BK's Indoor Soil Autos

[Farmer Reading]

Bubba you worry way too much
Maybe you can join my LARP Club!

 

[Emilya Green]

As @Emilya has diagnosed your question, would a flush of the pot help reduce excessive N. in the soil ?
Then possibly give something like recharge or a really good microbial tea to assist the roots in feeding her as required as a posed to what is the most prevalent.
Genuine question for you Em?

It depends on where all this N is coming from. FF nutes specifically calls for a flush at the end of veg, to clear out the strong N veg nutes in order to get a clean start of the bloom mix. I didn't research to see what nutes are being used or if this is an organic grow, so I am not sure whether adding microbes is going to help fix this situation that really isn't yet a situation.

 

[Bill284]

Bubba you worry way too much
Maybe you can join my LARP Club!

Better to have a band-aid in the cabinet.
No body says your going to cut your self.
Doesn't mean you worry.
Just being prepared.
And yes I'm pretty sure I read no nutrients just the occasional tea.
So it's iron in the soil. I would imagine there is no other source.
And recharge is beneficial microbes to improve proper nutrient uptake?
Being pro active is usually beneficial.
Unless you do something crazy and screw things up, but I don't see that happening in this case.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Emilya Green]

so how was all this N added to the soil? It is common to use for instance, too much bloodmeal, a long lasting N source that will extend past veg and into bloom. If it is something like that, a flush isn't going to help a lot... its in there for the long term. is this a standard supersoil or a built up soil from a recipe? If the N is in there for good, the next best thing is to overcompensate on the K side and let the microbes take care of things. Unless that N is in a bioavailable form, and swamping the mix, getting the microbes into action and solidly putting the organic feeding cycle in charge, should help. Again, this explains why just one leaf is reacting... things are mostly under control, but the plant is warning us that it is dealing with the lockout.

 

[Bill284]

so how was all this N added to the soil? It is common to use for instance, too much bloodmeal, a long lasting N source that will extend past veg and into bloom. If it is something like that, a flush isn't going to help a lot... its in there for the long term. is this a standard supersoil or a built up soil from a recipe? If the N is in there for good, the next best thing is to overcompensate on the K side and let the microbes take care of things. Unless that N is in a bioavailable form, and swamping the mix, getting the microbes into action and solidly putting the organic feeding cycle in charge, should help. Again, this explains why just one leaf is reacting... things are mostly under control, but the plant is warning us that it is dealing with the lockout.

Thanks Em I appreciate you taking the time.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Jon]

BK, I can’t add to or improve on what’s been said. Emilya’s kind of my guru on this too, and she has never once steered me wrong. Personally I know you won’t hurt the plant with a flush, and if it were me I would do that and as the last water of the flush, feed. But that’s just me. I defer. Lol

 

[BubbaKush909]

Very dark green, probably indicating too much N. Too much N can lockout Potassium, and that is what that single leaf symptom seems to be pointing to. This is simply a warning... one leaf does not indicate an actually deficiency or lockout.

Hey @BubbaKush909 hope you are well my friend.
Long time no chat.
Guess that's probably a good thing.
As @Emilya has diagnosed your question, would a flush of the pot help reduce excessive N. in the soil ?
Then possibly give something like recharge or a really good microbial tea to assist the roots in feeding her as required as a posed to what is the most prevalent.
Genuine question for you Em?
As my soil expertise comes mostly from reading you trouble shoot for others.
I do soil in the summer but run mostly coco as I'm sure you know.
Ok I just smoked a huge bowl and I'm rambling.
Thanks Em.

Stay safe
Bill

Bubba you worry way too much
Maybe you can join my LARP Club!

It depends on where all this N is coming from. FF nutes specifically calls for a flush at the end of veg, to clear out the strong N veg nutes in order to get a clean start of the bloom mix. I didn't research to see what nutes are being used or if this is an organic grow, so I am not sure whether adding microbes is going to help fix this situation that really isn't yet a situation.

Better to have a band-aid in the cabinet.
No body says your going to cut your self.
Doesn't mean you worry.
Just being prepared.
And yes I'm pretty sure I read no nutrients just the occasional tea.
So it's iron in the soil. I would imagine there is no other source.
And recharge is beneficial microbes to improve proper nutrient uptake?
Being pro active is usually beneficial.
Unless you do something crazy and screw things up, but I don't see that happening in this case.

Stay safe
Bill

so how was all this N added to the soil? It is common to use for instance, too much bloodmeal, a long lasting N source that will extend past veg and into bloom. If it is something like that, a flush isn't going to help a lot... its in there for the long term. is this a standard supersoil or a built up soil from a recipe? If the N is in there for good, the next best thing is to overcompensate on the K side and let the microbes take care of things. Unless that N is in a bioavailable form, and swamping the mix, getting the microbes into action and solidly putting the organic feeding cycle in charge, should help. Again, this explains why just one leaf is reacting... things are mostly under control, but the plant is warning us that it is dealing with the lockout.

Thanks Em I appreciate you taking the time.

Stay safe
Bill

BK, I can’t add to or improve on what’s been said. Emilya’s kind of my guru on this too, and she has never once steered me wrong. Personally I know you won’t hurt the plant with a flush, and if it were me I would do that and as the last water of the flush, feed. But that’s just me. I defer. Lol

Thanks everyone for your replies! I'm using Great Lakes Water Only soil, it gets good reviews but it's obviously high in N because all the plants are a dark green. This plant has gotten nothing but that, a little calmag, a little kelp tea, and safers for the gnats. I'm wondering if taking so damn long to drain the bag has contributed to this problem? I'm going to give them all a good watering today with a little CM & tea, ph'd to 6.2ish.

And Farmer if you had my grow history you'd be worrying too! The Strawberry Banana started with one spot on one leaf and ended up with about 20 affected leaves in a week. I hope this clears up asap.

 

[BubbaKush909]

I should add the pot was prepped @Bill284 style with lots of frass, bokashi & myco so I'm hoping it's teeming with micros by now.

Also I meant to ask, is there any point in doing a flush? All the nutes are built in.

 

[Emilya Green]

Thanks everyone for your replies! I'm using Great Lakes Water Only soil, it gets good reviews but it's obviously high in N because all the plants are a dark green. This plant has gotten nothing but that, a little calmag, a little kelp tea, and safers for the gnats. I'm wondering if taking so damn long to drain the bag has contributed to this problem? I'm going to give them all a good watering today with a little CM & tea, ph'd to 6.2ish.

I was reading up on your soil, and I noted that they strongly recommend using their compost tea recipe during bloom, and it is almost a feeding with the amount of stuff they throw in there. They also recommend more frequent waterings so that the soil and the plant stay active... I would suggest still waiting for the planter to dry out, but every 3-4 days giving a little top dressing of water, about 1/3 of what it would take to produce runoff. The top spreader roots will pick that up and this will keep the metabolism high so that you don't experience deficiencies. After reading about the soil, I am backing off on the theory that there is too much N built into the soil, but that the soil is a little light in bloom elements, hence the compost tea recommendations. I would also not worry about the pH adjusting of your teas... the microbes really don't care. Adjust your watering method a bit, and I am betting that this problem is going to work itself out.

 

[Emilya Green]

I should add the pot was prepped @Bill284 style with lots of frass, bokashi & myco so I'm hoping it's teeming with micros by now.

Also I meant to ask, is there any point in doing a flush? All the nutes are built in.

no... a flush is to remove salts from the soil... not built in nutes. A flush is not going to help. PLease keep in mind that this is not a crisis... it is one leaf alerting you to a minor difficulty. Don't freak at this point, just make a minor adjustment in your watering.

 

[BubbaKush909]

I was reading up on your soil, and I noted that they strongly recommend using their compost tea recipe during bloom, and it is almost a feeding with the amount of stuff they throw in there. They also recommend more frequent waterings so that the soil and the plant stay active... I would suggest still waiting for the planter to dry out, but every 3-4 days giving a little top dressing of water, about 1/3 of what it would take to produce runoff. The top spreader roots will pick that up and this will keep the metabolism high so that you don't experience deficiencies. After reading about the soil, I am backing off on the theory that there is too much N built into the soil, but that the soil is a little light in bloom elements, hence the compost tea recommendations. I would also not worry about the pH adjusting of your teas... the microbes really don't care. Adjust your watering method a bit, and I am betting that this problem is going to work itself out.

no... a flush is to remove salts from the soil... not built in nutes. A flush is not going to help. PLease keep in mind that this is not a crisis... it is one leaf alerting you to a minor difficulty. Don't freak at this point, just make a minor adjustment in your watering.

Thanks Emmy! I am mostly ph'ing because of the calmag which is not organic. All the CM issues I had (and may still be having) with the SB make me think the soil may be lacking in that way also. I don't like using a chem nute but it's all I know to do, what do you think?

 

[Emilya Green]

Thanks Emmy! I am mostly ph'ing because of the calmag which is not organic. All the CM issues I had (and may still be having) with the SB make me think the soil may be lacking in that way also. I don't like using a chem nute but it's all I know to do, what do you think?

nothing in the calmag is chelated, so it doesnt need to be pH adjusted to be available to the plants.

 

[BubbaKush909]

nothing in the calmag is chelated, so it doesnt need to be pH adjusted to be available to the plants.

Thanks Emmy you're a huge help and reassurance!

 

[BubbaKush909]

The Mimosa Lemon is drying, she hung for 3 days and now has been in a paper bag for 3 days. I got these green plastic airtight and odorproof bags from a friend. I can put the paper bag inside that with a hygrometer outside and can watch the rH like that, before I always had to put some buds in a jar with the hygrometer to check. She's great smoke I'm psyched!

I transplanted the Cream Cookies into her final bag today, which I prepped about 2 weeks ago and it turns out was dusty dry. I'm hoping the micros are hibernating until I wake them back up. I watered her in pretty well but not saturated. She's been getting a lot of time in the sun. I sprayed her with neem oil to keep the bugs away. She looks great.

CC day 12 4th node peeking out.

Before

After:

Blueberry Glue day 31 flower 10. 8" and I'm probably being generous. She has not stretched at all. I hope it's great smoke because there won't be much of it lol

Contrast her with the Forbidden Runtz XXL, which was started the same day. 31 days old, 8 days of flower, 12". I've done everything the same with these girls, there's no comparison. Plus she has 4 tops

Red Super Skunk day 44 flower 13. 9.5" another midget and showing some minor problems. The RSS, FR & BG all got a good watering today supplemented with calmag and kelp tea. I hope she grows herself out of it. Problem is she's really not growing lol She hasn't looked good all grow and because her transplant pot was so saturated I really couldn't do anything for her. I won't be getting much yield from her either.

Strawberry Banana day 56 flower 29 she's limping along and slowing down her feedings. 2 more weeks. She smells so good... sweetness. It's giving me trouble so I'll skip the pic today, thanks for stopping by!

 

[Jon]

The Mimosa Lemon is drying, she hung for 3 days and now has been in a paper bag for 3 days. I got these green plastic airtight and odorproof bags from a friend. I can put the paper bag inside that with a hygrometer outside and can watch the rH like that, before I always had to put some buds in a jar with the hygrometer to check. She's great smoke I'm psyched!

I transplanted the Cream Cookies into her final bag today, which I prepped about 2 weeks ago and it turns out was dusty dry. I'm hoping the micros are hibernating until I wake them back up. I watered her in pretty well but not saturated. She's been getting a lot of time in the sun. I sprayed her with neem oil to keep the bugs away. She looks great.

CC day 12 4th node peeking out.

Before

After:

Blueberry Glue day 31 flower 10. 8" and I'm probably being generous. She has not stretched at all. I hope it's great smoke because there won't be much of it lol

Contrast her with the Forbidden Runtz XXL, which was started the same day. 31 days old, 8 days of flower, 12". I've done everything the same with these girls, there's no comparison. Plus she has 4 tops

Red Super Skunk day 44 flower 13. 9.5" another midget and showing some minor problems. The RSS, FR & BG all got a good watering today supplemented with calmag and kelp tea. I hope she grows herself out of it. Problem is she's really not growing lol She hasn't looked good all grow and because her transplant pot was so saturated I really couldn't do anything for her. I won't be getting much yield from her either.

Strawberry Banana day 56 flower 29 she's limping along and slowing down her feedings. 2 more weeks. She smells so good... sweetness. It's giving me trouble so I'll skip the pic today, thanks for stopping by!

This is awesome. Congrats on the harvest! The SB does not look as bad as your eyes tell you. So the FB went to flower at day 23/24? Hmm…

 

[BubbaKush909]

This is awesome. Congrats on the harvest! The SB does not look as bad as your eyes tell you. So the FB went to flower at day 23/24? Hmm…

Morning Jon! She went into flower day 27, plus 3 days to sprout. She's 14" tall but she'll yield close to 2z's. I was looking back at your old grow, they went 58-62 days. Back to the waiting game lol.... have a great day!

 

[Jon]

Morning Jon! She went into flower day 27, plus 3 days to sprout. She's 14" tall but she'll yield close to 2z's. I was looking back at your old grow, they went 58-62 days. Back to the waiting game lol.... have a great day!

Wow thanks for the research, I was wondering and really didn’t feel like paging to find it.

 

[BubbaKush909]

Wow thanks for the research, I was wondering and really didn’t feel like paging to find it.

Oops make that 68-72 lol

 

[BubbaKush909]

Greetings! We're in the middle of an intense heat wave here, temps near 100 the last few days. It's been too hot to keep the baby outdoors between about noon and 6. She took to her transplant like a champ and I watered her a bit outside the rootball, starting a moat.

Cream Cookies day 13, 3.5"

Blueberry Glue day 32 flower 11, 8". Not much to say, there's been no stretch. There will be little yield, but I'll stick with her. At least she has good sized flowers.

Forbidden Runtz XXL day 31, flower 9. 13" and still growing. Started same day as the BG above. She's training herself all I've done is tuck a few leaves.

Red Super Skunk day 45 flower 14, 10". Not sure if she's still growing a little or it's the buds getting bigger. In any event she'll be small too. Her problem doesn't look any worse, they all got a watering yesterday.

Strawberry Banana day 57, flower 50. Frosty buds! Hopefully 2 weeks or less.

Currently I've got my eyes on the FR & CC. The SB had a lot of issues and the other 2 are runts. My goal is to routinely grow healthy plants, decent sized plants. Not there yet but I think I'm getting closer. I learn something new with almost every plant.

Thanks for stopping by and have a great day!

 

[Farmer Reading]

Greetings! We're in the middle of an intense heat wave here, temps near 100 the last few days. It's been too hot to keep the baby outdoors between about noon and 6. She took to her transplant like a champ and I watered her a bit outside the rootball, starting a moat.

Cream Cookies day 13, 3.5"

Blueberry Glue day 32 flower 11, 8". Not much to say, there's been no stretch. There will be little yield, but I'll stick with her. At least she has good sized flowers.

Forbidden Runtz XXL day 31, flower 9. 13" and still growing. Started same day as the BG above. She's training herself all I've done is tuck a few leaves.

Red Super Skunk day 45 flower 14, 10". Not sure if she's still growing a little or it's the buds getting bigger. In any event she'll be small too. Her problem doesn't look any worse, they all got a watering yesterday.

Strawberry Banana day 57, flower 50. Frosty buds! Hopefully 2 weeks or less.

Currently I've got my eyes on the FR & CC. The SB had a lot of issues and the other 2 are runts. My goal is to routinely grow healthy plants, decent sized plants. Not there yet but I think I'm getting closer. I learn something new with almost every plant.

Thanks for stopping by and have a great day!

Looks like you are heading in the right direction

Gotta show you this plant just to make you feel better about any of your perceived failures. This is one of three autos I am running right now.

I added some pretty hot manure (my own arrogance) into the soil blends, so that is probably what happened to her.
This WAS my best of three and one day her leaves started going to hell from the top down. Tried flushing then changed its soil out with Promix with no success

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• Farmer Reading
• Jun 22, 2022

It all is a learning process with successes and failures.