Bud Washing

I've tried my first washed produce after harvesting last week and washing as per this thread.

I'll never not do that again.

Many thanks.:goodjob:
:Namaste:

Would you mind analyzing for me what the difference was Dutty/whoever?
I feel like I'm pretty much sold on it already and I'm going to try this on the weekend.
I actually don't have access to chlorinated water so I'm going to do a bit of research and add bleach to whatever amount I need
 
Would you mind analyzing for me what the difference was Dutty/whoever? (Glad to see you finally chopping that pineapple chunk by the way).
I feel like I'm pretty much sold on it already and I'm going to try this on the weekend.
I actually don't have access to chlorinated water so I'm going to do a bit of research and add bleach to whatever amount I need

Do NOT add bleach. Use lemon juice and baking soda. If you get el cheapo brand "Real Lemon" it has sulfites, which are quite effective at killing spores and hyphae. Bleach will flavor your bud in horrible ways.

This washing is not about sterilization! It's about better tasting buds. Period. They dry just as fast, they don't mold on the wire, and they taste better.

If you think you have moldy bud use H202 like I discussed a few pages back. Chlorine isn't really necessary.

Please don't add bleach.
 
Do NOT add bleach. Use lemon juice and baking soda. If you get el cheapo brand "Real Lemon" it has sulfites, which are quite effective at killing spores and hyphae. Bleach will flavor your bud in horrible ways.

This washing is not about sterilization! It's about better tasting buds. Period. They dry just as fast, they don't mold on the wire, and they taste better.

If you think you have moldy bud use H202 like I discussed a few pages back. Chlorine isn't really necessary.

Please don't add bleach.

with the exception of Iodine, I personally try to avoid the halogens; chlorine, bromine, fluorine
 
Do NOT add bleach. Use lemon juice and baking soda. If you get el cheapo brand "Real Lemon" it has sulfites, which are quite effective at killing spores and hyphae. Bleach will flavor your bud in horrible ways.

This washing is not about sterilization! It's about better tasting buds. Period. They dry just as fast, they don't mold on the wire, and they taste better.

If you think you have moldy bud use H202 like I discussed a few pages back. Chlorine isn't really necessary.

Please don't add bleach.

Ok thanks. Sounds good. Have no mold or special desire to smoke bleach either, just got the idea that it (chlorine) was part of the recipe. When I get the time I'll do a better read through this thread.
 
Not sure how bleach came up. This lemon juice/baking soda combo is awesome.

Oops -I read the part suggesting that chlorinated water was the way to go. I thought chlorinated water contained bleach. But now I find out that chorine and bleach are not the same thing. Not sure how I missed that all these years. Yes definitely let's get bleach out of the equation- much happier to use lemon juice and baking soda.
 
...you scared the shit out of me with your bleach... I was already thinking on how to get through to you that you do not want to kill yourself or your plants that way :p


You can get cholrine in tabs for pools if you do not have it in your water and really really want it in there. I wouldnt bother tho .. baking soda and lemon juice are quite aggressive already in their reaction.



The difference is the same difference you had when you first smoked your own bud, compared to crappy street stuff. Only this time, be prepared to almost wonder if you are smoking or not .. as it will be so smooth on the throat, that you will look a few times if your joint is actually burning. This was even with a bad flush and plenty nutrients left in the buds ...

My stash is gone atm .. smoked a little too fanatical, and new ladies are not done yet .. this means I have to buy at the coffeeshop ... I am so spoiled now, that I will smoke one joint of that crap, and feel sorry I bought it, and now have to smoke it.


It's really THAT good.
 
...you scared the shit out of me with your bleach... I was already thinking on how to get through to you that you do not want to kill yourself or your plants that way :p


You can get cholrine in tabs for pools if you do not have it in your water and really really want it in there. I wouldnt bother tho .. baking soda and lemon juice are quite aggressive already in their reaction.



The difference is the same difference you had when you first smoked your own bud, compared to crappy street stuff. Only this time, be prepared to almost wonder if you are smoking or not .. as it will be so smooth on the throat, that you will look a few times if your joint is actually burning. This was even with a bad flush and plenty nutrients left in the buds ...

My stash is gone atm .. smoked a little too fanatical, and new ladies are not done yet .. this means I have to buy at the coffeeshop ... I am so spoiled now, that I will smoke one joint of that crap, and feel sorry I bought it, and now have to smoke it.


It's really THAT good.

Thanks man. Well I was just thinking a very tiny amount for sterilization, thinking this would be the same thing as chlorinated water, but NO i'm not going to do this! I'm going to try bud washing in a couple days sounds really interesting. I must say it's not something I would have ever thought of doing in a million years.
 
This is my solution. On the cold side I have a 1 stage filter that splits after filtration. 1 line straight up to the cold side faucet for clean drinking, the other side goes into the RO unit that feeds 2 reservoirs on the upper 2 floors. Doing it this away allows me to always have roughly 35 gallons of pre filtered RO on hand at all times.

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I have a similar RO filter. Yours has no problem sending water up 2 stories? I need to run a line to my kitchen. I've been hauling a couple gallons a day for drinking. :blalol:

Actually, this may be bad advice.

The principal reason that bud washing produces better results is it removes bacteria and fungi from the surface of the plants. With fewer bacteria and fungi, less rotting occurs as it dries and during storage.

It is important to use tap water with chlorine in it to kill most of the fungi and bacteria that wash off. If you use RO, or boil the chlorine out of your water, then you are creating a perfect bath to evenly spread bacteria and fungi to each and every bud. You would need to add something like peroxide to your wash water if you don't want to use chlorine. Wash tubs need to be filled with a solution toxic to bacteria and fungi for this process to work properly. Tap (potable) water kills most bacteria while, generally, being safe for us to consume. :)

Doc's method of washing is completely consistent with most commercial processing of our dried herbs and spices we eat. This process is not controversial in the herb and spice industry. The FDA provides lots of good info on this process and why it works.

The FDA recommends that harvested plants should be first washed in tap water to remove large foreign materials like soil, insects, their feces, dust (skin cells), etc. Then, a soak in some sort of aseptic bath (like water with lemon juice) should be used to kill surface bacteria and fungi. One or more final rinses in tap water are used to remove traces of the aseptic solution. They also say cold rinses are more effective than warm bath rinses at removing bacteria. Drying should occur in a dark room with still air to minimize airborne contamination.

The FDA says it's important to clean and sterilize your washing equipment between harvests. All tubs should be scrubbed with detergent and a strong chlorine rinse and allowed to dry. Never reuse old wash water for washing.

:Namaste:

Do you know the reasoning for the part I've bolded?

I use a rack that allows for good air circulation and I hang them near my veg lights. During the first days of drying, ie before the jar, I think the plant's cells continue to use up nutrients stored in the cells, so I like to have light available. I store my jars in boxes, so they cure in darkness.

My suspicion is that the commercial herb producers are not "curing" their herbs. Based on the dried herbs I buy in the store, they are drying completely, so perhaps they leave them in the drying rooms for a long time? If I was doing that, then I guess I could see wanting the space to be dark.

As to having still air to avoid contamination... I just eliminate contaminants in the first place. Isn't that one of the benefits of washing? :hmmmm:

Great info about FDA best practices though. I think Doc does a plain water before the lemon/bicarb like they are suggesting.


Hey DocBud,
do you use 4 buckets? ie plain, lemon/bicarb, plain, plain
or 3? ie wash, plain, plain


Im curious I get variables like sprays, dust, rain etc etc can make this very but in a room with no sprays and only a Lil dust from knocking out a wall at week 4 how often should buckets be changed? I tossed mine after that run so approximately 1.5 lbs.
Another thing I noticed is the viscosity or overall feeling of the water changed once I was finished is this do to the baking soda?

Thanks in advance and I definitely noticed they looked much cleaner and more plump after this.

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Those look great!

How do you think the viscosity changed? was it 'thicker'?

The unfortunate thing is that closet where I'm drying will only hold approximately 6 lbs once it's finished so I may have to use my drying room as well. I will not be washing one of my Jillybeans so I can see the difference

I've even gone as far as buying 2 cheap ass glass pipes just to test each way lol. I can already tell though with my own eyes they look better. More shiny lol and everyone likes shiny things. I can't believe in 17 years I never intentionally tried this. I did drop roughly 15lbs into a river crossing it from one of our outdoors. We saved most of it.

lol :rofl:

Hopefully your future washing ventures go better than the river crossing :blalol:

My growing book from the 90's talks about washing the buds. The idea has been around.

Oops -I read the part suggesting that chlorinated water was the way to go. I thought chlorinated water contained bleach. But now I find out that chorine and bleach are not the same thing. Not sure how I missed that all these years. Yes definitely let's get bleach out of the equation- much happier to use lemon juice and baking soda.

Whew!
Glad to see other's responded quickly.
Enjoy your clean flowers.
:Namaste:
 
Thanks man. Well I was just thinking a very tiny amount for sterilization, thinking this would be the same thing as chlorinated water, but NO i'm not going to do this! I'm going to try bud washing in a couple days sounds really interesting. I must say it's not something I would have ever thought of doing in a million years.

When I washed, I used H2O2 thinking it was a staple in the recipe. I've found the bud dried out much quicker than I anticipated which made my cure a little difficult to time as I lost so much RH in a short period of time. Be careful when using H2O2, I suggest only using it when mold is suspected.
 
When I washed, I used H2O2 thinking it was a staple in the recipe. I've found the bud dried out much quicker than I anticipated which made my cure a little difficult to time as I lost so much RH in a short period of time. Be careful when using H2O2, I suggest only using it when mold is suspected.

Thats what Doc Bud recommends too :)
 
I dropped 3 packs in each 1/3 filled jar, after they had been hanging for almost 48h .. I did tumble them daily. My packs where not the newest anymore, and they are indeed full now .. so I might have gotten lucky :p

When you say you tumbled what exactly do you mean by that? I hang branches for at least 3 or 4 days, almost to the point of stem snapping then jar. I burp several times a days, should I not be doing that? :thanks:
 
I'm thinking tumbled means shake around the jars. Anyway, your way is how I do it, basically, fwiw. In the end it all varies slightly each plant. I have a one oz auto I'm not hanging it for the same amount of time that you would anon auto or normal plant. Weather variables... the best way is slow. I had an almost two zip auto I just boxed after hanging four days, and it was crisp. But I don't water them plants Jack the last seven days anyway, so they are dry going into the dark period I put them in first. Anyway. This morning I checked it and it softened a bit. Ill leave that in a box for a few more days with hydrometer, do final trim and put in jars... now with boveda packs which help the overall end product. And the bud washing makes it all so much smoother....
 
When you say you tumbled what exactly do you mean by that? I hang branches for at least 3 or 4 days, almost to the point of stem snapping then jar. I burp several times a days, should I not be doing that? :thanks:

You're fine. Slower is usually better. I like mine to dry until the stems start to get rigid, but before they will snap. After being in the jar for 24 hours, the outter part of the buds will have softened back up, so I just burp the jars a lot to start, and then less as they get close. I tend to throw the Boveda into the jar about 3-5 days after going in.

Like peter said, it's very variable though. I go by feel and experience. My recommendation is to keep notes. I've use lab notebooks. When one is full, I put it away and start a new one. I try to record everything, date, time, comments, ie 'changed flower A res' or 'harvested 3 plants' etc. Make sure to also right down your impressions when doing smoke tests. We all think we will remember, but I know I fail miserably. Of course I treat my growing very much as a lab experiment :blalol:

After a few harvests, you will know what techniques give you the results YOU like best. There are many paths to outstanding cannabis. There are no right or wrong ways, but some ARE better than others. For example, I think washing the flowers as part of harvest makes better buds. Does this mean it's the "right" way? No. Just means it's a better, IMHO, way. :Namaste:
 
When you say you tumbled what exactly do you mean by that? I hang branches for at least 3 or 4 days, almost to the point of stem snapping then jar. I burp several times a days, should I not be doing that? :thanks:

After washing the buds, on the stalks, I trimmed them, put them on a net and left to drip dry for a little over 40 hours. I then jarred them, and made sure each jar was no more then 1/3 filled. Because the buds are fresh, they will clump together, and for a semi compact mass on the bottom. To prevent this, I rotated and gently shook the jar, to fluff them up again. I also made sure the Boveda's where all in max contact with the buds.

I agree with what was said above .. you are doing a better job at drying an curing then I am .. I'm lazy, and it worked .. next time I might get mold, going by the reactions I've gotten on my 'method' :p
 
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