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Thanks for your reply fightsmallcell, My husband has prostate cancer so I am sure that is what Motoco was referring to. I listed the strains I have acccess to in my original post pg 47. Are you familiar with the strains? any input on what to mix for best results would be very appreciated. Most of the strains are hybrid. My CBD crew is indica dominant tested at 10% cbd. I also have some respect which is sativa but has lower cbd maybe 4%. I may be a little confused but I was under the impression that the less thc% the less oil you will get. The higher thc% strains will yield more oil. But I would think the thc % would be the same in the oil regardless of the thc% in the bud just the yield would vary ?
Hi Hiker,
Pleasure to make your acquaintance.
I don't mean to be so argumentative so please don't mistake my tact here as just being a stubborn A.H. although at times that may accurately describe me. I just love a good debate!
Look really closely at the picture of those gums. There isn't any oil there. Cannabis oil isn't grey. The grey area is tissue that has been repeatedly exposed to a substance that has altered the color of the gum tissue.
Substances that enter your blood stream do not discriminate. They flow through you entire system doing what they will. This includes THC.
You illustrate my main beef with methods and conclusions such as you describe.
#1. You admit you don't know or completely understand the specifics of how this method actually works.
#2. You admit to not having personal experience as to whether this method prevents a euphoric feeling.
You are simply passing along what may very well be misinformation, not necessarily though, to people that will take it as the gospel simply because they read it here and they really want it to be so.
The thing is, and this particularly applies to cannabis oil, people will believe darn near anything you tell them, especially if it sounds like something they already believe in.
I actually just broke out a syringe of my Cannatonic Cannabis Oil and applied some to my gums. The oil color is a very dark amber and there is clearly something stuck to my gums, not just pale grey tissue as Moto's picture illustrates.
My Cannatonic oil has 30% THC and 36% CBD. I will re-visit this post and let you know if I get the usual feeling from this live experiment. If I don't feel anything I will apply some of my California Dreaming Cannabis Oil which has 74% THC and .41% CBD. I will report back here this evening with my findings.
I bet if you show that picture of the gums to a dentist or oral surgeon they will tell you those spots do not look like healthy tissue.
Looking forward to anyone's reply or input.
Peace out.
Motoco
I just spoke to my friend with colon cancer she just found out that she has lesions on her liver. Just wondering if you ever suggest tacking and also taking oil orally for liver as if it is taken with coconut oil it goes through the portal vein and is metabolized in the liver?? Another question is how much oil is required to work up to per day for cancer? In some of the 420 blog on dosing it appears that you say 1 gm a day? Igm is a whole 1cc syringe which is what Simpson prescribes. If I was understanding you correctly you said tacking 5 grains a day is enough for cancer Is that correct?
You illustrate my main beef with methods and conclusions such as you describe.
#1. You admit you don't know or completely understand the specifics of how this method actually works.
#2. You admit to not having personal experience as to whether this method prevents a euphoric feeling.
Sorry c2go but if medicinal is your business you should do a bit more research, using the buccal method, or 'tacking' avoides 'first pass' When you consume marijuana in an ingestible form, its THC is metabolized by the liver, which converts it to 11-hydroxy-THC. This active metabolite is particularly effective in crossing the blood-brain barrier, resulting in a more intense high. Inhaled THC undergoes a different metabolic process because rather than passing through the stomach and then the liver, the THC travels directly to the brain. This is why the effects of smoked or vaporized marijuana come on faster and diminish quickly.
I would like to hear how you got on with your experiment
Mr Motoco and fightsmallcell. Thankyou! my son has gone 2 weeks without a seizure and is in a great frame of mind x x x
Sorry c2go but if medicinal is your business you should do a bit more research, using the buccal method, or 'tacking' avoides 'first pass' When you consume marijuana in an ingestible form, its THC is metabolized by the liver, which converts it to 11-hydroxy-THC. This active metabolite is particularly effective in crossing the blood-brain barrier, resulting in a more intense high. Inhaled THC undergoes a different metabolic process because rather than passing through the stomach and then the liver, the THC travels directly to the brain. This is why the effects of smoked or vaporized marijuana come on faster and diminish quickly.
I would like to hear how you got on with your experiment
Mr Motoco and fightsmallcell. Thankyou! my son has gone 2 weeks without a seizure and is in a great frame of mind x x x
I apologize folks, but no laptop. As most of you know, in about to barrage you into a comfortable familiarity with the "science" behind this discussion. I just can't from this damn phone.
A primary concern is the bioavailability of this med seems like. Motoco has gotten into that & knows exactly the how's/why's. We've had many long conversations about it. I challenged him with peer reviewed, as well as double blind studies from around the world.
I quickly found out that he knew what he was doing.
I frankly told him, "Ok, let's do it your way, but I better live".
I did not. I passed away soon after, but have returned...(comedy relief).
I DID live. I'm still alive obviously.
A side note. Is there a way to put our research, files, etc. on here? I'm assuming we'll have this conversation again in the near future & I'd like to respond quickly & thoroughly.
I thought the info was around somewhere (it probably is), but it's not apparent how to get to it. I'm not reading a few hundred pages... again.
I appreciate your efforts to be polite. That being said, I'm not surprised you latched on to these issues.
#1, I should have went back and reviewed the material before posting. I DO understand why tacking works differently, and I explained it in my own, apparently inadequate, way. It's been explained since my post, but as a reminder... it has to do with proximity to the brain and the metabolic pathways of absorption via the blood vessels in the gums vs via the digestive tract.
#2, Actually that's NOT what I described. I DO have personal experience. I explained that I could not feel any euphoria myself from the oil when I tacked. I did qualified the statement by saying I have a high tolerance and I used other forms of cannabis that day. I then described my experience with my wife.
Are you married? My guess is no. If you were, I think you would understand that doing this with my wife, of 14 years, is as close as one can get to personal experience. I called it first hand experience, and still think my claim is valid. I take offense at your assertion that my oil is not potent if she didn't get "high". Myself ,and others with high tolerances, have sampled the oil, NOT by tacking, and it's potent. No, I have not had lab testing yet, but I think my testing method is valid. I get high from the oil if I vape it. My wife got high when she ingested it. She did NOT get high when she tacked the same amount correctly.
I want you to ask yourself something....
What are you hoping to accomplish with your posts on this thread?
To me, it doesn't seem like you came here with an open mind trying to learn something new. My impression is that came to this topic with preconceived ideas and a determination to find fault with this treatment method.
Please try this method for yourself. I'm looking forward to your feedback. If you're a habitual user, I think the hard part might be NOT using any other cannabis.
Hello Motoco,
I have some problems on the very beginning of my oil journey...
I don't want to bore you with details but I got my oil from a trusted source to recover from serious side-effects after taking some prescription drug which are apparently persistent according to modern medicine. I've been living with mine for 8 years now.
My oil is supposed to contain about 20 to 24% THC and CBD around 12 to 14%. Oil from the same source cured the person I know with the same issues as mine. He tried a few ways of taking it but finally decided to stick with swallowing oil-filled caps. He argues it's better this way as the oil takes the same "route" as the drug that caused our problem which was is also administered orally.
I started my regimen last week. I decided to base my routine on tacking. Since my job requires a high level of alertness and multitasking I took a month off to stay focused on my treatment. I started with one drop per day. By "drop" I mean the smallest amount I was able to push out of the syringe. It's a tiny flat ball on my fingertip.
This small drop is heated with a hairdryer and hold agains a chosen spot in my lower gums for a couple of minutes. However, I can never make it fully stick to my gums. When I take out my finger there is a stain of watered oil left covering my fingertip (it's lighter than the oil concentrate but still thick and sticky). The part that was supposed to stay in my mouth doesn't really adhere to gums and can be found on my teeth and sometimes bloating freely in saliva in my mouth.
I always made sure to suck the reminder of oil from my fingertip not to "waste" any of this cure. However I feel I need to work on my tacking procedure in order to get the most out of it.
Have you ever heard about such a case? What do I do wrong in your opinion?
Do you think it's a good idea to add an extra cap a day of oil as my frind advised?