Cannabis Oil Dosing Tutorial: Tacking Method

Hi LittleEngland,

The biggest mistake made taking the concentrated oil is rushing in and taking to much. Also you forgot to give him a '911'. When you get euphoria you simply tack a couple of SMALL dots correctly and it will bring you down. Its not how much you can take of the oil, it is how you apply it. Stay on the schedule and when learned correctly we then can proceed upping his dose. Again, not how much you take it is how much is taken correctly. Its a learning curve. Also I'm not 'telling' you what to do, its advice to get your Son to heal quickly as possible. He should need no more than 5 grains of rice a day and try to get it all on his gums. This is the key to a proper quick heal. Let me know.

420 Motoco

LittleEngland said:
Thanks Mr Motoco, I may have some 'train wreck' coming from a friend as we are running low on thecaseys widow, I thought that was a sativa but has since realised its indica.

Had a worried phone call today from my sons partner, he is trying to up his dose quite a bit while he is on the chemo so took 3 tacks early then another 3 at lunchtime. This made him quite uncomfortable as he had tingling down his right side (the side affected by his tumour) and the 'high' feelings were very similar to when he has a seizure. I got there within 10 minutes after telling him to take citicoline and he was quite anxious. I managed to talk him round and he was much better by the time I left, giggling about silly things :)

I think we went a bit far doubling the dose after a couple of days and I should have known better as I have been trying so hard to avoid him feeling bad on it. I think in any other cancer its not so bad but with brain cancer and epilepsy its very difficult having things you don't understand going on in your brain. Trainwreck is great..

If you could give me advice with this in mind I would be eternally grateful x x x
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Thankyou so much for the quick reply x x x

I did try to get him to take some of the high cbd oil but he was feeling sick and would not entertain the idea of taking anymore. We have some non decarboxylated high cbd oil that he may take after some food in a bit.

He seems better because he has just sent his partner out for 'hobnobs' (choccy biscuits) incase he gets the munchies : He has never done this before (got high) so its a learning curve for him as well as me... I have smoked in the past but rarely enjoyed it because I had anxiety issues and was always needed to do something.
 
Had to run some errands. Heavy nausea from chemo plus taking the oil incorrectly makes it worse. Using high cbd oil that hasn't been decarboxylated? Probably CO2 oil made for vaping, NOT for dosing as it doesn't pass through the blood brain barrier. I see a lot of confusion going on. The KEY is to learning the correct way and the correct amount. We will keep it very simply and will only focus on 'tacking'. So much mis-information out there and I see why your so confused.

LittleEngland said:
Thankyou so much for the quick reply x x x

I did try to get him to take some of the high cbd oil but he was feeling sick and would not entertain the idea of taking anymore. We have some non decarboxylated high cbd oil that he may take after some food in a bit.

He seems better because he has just sent his partner out for 'hobnobs' (choccy biscuits) incase he gets the munchies : He has never done this before (got high) so its a learning curve for him as well as me... I have smoked in the past but rarely enjoyed it because I had anxiety issues and was always needed to do something.
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Thanks :)

The oil was made by Scott Blakey he is well known in europe and runs cbd crew. It is for epilepsy and everything else that doesn't need thc very high cbd content without any high unless you heat it.

Thankyou so much for your time and wisdom x x x
 
Hi, I'm so sorry I thought I had replied to this, busy day yesterday as we had visitors and also have today. I wonder if we can chat over the weekend?

I definitely need some more advice on this as after wednesdays over dosing he has felt very sedated everytime he takes it, even with half the dose that had no effect previously and is now reluctant to tack :/ He is also very nauseous the first day he was off his food but he ate well the 2nd day.
 
No worries, the weekend will be fine. If he is not taking the oil correctly it would be wise to stop until he does. Just so you know though make sure to look at the side effects of chemo. The oil will give you sedated/euphoric if taken incorrectly and it can also take the side effects of chemo and amplify them also which is nausea, loss of appetite, low grade fevers, diarrhea among others. This is really the reason disliking chemo. It has so many side effects people think it is the oil. Taken correctly the oil will help immensely not only with the side effects but killing cancer cells also. This is important to get back on track and with a correct dosing regimen. Remember, it is not how much you take, its how you take it. Consuming large amounts of the concentrate is a waste, cause severe euphoria simply because you cannot control it on your gums. Take some deep breaths, regroup, get it right and things will become much smoother. Easier said than done I know, but, anxiety/stress is not conducive to healing. Make sure you get rested also.

Best regards
420 Motoco
 
I know you said the bud was fresh but I thought it was cured after harvest. Best of luck.

I'm won't be on the forums today. Much needed day of rest.

Motoco

LittleEngland said:
Ooh I Love a nice cup of tea :)

I dried the bud last night and barely got an ounce! Will be talking to my 'friend' later but am going to put off making the oil until this is sorted. I will let you know x x x
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420 Motoco said:
I know you said the bud was fresh but I thought it was cured after harvest. Best of luck.

I'm won't be on the forums today. Much needed day of rest.

Motoco
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I hope you have a lovely restful day x x x

The bud was just cut so very green, I have been given quite a bit more so hope it will work out ok. Hope to make the oil tomorrow now :) I have read you post re making it and will read it again before I start. Lots of silly little things don't translate and make it a little hard to read but I think I get it, quarts and cups etc have to be googled lol

My son is feeling the effects of the chemo more now, tired and sick and he had a couple of seizures yesterday after 10 days without so is a little despondent :( I wanted to ask if you if you treat anyone with epilsepsy and whether high thc or high cbd is best for that?

Best Wishes x x x
 
Just to update, I got the bud sorted and now have 5oz of super dry Train Wreck :)

My son is not feeling up to chatting at the moment :( sorry but he is nauseous and very tired and not feeling like doing much at all, he is losing faith a bit after having a couple of seizures at the weekend. lets hope we can bring him out of it with the Sativa dominant oil :)

Can you give me some advice on dosage? does he just take one small tack like you showed me in the morning of the train wreck and a higher cbd indica at night?

Much Love x x x
 
Also one small question regarding decarboxylating in the oil bath, why organic olive oil? surely its just going to be warmed and can be used again but will have no contact with the oil? by your pictures it looked like the hole in your little pan could leak oil into the olive oil ?

Sorry if its a silly question, I am making my oil and just having a filter break :)

Another couple of things that came to me.... do you not use muslin or cheese cloth and why not? and would you ever use plastic funnels? I am not but it would make it easier if I could use cloth and I only have 2 metal funnels so would be quicker if I could use my 3rd plastic one.

Back to the pot...... :)

x x x
 
Also is is safe to decarb indoors? its getting chilly outside and will be minus 3 later :/

Sorry if this should be in the 'how to' thread but I am busy filtering ;)

P.S. It seems to be 6.25 am in Cali now so I don't mind if you don't answer for a bit its 2.25 in the afternoon here x x x
 
Hi LittleEngland,

Yes, in my community I have helped some folks with epilepsy. Its the same blend I use for most everything. 2-1 ratio THC/CBD. I've also have used just straight THC oil also. So far the results have been stunning. Absolutely no seizures while on the oil. No tincture, no sub-lingual drops, no digesting. Cannabis concentrated oil tacked properly and they take a grain of rice a day.

I understand your Son's condition's. You should try to tack the oil you making then. He has already gotten euphoric and doesn't want that. I fear if he gets euphoric again he won't use it. If no one knows how to do it properly that will happen again. Yes, start him off with 2 small dots, tacked properly until its all gone. Remember the oil moves on the finger tip so when you pull your finger out, see where it has moved and reapply until its completely gone. If you need a refresher, no worries. Trainwreck during the day (unless its to uppity, which can be toned down by a small dot of nighttime) and the CBD/Indica at nighttime. During the day instead of 2 dots 5 times a day the first couple of days lets make it 1 dot five times a day. At night only 2 dots, 1 after dinner and the other 1 hour before bed. Lets do this and when he learns correctly to tack in a couple of days we can move forward. This will be his dosing regimen all the time the amount will be adjusted.

Congrats on getting the trainwreck taken care of.

In the 'making the oil tutorial' some folks used muslin/cheese cloth and didn't filter the oil correctly so when decarboxylating the product was popping ect. and didn't turn out well. Coffee filters work with much more efficiency even though it takes longer.

The little pan I have the oil in the picture has the holes drilled in it for the handle I made. The oil in the decarboxylation pan is below the holes and doesn't boil/move at 250 degrees.
 
Good Morning Mr Motoco :)

Thanks for that, I have sent the dose info to my son :)

Having another filter break, can you tell me if decarb inside is safe?

Last batch I made (have only done 2 small ones and a 2nd wash for topicals) looked a lot thicker than yours, in the pan it was dark and thick. I noticed Mrs Motoco's oil looked more like clean engine oil consistency where as mine looks like axle grease lol Is this because you leave an amount of solvent in there before decarbing?

I can't Thank you enough for your help x x x
 
Afternoon LittleEngland,

Yes, decarbing inside is safe. Only a little amount of alcohol is left. My oil is thick as tar also but by freezing the flower (when completely dry) and getting the alcohol down to zero along with doing a quick wash two times under 4-5 minutes it doesn't pull as much chlorophyll/plant wax/sugars so it cleaner. This takes practice and will get easier and easier. Also the flash from the camera made it more transparent. So the lighter color will come :)
 
420 Motoco said:
Afternoon LittleEngland,

Yes, decarbing inside is safe. Only a little amount of alcohol is left. My oil is thick as tar also but by freezing the flower (when completely dry) and getting the alcohol down to zero along with doing a quick wash two times under 4-5 minutes it doesn't pull as much chlorophyll/plant wax/sugars so it cleaner. This takes practice and will get easier and easier. Also the flash from the camera made it more transparent. So the lighter color will come :)
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Your very welcome.
 
My son is feeling much better today and tacked a small amount of the new oil, no negative effects and he is much more cheerful :) He read the advice about 5 tacks a day and (at the moment) doesn't think he will be able to do it. He hates all the meds he has to take and the whole regimen, especially on chemo as it is a nightmare working out when he can eat, foof before some meds, none before others gets really difficult but I pointed out when we get this right he will only have to take the oil twice a day. I will keep working on him ;)

He did have questions though like, what do you use to dry your gums and how do you transport your oil when out for the day or away for a week?

Much Love x x x
 
Good news! I understand all the meds and the side effects that go with chemo/meds. One thing you might want to point out all though the concentrated cannabis oil is bitter tasting it will do this; manage the side effects of chemo/meds, kill cancer cells, repair glands and the auto immune system. When your son feels nausea or any feeling besides normal all he needs to do is 'tack' a small dot in between doses. He doesn't need to be doing five doses right now. Lets get him used to 'tacking' properly first (no more than three times a day) unless as mentioned, if he needs a little booster. One thing I want to mention again; the oil will always make you feel better but you have to hydrate with water and snack in between meals even if its only a cracker/cheese like.

Use a wash cloth/napkin/paper towel to dry the bottom gums. Try to avoid using the top gums as the oil drains down easier (gravity).
I use Goo Balls/mini. A small silicone ball that comes apart, keep some oil in it and use as needed on the road. They come in a small plastic jar with 4 goo balls (about 12.00 u.s. dollars). I always keep one in the glove box as use as needed, never know when you need it. I rotate every month, use up the old when replenished with the new. I keep a flat wooden toothpick next to it to dip a dose.

Please pass on to your son; put up with all the discomforts your experiencing now and with the right use of the oil this will be over in a few months. Hang tough and he is in Mo and I thoughts.

Hope your doing o.k. LittleEngland, it takes its toll on all. But notice his demeanor will change on the daytime oil. Keep in mind if he needs an appetite boost, tack a small dot of Indica 30 minutes before eating, keep the dose below the root line on the bottom gum. One final mention again; feeling worst? take a small booster. Once he really knows the oil it will become so much easier.

Warmest regards,
Motoco

LittleEngland said:
My son is feeling much better today and tacked a small amount of the new oil, no negative effects and he is much more cheerful :) He read the advice about 5 tacks a day and (at the moment) doesn't think he will be able to do it. He hates all the meds he has to take and the whole regimen, especially on chemo as it is a nightmare working out when he can eat, foof before some meds, none before others gets really difficult but I pointed out when we get this right he will only have to take the oil twice a day. I will keep working on him ;)

He did have questions though like, what do you use to dry your gums and how do you transport your oil when out for the day or away for a week?

Much Love x x x
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Thankyou Mr Motoco, I hope you had a good Thanksgiving, things are going much better with the new oil and he is feeling so much better :)

I have found 'slick balls' in the UK so he will be getting them for Christmas ;)

Small question, he says the new oil is perfect for tacking but the high cbd oil is very runny and rips into his mouth. I don't know why I am making them the same, any advice?
 
Hi LittleEngland,
Welcome to 420 and I am so glad you found your way here to our dear Motoco. I just now got caught up with your story and would just like to say I am so very sorry for your son's diagnosis and am very interested in his journey with the oil. I am all too familiar with astrocytoma as I am a surgical nurse. I applaud the way you have stayed the course of talking your young man into trying this oil. I know and feel your pain of some of what you are going through with the changes your son is going through do to the tumor, multiple seizures and the effects of radiation and chemo. He has a uphill battle to fight and having you behind him is going to make a positive difference. I just wanted to add my support for you and your family. Keep asking your questions as you are doing and stay with it. The rewards will be wonderful. Here is hoping that you will eventually post that he ran in that marathon. And please remember to take care of yourself also. :-)
Peace to you and your family.
 
Good to hear he is loving the 'daytime' oil. The answer to your question is simple; your trainwreck has much more THC than the CBD strain so it will be thicker. Also high CBD strains pull 2 grams of oil instead of lets say 4 grams of high THC strains. Also few growers if any grow high CBD strains correctly. Why? Harlequin for an example; grown correctly, full term it takes an extra 4 weeks of flower time compared to 8 weeks on the norm. When grown full term the trichomes get much heavier which makes the oil thicker. Hope this helps. What you could do to verify if the CBD oil is decent (high in CBD) is to try a 'tack' yourself and see if it takes away any pain quickly, same test for your Son. Just so glad to hear his daytime oil is working for him. Tell him Mo and I said Hi and best wishes to him and family. Also a final mention, Indica is normally the thickest oil if grown correctly.

Motoco

LittleEngland said:
Thankyou Mr Motoco, I hope you had a good Thanksgiving, things are going much better with the new oil and he is feeling so much better :)
rown properly also.

I have found 'slick balls' in the UK so he will be getting them for Christmas ;)

Small question, he says the new oil is perfect for tacking but the high cbd oil is very runny and rips into his mouth. I don't know why I am making them the same, any advice?
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