CA215 Indoor #3

[GeorgeFoster]

What are your thoughts on using Epsom after wk 3 in flower King?

 

[CA215]

That looks like a minor overfeed issue

Yessire tis what I am thinking. I am leaning on too much P, and with out my phing I am thinking that the iron may be getting locked out, definitely looks like some sort of potassium issue as well. Yikes!

Using epsom after week 3 of flower isn't your best choice.

1 tsp per gallon and a light watering is what greened mine up 2 weeks ago on the flip.

I am using FFOF and nutes but every indoor grow I have had shows this as I get ready to flip em..the epsom works everytime.

Are you using blackstrap yet? is contains traces of mag that may help green it up too.

I use it 1tsp per gal between nute feeds all through out flower, sometimes every feeding.

I use 3 gallon pots and give each a drink nutes or water a 1/2 gal every other day now.

Doesn't look to bad but keep an eye on it.....that one yellow leaf kinda shaded under the rest with the brown spots on it to me says mag def.

Like I keep pointing out, I am not a pro so the advice is to be taken in that respect.

I have a mix of soils in there at the moment, ffof and vermifire. Tend to use the blackstrap at 1tsp as you do every other watering, sometimes back to back. I really feel like the molasses is a very easy going additive, love it! That leaf is tricky, I am thinking mg also, but it looks almost to me more of a potassium issue. And now that I think of it, maybe it could be too much potash in my mixes..

I did some research last night and found a thread where a vet grower explains his use with Epsom salts, he uses it 2-3 times during a plants life cycle (but usually twice as the 3rd is just in case there is more deficiencies or lock outs). He would first use it around 2-3 weeks before flower to get a good flush and be able to load the soil up with some new fresh N to last the girls half way through flower. The second increment he uses a 4 weeks flower (at a lower amount of water) to again flush the girls pots out abit followed by a light nute dose to make sure they don't get hungry, & the follow up feeding days will be a full force all you can eat dinner, from his explanation The only thing that wasn't specified is how much water and how much Epsom he was using in his water. I have seen people say tsp and tbsp, which is a massive difference.

I think I will give it a go, 4 gallons with 4 tsp Epsom, followed by a splash of a nute mix (I should start a dang tea) of about a gallon to flush through afterwards.

I am still chalking all my grows up to experience and knowledge, and if buds make it to harvest I will be one happy camper

here is a nutrient availability chart


here is a cannabis leaf deficiency chart


here is the Cannabis Plant and Pest Problem Solver and the Plant Abuse Chart
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Yo KJC Thanks much! This one you have seems to be updated, saved to desktop

What are your thoughts on using Epsom after wk 3 in flower King?

Any thoughts on the subject KJC? If I recall I have seen John use espom salts at times, for that matter if anyone has any input on the Epsom salt discussion feel free to post away!

 

[KingJohnC]

I would only use Epsom Salts (Magnesium Sulphate) to either treat a deficiency or part of a calcium and magnesium supplement. If supplementing calcium and magnesium you should discontinue use 3 weeks prior to harvest.

 

[CA215]

Perfect, thanks for that KJC! Just checked on the girls and they are still a bit damp, going to give them another day to really dry out. Going to do some more research into Epsom during flowering

 

[KingJohnC]

Epsom Salts can be used at 1 teaspoon per gallon, and up to 2 teaspoons per gallon for a bad deficiency.

 

[GeorgeFoster]

Thanks for clarifying King appreciate that

 

[Mono]

Flowers are looking mighty fine there CA! Coming along leaps and bounds.

 

[CA215]

Thanks for the kind words fellow 420maggoers

Yesterday the 21st I ended up giving in and "trying" to fix my girls, which from this morning it looks like I may have done an OK job (but still too soon to tell), at least they were dead this morning when I checked on em

I ended up attempting a light flush/feeding on each plant (some more than others due to the weight of pots and moisture content, so some actually just acquired a watering with barely any runoff) which contained in 3 gallons roughly under 3 tsp Epsom salt, dash of botanicare calmag, and a small dash about 5-10ml of some microbe life nutrient uptake which contains a lot of good microbes and humic goodies. This mix ph'd at 6.3, I continued to pour through the girls and decided to check the run off of off the girls with the most issues, which read at 6.0-.1ph. From what I have read this is okay to have a little shift in pH and be a few hundreds under on the ppm, looks like the girls could be a little hungry?

So after that watering I decided to do another follow up watering with about 2 gallons of ro water straight from the filter which ran at 7.3 as we are not phing anymore, run off comes out again 6.0ph... I was a little mind fkd at the beginning to be honest but racked it up to the watering dripping out now was the water that was watered prior the the second.. So now I have 7.3 pH water in the soil, will this make the nutrients in those higher ranges more readily available now? My thoughts were -.2 run off on the first watering, so maybe a 7.1 pH if we were following the same -.2.. But then I think of pH buffering and think, why am I sitting here banging my head against the web browsers searching for info. Going to go attempt to find my tlo book and do some reading I need to figure this out, some parting bud shots, tent from yesterday, & remaining pineapple from the last indoor sess, this is what we are fighting for! Stay alive little ones

until next time.

 

[Mono]

Beautiful buds, growing and dry! Hope you manage to remedy your plants situation, they look better for the amendments!

Did I see some little seedlings down low in the tent?

 

[Mono]

Best wishes for you and your family CA!

Hope you have fantastic holidays buddy!

 

[mrbubbles87]

Not positive bro but I think your feed is still going in too low. I know the soil should be able to buffer the difference but I still think you should try to get up to 6.5-6.8 for your feed. If you look at the chart KC provided at 6.0 in soil your still locking out Ca and Mg. This chart was the easiest way for me to narrow my problems down. Every def my plants have is from nutrients getting locked out at too low of a PH. I


Trust me your far from having a big problem. Just look at my journal pics if you need to see a severe lockout lol. Going forward I would just try to make sure all your feeds go in at a min of 6.5. Just my two cents. I'm sure you'll get it figured out as usual.

Hope your having a good Xmas!

 

[skunkpilot]

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, to you and yours Ca215. Plants are looking great. I am having the same yellowing as you are right now. I know if I run multiple strains again, I will use separate reservoirs. It has been challenging because it seems when one strain is happy, the other one gripes about something.

 

[Lester Freeman]

Merry X-mas to you and your people J, I know you are puffing on some excellently grown X-mas nuggets. I wish you well!

 

[shottafire]

I am trying to recall what your soil is. Vermifire?

Have you been giving any ca/mg from the bottle.

My plants love the extra in the vermifire and even in super soil.

Hope you get it sorted buddy.

And a very merry christmas to you and yours.

 

[CA215]

Beautiful buds, growing and dry! Hope you manage to remedy your plants situation, they look better for the amendments!

Did I see some little seedlings down low in the tent?

Yes sir, kind of letting em be for now as they aren't part of the flowering session. I am going to start a 12/12 from seed journal once sages n hazes come down but fyi, we have some hogs, underdawgs, and mazaris, going for the indica dom round.

Best wishes for you and your family CA!

Hope you have fantastic holidays buddy!

Ditto Mono, hope you had a killer xmas brotha!

Not positive bro but I think your feed is still going in too low. I know the soil should be able to buffer the difference but I still think you should try to get up to 6.5-6.8 for your feed. If you look at the chart KC provided at 6.0 in soil your still locking out Ca and Mg. This chart was the easiest way for me to narrow my problems down. Every def my plants have is from nutrients getting locked out at too low of a PH. I


Trust me your far from having a big problem. Just look at my journal pics if you need to see a severe lockout lol. Going forward I would just try to make sure all your feeds go in at a min of 6.5. Just my two cents. I'm sure you'll get it figured out as usual.

Hope your having a good Xmas!

I am definitely thinking my issues are steming from a pH issue for sure, only issue with my ph up is, I don't have any lol. I use baking soida and to get my pH up that high I have to add a shit ton of it, which in return blows out my ppm readings.. Lol im at cross roads which are, pH my feeds and possibly kill off my microherd, or start phing and possibly fix my plants and make it to harvest. Think I am going to start phing again.. All my feeds are going to be 7.0ph, according to the chart I should be good sitting there for a decent uptake of most nutrients. At this time I am gunning for a good supersoil for my next grows and future grows in general. A great base soil is going to help me take a ton of guess work out of my situation. Hahaha, and on your last sentence. after 5 days or so I seem to have been possibly adding to the problem, check the photos damn polkadot leaves look horrible. Kind of been holding off on a update to see if I could correct the issue but it seems to be a losing battle at this current time Planning on giving the worst girl a reg pH watering to see if I can clear up some of the nutes in the root zone hope you had a great xmas brodda.

Merry X-mas to you and your people J, I know you are puffing on some excellently grown X-mas nuggets. I wish you well!

Same to you Les, hope you had a chill vape filled day. 10 bags off that Q and I needed a nap.

I am trying to recall what your soil is. Vermifire?

Have you been giving any ca/mg from the bottle.

My plants love the extra in the vermifire and even in super soil.

Hope you get it sorted buddy.

And a very merry christmas to you and yours.

Yeah we are running vermifire currently.& yes on the calmag, possibly a little too much. I was giving them some every other watering but I am thinking ph being too low was causing a lock out of a few things, although I think I went a little too heavy on the feed last time which is giving me even more issues to date. So, my new state of mind is reg ph water at 7.0, let the root zone stabilize and pull the nutrients it needs, therefore hopefully evening out the activity to allow for a proper intake and more nutes a... & where did the rest of my text go.. LOL not my morning

haze which is acting totally different to the feeds

Sages, I have found one nanner on the screened sage which I plucked off and applied some water to kill any pollen if any. Super sketchy. thinking about just cutting the screened girl down, although, she could be a good hash plant..

Some little ones, I have one which is transplanted in ffof with the vermifire supersoil on the bottom half of the pot.

That's all for now, thanks for stopping in. Any advice/comments welcome. CA

 

[CA215]

Forgot to mention this, I think the best looking sage is trying to put out some purple hues Will be good to see her transform, smells like freakin candy. Really psyched I got one good looking girl from each genetic

 

[CA215]

Here is the troubled haze,

 

[TheWizard]

Kicking some serious ass there CA!

 

[CA215]

Definitely kicked the deficient haze right in the cranium, those pictures scream "help me, get me away from CA"
Thanks for the kind words there Wiz!

 

[mrbubbles87]

Man do I ever feel your pain with the PH nonsense. I ended up ordering the earth juice ph up. Previously I had GH ph up and I had to add tons of it every feeding. The earth juice is crystals vs liquid and it only took 1tsp per gal to go from 4.5 up to 6.8! As much as I hate adding crap I can't argue with those results lol.

For me my main problem is the FF trio nutes especially the Tiger Bloom. The ph is rock bottom on this so it takes a lot of adjustment in flower. The obvious solution is dumping the nutes and getting something with a stable ph but $14 for ph up vs $100 in nutrients is an easy decision for me.

I think your on the right path aiming for 7 consistently. Unfortunately in my case it's severely affected my yields. Quality still seems on par but the ph stress stopped growth completely over 2 weeks ago and nothing has changed since. Live and ya learn right? Thank god it's only 2 out of 10 or I'd really be stressing lol


Keep up the great work bro! That porta SCROG is looking frosty