; stress keeps you up at night, no sleep results in tearing down your immune system faster than anything else. How can one heal when their immune system is weak? This is where chemo/radiation is such a fail. Yes it can knock cancer down but in doing so it tears down the immune system. So even though it can get cancer in remission you're left with an immune system that is so run down most of late stage cancers just don't have the strength to survive. If people who are using chemo/radiation as their protocol and your cancer counts go down low is the perfect time to start using the concentrate and also a perfect time to stop chemo/radiation. Let the oil build your immune system up. If you keep doing chemo/radiation/chemo pill while on the oil it tears down your immune system while the oil is trying to build it up. No way you can build your immune up with a form of mustard gas. Also nooby if you haven't done so look into the series 'The Truth about Cancer'. Very informative! So please nooby follow these dosing instructions, pay attention, the main thing is after the one swipe, whatever doesn't come off your finger simply scrape off with a cuticle pusher/butter knife and add to your next dose. Pay attention to colder weather; press your dose down a tad with a cuticle pusher, warm up the dose with a hair dryer on low speed but on hot. this doesn't allow the dose to come off so easily getting it to your gums. As soon as you master dosing which should be in a short amount of time we can get you on a good protocol. Try 'tacking' three times a day to start for your daytime dose. Once after breakfast, after lunch and the third dose about an hour before dinner. In between these doses hydrate and snack. Two hours before bed take your Indica dose for sleep. Don't over think things right now, just keep doing the regimen. We can touch bases as soon as you post your tacking properly. Remember, key is not to swallow for 15 minutes. Get this down and we can move on to a more productive dosing regimen. I'm on the mend also but I'll make it a point to look out for your post. Hope this helps. We can turn this around and put you in a happy place. More to follow. Keep the faith!
 
Hi gekkoca, follow the dosing instructions I just gave nooby on my last post. No RSO in Canada? I've never 'tacked' with diluted oil. I can tell you though with a good blend of daytime oil with CBD for the pain it will do wonders. I smoked for over 50 years and the first time I did the oil it was the first thing I notice, it cleansed my lungs. In the meantime yes, it works wonders on COPD and controls blood pressure. So much so you have to wean of the blood pressure meds as the oil does it naturally. A blend I would recommend is two parts Sativa Hybrid to one part CBD. Really a hard task to get someone to grow CBD properly so be cautious there. If you have good access to flowers I would recommend making your own concentrated oil. It really is easy. At least you know that the finished product is a quality med. You have the info for a excellent daytime oil with cbd in it now the only thing missing is as close to pure Indica as you can get for night time sleep. A dosing regimen in my opinion would be 1/2 grain of rice after breakfast, 1/2 grain of rice after lunch and 1/2 grain of rice 2 hours prior to bed. You can dose your Dad if need be. If he has dentures simply remove them put the dose on the dentures put the dentures back in and NO swallowing for 15 minutes. Keep repeating the regimen until the oil gets stabilized in your Dad's system, keep repeating until the oil controls daytime and nighttime regimens. If your Dad's sleeping regimen is turned around it is important to have accurate daytime/nighttime regimen. Then everything stabilizes. Also; make sure you know the side effects of all meds your Father is on. They have to be reviewed so if he is on sleeping meds, blood pressure meds we can wean him off of those. Hope this helps. I am not as consistent on the forums as I'm rehabbing building my cardiovascular system up. Good luck and hope this helps somewhat.

gekkoca said:
Please Help New To Forum
420 Motoco anyone!

Parent dying of Pulmonary Hypertension
Scarring of lung due to prior blood clots has caused a web of damage to my dads lung and he has COPD also.
Apparently this damage scars the pathway for the heart to get oxygen and causes high pressure within the heart.
However he can still have low blood pressure outside of the heart mechanism.He is on blood thinners for older people(not warfarin) and he is in the hospital on apr 5 liters of oxygen but if he gets anxious or walks it goes up to 10 litres.They wont do surgery and chronic pain in lower abdomen from prior removal ten yrs ago of right lung lobe causes chronic pain making it harder to breath.No medications are working.

If I cant tack is it safe still? Are there other precautions since one of my worries is low blood pressure.
I dont have access to traditional rso either here where I am in Canada.
Can I use cannibutter or edibles starting slowly in small dosages?
What is more beneficial - high tch % CBDs?
Anyone here familiar with Pulmonary Hypertension?
Please and thank you
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cajuncelt said:
Activating receptors is not a matter of opinion. It's a physical/medical fact that can be proven.
Whether or not you cleanse them is a personal decision.
I personally am going to use every tool I can. I have. It's been 4 years.
Professional athletes on high performance regimens do it regularly.
I don't believe anyone discounts it. An issue might be whether it's necessary or not.

The easiest way to explain why I push these issues is using Vitamin C.
If you swallow 1000mg of Vitamin C in pill form, you will only process about 15% at best.
If you make the Vitamin C more bioavailable through lipscomal encapsulation, you will process 90% or better.
This is not a new nor a ground breaking concept. Again, it's been used in modern medicine for many years.
If you feel healthy not doing these lil extras, imagine how much more efficient it could be? Some need it, some don't.
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I get that you believe it...but you didn't answer any of my questions. They were NOT rhetorical.
 
94xjjohn said:
I get that you believe it...but you didn't answer any of my questions. They were NOT rhetorical.
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Enough has been posted about it on here. I think you can use the search button.
 
That was an EPIC write up!!!! You are a good man for helping Motoco. From now on I will refer to page 123, post #1831 for beginners & people that have SLOPPY tacks. Great job Motoco. :Namaste:

Shout out to Mo...............:Love: :hugs:
 
94xjjohn said:
How?

I never did that.

And my PSA #'s are less than 1/100th what they were before the oil.

556 before.....3.36 after 6 mos@10 tacks a day

I guess my receptors are OK.

Why wouldn't they work?

What would stop them from working?

How do you activate cannabinoid receptors.

I know Cajuncelt talkes about it in his thread (third link in my signature).

Motoco discounts it in this thread.

Thanks for details you might like to add.

:Namaste:
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Hi John,

Perhaps a misunderstanding; I don't discounts receptor cleansing of the receptors, just never had a need to do it with our protocol. Either in a preventive maintenance dose or cancer protocol. Hope all is well Brother.
 
I read how important are Omega-3 fatty acids. They are anti-inflammatory and good to endocannabinoid system. Sources are Line seed oil (keep in cold and do not heat), line seeds, which are ground just before using, chia seeds, walnuts. We should eat equal quantities of Omega-6 and Omega-3, but we mostly don’t.
 
Without calling specific names, we would like to make a special request for everyone to refrain from posting silly and hyper aggressive comments in our cannabis oil threads from here on out. They were developed by us to help sick people get assistance for their healing and quality of life, in some cases the last straw before death. With this in mind, we feel that posting of this nature only sends patients away, seeking more professional and serious help. Last thing we want is to be credited as a bunch of silly stoners wasting their time, I'm sure many of us will agree. It would be a tragedy to see all of this amazing information we all spent so much valuable time and energy creating, be ignored by those in dire need of support. Thank you for your understanding and support, we are truly grateful. :Love: :Namaste:
 
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