Cannabis Oil Dosing Tutorial: Tacking Method

[ba2bb]

Hi Folks,
I am treating prostate cancer late stage, last PSA was 51. To date, I have refused other Medical treatments.

Motoco and Mo have made it possible to start my journey of curing myself. Without their help I would still be searching the web and getting more confused by the day. I was about to give up and they pointed the way step by step. It couldn't have gone any smoother. I purchased everything I needed and wasted nothing on what was not needed.

After Motoco sent me a list of what to purchase for my equipment, the strains I needed to make my oil and Mo showed me how to 'tack' properly.

I got started dosing April 6, 2015.

For the first week a daytime dose of a dot about 1/8 grain of rice at 11am and 2pm then at evening a dose of Indica at bedtime. I was unable to locate a 90-95% pure Indica for night time oil before I started dosing. So I used a vapor pen for the first week. I have since located the Indica flowers and will extract it tonight.

Now that I have gotten the hang of everything I will be starting to increase my dosage.

Starting the second week (April 13, 2015) I have increased my dose to ½ grain dots and using the following schedule:

1st dose; after breakfast tack 2 dots (back to back) thoroughly.
2nd dose; 2 hours after breakfast 2 dots thoroughly.
3nd tack; after lunch tack 2 dots thoroughly.-
4rd tack; 2 hours after lunch, tack 2 dots thoroughly.
5th tack; 1-2 hours before bed, tack 1-2 dots of Indica thoroughly.

I am doing better than I could of imagined. I feel great. It is hard to believe you can be healing serious aliments and feel so good and healthy.

After reviewing the oil tutorial my Son and I easily made the oil and it turned out perfect pulling 4 grams per ounce of quality oil.

I am feeling alert and motivated during the day and each day seems like another great day and I now look forward to them. I'm sleeping better than in a long long time . I got my hope back.

One of my major worries with using Concentrated Cannabis Oil was the euphoric "high". I do not enjoy couch-lock and with Motoco and Mo's system I am doing all the recommended doses with none of the euphoria. That has been a very big deal for me.

Thanks to Motoco and Mo, they are the best!

BA2BB

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I just noticed a typo on my dose amount, 1/2 grain dots should have been 1/4 grain dots in the line:

"Starting the second week (April 13, 2015) I have increased my dose to ½ grain dots and using the following schedule:"

Sorry,
ba2bb

 

[420 Motoco]

Oh Oh ba2bb. That is your new dosing regimen, lol. Take your time and keep up the great job!

 

[ba2bb]

Hi Folks,

Week 3 started April 20, 2015.

My new dose schedule for week 3 is as follows:

Using daytime concentrated oil

1st dose; after breakfast (for me it is 10am), tack two ¼ grain dots (back to back) wait 15 min. then tack ½ grain thoroughly.

2nd dose; 2 hours after breakfast (noon), tack two ¼ grain dots (back to back) wait 15 min. then tack ½ grain thoroughly.

3rd dose; 2 hours after lunch (2pm), tack two ¼ grain dots (back to back) wait 15 min. then tack ½ grain thoroughly.

4th dose; 4 hours after lunch (4pm), tack two ¼ grain dots (back to back) wait 15 min. then tack ½ grain thoroughly.

Using nighttime concentrated oil

5th dose; 2 hours before bed (8pm), tack 2 ¼ grain dots (back to back) wait 15 min. then tack ½ grain thoroughly.

I am feeling great. And no euphoria!

Thanks to Motoco and Mo,
ba2bb

 

[CCOiler]

That's awesome ba2bb, thanks for sharing your dosing schedule.

 

[hjg721]

I'm a 27 year old female diagnosed with inoperable brain tumor in October 2014. I have not done any chemo or radiation. I have been doing natural methods and I have been taking the RSO for four days now, but have been doing the suppository method because I was worried about the oil interacting with a medication that I am on and my anxiety. I have pretty bad anxiety and smoking is not pleasurable for me and makes my chest get tight and I start to panic thinking that I am going to die so I am nervous to take it orally. Trying to avoid that, I tried the suppository method and have used the size of a rice grain. I am not sure that this is what I need to be doing for the RSO to work for a brain tumor? I also have a question about using the oil because I have been on a beta blocker (propranolol) for 8 years. I was put on for anxiety and heart palpitations that came from the anxiety; however, now if I don't take the medicine my heart races. My blood pressure runs about 90 something over 60 something normally. I know that is low. Will I be fine taking the oil under these circumstances and how do I need to take the oil in order to reach the brain tumor the best? Any help is much appreciated. Thanks.

 

[420 Motoco]

I'm a 27 year old female diagnosed with inoperable brain tumor in October 2014. I have not done any chemo or radiation. I have been doing natural methods and I have been taking the RSO for four days now, but have been doing the suppository method because I was worried about the oil interacting with a medication that I am on and my anxiety. I have pretty bad anxiety and smoking is not pleasurable for me and makes my chest get tight and I start to panic thinking that I am going to die so I am nervous to take it orally. Trying to avoid that, I tried the suppository method and have used the size of a rice grain. I am not sure that this is what I need to be doing for the RSO to work for a brain tumor? I also have a question about using the oil because I have been on a beta blocker (propranolol) for 8 years. I was put on for anxiety and heart palpitations that came from the anxiety; however, now if I don't take the medicine my heart races. My blood pressure runs about 90 something over 60 something normally. I know that is low. Will I be fine taking the oil under these circumstances and how do I need to take the oil in order to reach the brain tumor the best? Any help is much appreciated. Thanks.

Hi hjg721,

Welcome to 420 Magazine! Wow, 27? Lets get you back to healthy, that is way to young! The method 'tacking' goes right up to the receptors in your brain which is exactly where you want the oil to go. Normally I would recommend a Sativa dominant for the daytime use but because of your high anxiety issues a 50/50 strain converted into oil would be perfect in this case or an Indica dominant oil but try to stay around a 50/50 blend as full on Indica all the time puts one in a depressed state. RSO works on brain cancer. It is important also to have some CBD oil also. It can be blended or used 'solo' with your other oil to shrink the tumor/tumors in your brain while the THC is killing the cancer cells. Your blood pressure is very low and that is something that will have to be monitored as the oil also controls blood pressure. For example; your taking your meds and oil at the same time and when you get up you fill dizzy. Taper down on your propranolol. After you learn to tack the oil properly (no euphoria) and start increasing your dosage you will have to adjust and taper down on the manmade med. Do you have any info on the oil you are using now? Potency/strain types etc.?

You definitely want to change anything that gives you 'I'm going to die' thoughts. Pretty much that is what euphoria does as you just dwell on your cancer especially for those with high anxiety. Taking the oil correctly through gum absorption eliminates the high. If you have any issues trying to learn to 'tack' let us know. Its important especially with brain cancer to get it right as you don't want tumors getting bigger. Are you experiencing seizures of any sort? Any questions you have, any advice, we can walk you through the healing process from start to finish and take away some of the stress and unknowns you might have. Hope this helps.

420 Motoco

 

[hjg721]

The oil I have now is a blend of both with I believe 55% THC and 14% CBD. It was gifted to me so I am using that until I find some other oil. Are there instructions on how to use the tacking method? I have no seizures. I think that is due to the location of the tumor. I was just concerned with my blood pressure that it might just go dangerously low all of a sudden and I die... (I'm a worrier so this is my main concern). I have tried to get off of the medicine but my doctor would not taper me off because she said getting off of a beta blocker most be done very carefully as not to cause heart attacks since it controls blood flow to the heart. Since I'm already super worried about it I know that I am going to panic at the first sign of euphoria. I have felt it a little with the suppositories, but I was able to shake it off. I take supplements, etc as I am doing some other alternative treatments. I take high doses of curcumin (turmeric) and I read where this can block the CB receptors and not to take it with the oil?

 

[420 Motoco]

The dosing instructions are on the first page of this thread. You can follow the instructions. I'm just curious why your Dr. is keeping your blood pressure this low? A caution on worrying so much about euphoria; Some people worry about the 'high' so much at every little feeling they think they are getting high and because of that the oil doesn't work because in your mind you're always having negative thoughts instead of positive. The best way to look at using the oil is it will kill cancer, you want to kick its ass and no matter what this alone will outway thinking of getting high. Also if you try to tack properly the euphoric will be like the suppositories. This being said the mission is not to get high, period. Do it correctly and take control of the oil. It is that simple! I assume you're taking turmeric for inflammation (help shrink the tumors?) The CBD's in your oil will be much more effective for inflammation/shrinking if its the percentage you say it is. I think you got the info offline when ingesting the oil/suppositories etc., as there is no research available through gum absorption. Your taking the oil bioavailability (ingesting) and when 'tacking' its is via bioaccessibility (bloodstream). The only thing that fits into the receptors keyway is cannabinoids. Important to have a regimen in place and take the oil correctly. What is your dosing regimen in place now?

We can judge by the oil you have now (if the stats are correct to get information on what type of oil you should look for coming up). Also keep in mind you do not want to run out of oil. Keep this in mind planning your healing itinerary. Here is a great example of starting correctly. Cannabis Oil Dosing Tutorial: Tacking Method of course you don't have to do all the steps but just showing you that ba2bb did not want to get euphoric also.

The oil I have now is a blend of both with I believe 55% THC and 14% CBD. It was gifted to me so I am using that until I find some other oil. Are there instructions on how to use the tacking method? I have no seizures. I think that is due to the location of the tumor. I was just concerned with my blood pressure that it might just go dangerously low all of a sudden and I die... (I'm a worrier so this is my main concern). I have tried to get off of the medicine but my doctor would not taper me off because she said getting off of a beta blocker most be done very carefully as not to cause heart attacks since it controls blood flow to the heart. Since I'm already super worried about it I know that I am going to panic at the first sign of euphoria. I have felt it a little with the suppositories, but I was able to shake it off. I take supplements, etc as I am doing some other alternative treatments. I take high doses of curcumin (turmeric) and I read where this can block the CB receptors and not to take it with the oil?

 

[hjg721]

Well I wasn't put on the meds of blood pressure. I was put on for heart palpitations and anxiety. I've never had high blood pressure anyway. The doctor just doesn't want to take me off because of side effects of taking me off. Getting off can cause such severe things to happen and unfortunately I've had it in my system for 8 years. I'm really pretty mad that I was ever put on it and I was ignorant as to what all it did. I take it in the morning and then when I wake up say the next morning my heart is racing until I take the meds. I'm really more afraid of something going wrong with the heart rate/blood pressure side of things than the high though. I used to be able to smoke and be fine and then all of a sudden one day when I smoked I had extreme panic attacks and then stopped because it was not fun. I have been taking a rice grain size three times a day via suppository method. Would it be a good idea to take Citicoline along with the tacking method?

 

[CajunCelt]

Hi Folks,

Week 3 started April 20, 2015.

My new dose schedule for week 3 is as follows:

Using daytime concentrated oil

1st dose; after breakfast (for me it is 10am), tack two ¼ grain dots (back to back) wait 15 min. then tack ½ grain thoroughly.

2nd dose; 2 hours after breakfast (noon), tack two ¼ grain dots (back to back) wait 15 min. then tack ½ grain thoroughly.

3rd dose; 2 hours after lunch (2pm), tack two ¼ grain dots (back to back) wait 15 min. then tack ½ grain thoroughly.

4th dose; 4 hours after lunch (4pm), tack two ¼ grain dots (back to back) wait 15 min. then tack ½ grain thoroughly.

Using nighttime concentrated oil

5th dose; 2 hours before bed (8pm), tack 2 ¼ grain dots (back to back) wait 15 min. then tack ½ grain thoroughly.

I am feeling great. And no euphoria!

Thanks to Motoco and Mo,
ba2bb

That's pretty close to my regimen as well.
Good job, keep fighting.

 

[CajunCelt]

Well I wasn't put on the meds of blood pressure. I was put on for heart palpitations and anxiety. I've never had high blood pressure anyway. The doctor just doesn't want to take me off because of side effects of taking me off. Getting off can cause such severe things to happen and unfortunately I've had it in my system for 8 years. I'm really pretty mad that I was ever put on it and I was ignorant as to what all it did. I take it in the morning and then when I wake up say the next morning my heart is racing until I take the meds. I'm really more afraid of something going wrong with the heart rate/blood pressure side of things than the high though. I used to be able to smoke and be fine and then all of a sudden one day when I smoked I had extreme panic attacks and then stopped because it was not fun. I have been taking a rice grain size three times a day via suppository method. Would it be a good idea to take Citicoline along with the tacking method?

Sounds like you need an indica with CBD. Maybe a 2:1 ratio.
If you fine tune the strain & dosing but still get euphoria causing anxiety, Citicoline may be a choice.
It's fairly rare, but some get almost an allergic reaction to THC. They are the one really using the Cito.
I would ensure you have an indica dom mixed at 2:1 with CBD. Tack as usual & try for at least 2 weeks.
Take it slow on upping the dosage too.
Vitamin B12 & believe it or not, black pepper are some other ingredients to get on top of the euphoria/anxiety.

 

[OldGrumpy]

... This thread was designed mainly for 'cancer' treatments. ...

The tacking thread is one of the few threads on any forum that I check regularly since so much good info and finally found a good way to tack ... using the method rfrains2014 explained in post #1087.

Anyway since this is a 'cancer' thread, do you know of any similar thread that would be relevant for RSO tacking for chronic pain (lumbar osteoarthritis with neuropathic pain et al) to help me get off of a dangerous mix of opiate + muscle relaxant + anti-inflammatory meds that have some unwanted fatal side effects ... don't want to get this thread off track. Not looking for smoking, dabbing, stoner-dominant threads ... an RSO/tacking type thread focused on the user's needs as opposed to the ones I find dominated by 'editorializing' about how wasted/blasted one got last night. ::

 

[CajunCelt]

The tacking thread is one of the few threads on any forum that I check regularly since so much good info and finally found a good way to tack ... using the method rfrains2014 explained in post #1087.

Anyway since this is a 'cancer' thread, do you know of any similar thread that would be relevant for RSO tacking for chronic pain (lumbar osteoarthritis with neuropathic pain et al) to help me get off of a dangerous mix of opiate + muscle relaxant + anti-inflammatory meds that have some unwanted fatal side effects ... don't want to get this thread off track. Not looking for smoking, dabbing, stoner-dominant threads ... an RSO/tacking type thread focused on the user's needs as opposed to the ones I find dominated by 'editorializing' about how wasted/blasted one got last night. ::

Oh no, this is NOT a cancer thread.
This is a chronic illness, healing from most issues thread.
Please keep posting. I see what your specific needs are & so will others.
We don't discuss dabbing & stuff here unless it's a specific treatment. This is not a getting high/stoner thread. This is truly medicinal here my friend.

For your issues,
My opinion would be to use a topical ointment, salve, tincture to stop the chronic pain as well as dosing with the oil.
If you need a recipe for a topical application, let us know.

 

[olderthandirt]

... relevant for RSO tacking for chronic pain (lumbar osteoarthritis with neuropathic pain et al) to help me get off of a dangerous mix of ...

...
For your issues,
My opinion would be to use a topical ointment, salve, tincture to stop the chronic pain as well as dosing with the oil.
If you need a recipe for a topical application, let us know.

I'm dealing with much the same issues as cvhovey.
Advanced degenerative disk, bone spurs, fractured vertabrae... all that fun old fart stuff (-:

I've been smoking high CBD, Indica dominant strains (anxiety is me middle name) and up to this point the most benefit I've gotten has been a good nights sleep.

No complaint with that mind, but I am hoping to realize functional relief during the day.

Would one of ya'll care to touch on types of topical meds and their use for pain relief?
Also, I've read that CBD may well promote bone growth. Any thoughts as to a general dosage amount and schedule when it comes to tacking with bone remodeling in mind?

TIA

 

[OldGrumpy]

Oh no, this is NOT a cancer thread.
This is a chronic illness, healing from most issues thread.
Please keep posting. ...

For your issues,
My opinion would be to use a topical ointment, salve, tincture to stop the chronic pain as well as dosing with the oil.
If you need a recipe for a topical application, let us know.

I'm dealing with much the same issues as cvhovey.
Advanced degenerative disk, bone spurs, fractured vertabrae... all that fun old fart stuff (-:

I've been smoking high CBD, Indica dominant strains (anxiety is me middle name) and up to this point the most benefit I've gotten has been a good nights sleep.

No complaint with that mind, but I am hoping to realize functional relief during the day....

Thanks cajuncelt ... and I sure hear ya olderthandirt. Let me see if I can condense my 'fun old fart stuff' into 25 words or less ... nah, lets try for 25 pages or less.::

Advanced degenerative disk, LOTS of bone spurs, severe disc hernia et al did their stuff for around 7 years until I could get a medical practitioner to believe there was a problem with my back and then do some x-rays that figuratively dropped their jaw as to how bad things were. Surgery 'fixed' the severe disc hernia and follow-up surgery was done from L2 down to S1 to deal with many bone spurs that were pinching nerves. By that point, tho, lots of nerve damage was done, so add in neuropathic pain.

Obviously I don't want to rely upon the opiate + muscle relaxant + anti-inflammatory mix of meds. The fine print on some of that stuff includes sudden death from either heart attack or stomach/intestinal perforation. Yeah ... NOT!

Topicals so far have been of limited benefit even when I make my own. A SPECT scan done recently showed my lumbar spine looking much like some raging beach bonfires during (college) Spring break. [SPECT scan: nuclear imaging to create 3D image with radioactive tracer gravitating to 'hot spots'.] Some of my worst spots are on the interior side of the spine, not readily accessible to topicals.

Although some of the tinctures, coconut oil canna-caps or e-cig vape 'juice' I make help a bit, they are of shorter duration than RSO. Everything else I've tried to date I've gotten about 4-5 hrs max sleep before pain makes it impossible to sleep more. Fortunately a (CBD?) 'Critical Mass' RSO I recently got from a dispensary (THC 67 / CBD 24) shows promise for a FULL night of sleep. So I'm going to be (legally) growing some similar Indica dominant strains / CBD Indica to make my own nighttime RSO.

However, daytime I'm still trying to find something that works. One perk of old fart-hood is not having to clock into a job or be concerned about drug testing. Yet I still want to be out-and-about daytime without acting like I was whiffing laughing gas or something. A Cannatonic RSO (THC 36 / CBD 43) that I thought would give pain relief daytime seems to make me tense/anxious so instead of getting pain relief, my back ends up hurting a little more from this RSO. And I agonizingly wait for the unpleasant affects to wear off over a span of around 8+ hours. Similarly a "Sativa" RSO (unknown strain at THC 85 / CBD 0.3) isn't much different than the Cannatonic.

If I can find some strain(s) that work for daytime use without mind-bending, couchlock, increasing my blood pressure (already on b/p meds) or increasing anxiety/tension, that would be great. Then I'd grow a couple of those strains ... but right now I'm batting 0.00 when it comes to daytime choices. "Advice" from dispensaries is about useless since all the suggestions I've gotten to date are based on what they have on their shelves if they even have any clue at all (or just what is most profitable to them).

Any suggestions for daytime choices considering the above?

 

[420 Motoco]

Well I wasn't put on the meds of blood pressure. I was put on for heart palpitations and anxiety. I've never had high blood pressure anyway. The doctor just doesn't want to take me off because of side effects of taking me off. Getting off can cause such severe things to happen and unfortunately I've had it in my system for 8 years. I'm really pretty mad that I was ever put on it and I was ignorant as to what all it did. I take it in the morning and then when I wake up say the next morning my heart is racing until I take the meds. I'm really more afraid of something going wrong with the heart rate/blood pressure side of things than the high though. I used to be able to smoke and be fine and then all of a sudden one day when I smoked I had extreme panic attacks and then stopped because it was not fun. I have been taking a rice grain size three times a day via suppository method. Would it be a good idea to take Citicoline along with the tacking method?

No Citicoline is needed.

 

[420 Motoco]

@ cvhovey; Blue Dream 70/30 cut is an excellent daytime oil, AK47, Sour Diesel, Gorrilla Glue, etc. If you take the oil correctly all the things you mentioned are treatable. The daytime oil should have CBD in it as well. 2 ounces of Sativa to 1 ounce of CBD is a great ratio to keep you pain free, alert with a wellness feeling. As close to pure Indica as you can get for night time and you will feel the best in a long time. You want your Sativas harvested at peak THC, for me right when they start turning milky.Hope you don't mind the intrusion

 

[hjg721]

Okay, I followed the directions and I'm pretty much always available. Thanks.

 

[OldGrumpy]

@ cvhovey; Blue Dream 70/30 cut is an excellent daytime oil, AK47, Sour Diesel, Gorrilla Glue, etc. ... Hope you don't mind the intrusion

Definitely not an intrusion ... thanks!

This is exactly the kind of info I was hoping to find. What I'd heard of Blue Dream, AK47, etc ... guess I jumped to the conclusion they'd leave me feeling uncomfortable. But after digging more into these based on your suggestion, the affects (or is that effects?) look very promising.

This coming week when we're in town for some appointments, I'll try to get some Blue Dream or AK47 (and one of those clones ... until I have those seeds) so I can make some daytime RSO. I'll be sure to make this RSO using the ratio you suggested.

Again ... thanks!

 

[CajunCelt]

I'm dealing with much the same issues as cvhovey.
Advanced degenerative disk, bone spurs, fractured vertabrae... all that fun old fart stuff (-:

I've been smoking high CBD, Indica dominant strains (anxiety is me middle name) and up to this point the most benefit I've gotten has been a good nights sleep.

No complaint with that mind, but I am hoping to realize functional relief during the day.

Would one of ya'll care to touch on types of topical meds and their use for pain relief?
Also, I've read that CBD may well promote bone growth. Any thoughts as to a general dosage amount and schedule when it comes to tacking with bone remodeling in mind?

TIA

Tia,
I would recommend a salve/ointment applied topically for pain relief as well. Add the tacking & you should feel relief at least.
I've not encountered actual bone development, but the tacking of the oil should balance/regulate most issues.

As mentioned previously, if you need a "recipe" for a salve, shout out.