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BigJayDiggler's Soil Headband Grow Journal 2020
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As long as you support it and tape it it’ll heal just fine
Yeah I’d save that branch. That plant looks like a female
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Day 50
flower day 17
Using 2/3 of a gallon roughly per pot now
Nutes are still at the half dose.
74°
40% humidity
Lights are at 24" to 18" buds sites forming nicely. Getting closer to bring time to trellis
Also moved the lights again. Moved them about 10" out from the corners.
flower day 17
Using 2/3 of a gallon roughly per pot now
Nutes are still at the half dose.
74°
40% humidity
Lights are at 24" to 18" buds sites forming nicely. Getting closer to bring time to trellis
Also moved the lights again. Moved them about 10" out from the corners.
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No man, you passed your time for a trellis. If you Install it now, it won’t help you fill your space with canopy. You have to install the trellis way before you flip to flower. It’s gotta be like 75% full before you flip to flower.
If you install it now, you’ll have all the headache of your plants being stuck in their place, without any of the benefit of having a trellis net.
If you install it now, you’ll have all the headache of your plants being stuck in their place, without any of the benefit of having a trellis net.
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How am I going to flatten out the shooters then?
Súper cropping. But you won’t need to. Your lights are so powerful your girls won’t have branches that shoot up. They’re going to stay fairly short and compact.
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Day 52
Flower day 19
Super cropping is delicate. I'm not there yet. Bent over some branches. I think they'll survive. Last feeding was 2/3 of a gallon. 3/4 of a full dose of nutes.
You can see in the photos where I snapped them.
76°
40% humidity.
Lights are 18-24"
They've grown well with no signs of nute burn.
Flower day 19
Super cropping is delicate. I'm not there yet. Bent over some branches. I think they'll survive. Last feeding was 2/3 of a gallon. 3/4 of a full dose of nutes.
You can see in the photos where I snapped them.
76°
40% humidity.
Lights are 18-24"
They've grown well with no signs of nute burn.
You need to pinch the spot you want to bend a lot before you try to crease it. Some stems will bend over with one pinch. Others need to be worked
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Lol. Yep! Learning the hard way,
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Day 59
Flower day 26
78°
42% humidity
Lights at 18-24"
I did trellis late 3rd week. Last Sunday.
Things look good.
Giving 3/4 dose of nutes
Bio bloom. Bio bud and cal mag
When's best time to flush?
Should I use straight water every other feeding? I have no nute burn.
Flower day 26
78°
42% humidity
Lights at 18-24"
I did trellis late 3rd week. Last Sunday.
Things look good.
Giving 3/4 dose of nutes
Bio bloom. Bio bud and cal mag
When's best time to flush?
Should I use straight water every other feeding? I have no nute burn.
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Day 61
Flower day 28
Head band and some mystery seeds.
All female
Happy frog soil
14 2.5 gal pots
3/4 gal water per pot every 2-3 days
2 next light mega LED set at 12-18"
8x8
Bio bloom 10-15 ml
Bio bud 5 ml
Cal mag 10 ml
Temps are 65-76° with 12-18"" light height
Humidity 40%
Buds are tight and looking good. Starting to get frosty.
I need to start researching when to start flushing and finishing.
I love doing this.
Aroma is strong now.
Flower day 28
Head band and some mystery seeds.
All female
Happy frog soil
14 2.5 gal pots
3/4 gal water per pot every 2-3 days
2 next light mega LED set at 12-18"
8x8
Bio bloom 10-15 ml
Bio bud 5 ml
Cal mag 10 ml
Temps are 65-76° with 12-18"" light height
Humidity 40%
Buds are tight and looking good. Starting to get frosty.
I need to start researching when to start flushing and finishing.
I love doing this.
Aroma is strong now.
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Why did you add a trellis? It’s not adding anything at all, it’s just making it harder for you to water.
you have to grow your plants into the trellis for it to be effective. It could potentially be useful for support, but your plants are short and bushy... my guess is they won’t need support.
You don’t need to flush your plants. It doesn’t change anything. Go on feeding til harvest.
Are you getting run off from every pot each time you water? You should be getting 10-15% run off to make sure you’re saturating thoroughly and flushing the nutrient solution.
If you want to flush your medium, the best time to do it is week 6. The point of a week 6 flush is to clear the medium of any built up salts so the plant can continue proper nutrient uptake for the end of flower. Preharvest flushing for the purpose of “flushing excess nutrients” from the plant is completely a myth. It doesn’t work that way, not at all.
you have to grow your plants into the trellis for it to be effective. It could potentially be useful for support, but your plants are short and bushy... my guess is they won’t need support.
You don’t need to flush your plants. It doesn’t change anything. Go on feeding til harvest.
Are you getting run off from every pot each time you water? You should be getting 10-15% run off to make sure you’re saturating thoroughly and flushing the nutrient solution.
If you want to flush your medium, the best time to do it is week 6. The point of a week 6 flush is to clear the medium of any built up salts so the plant can continue proper nutrient uptake for the end of flower. Preharvest flushing for the purpose of “flushing excess nutrients” from the plant is completely a myth. It doesn’t work that way, not at all.
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You're right it is harder to water, but I bought a watering container and attached a hose to the end of it, problem solved. I did them 2 weeks ago when the buds were just starting. Now everything that was underneath is getting full light exposure and budding nicely. I know it was late, but I'm glad I did it. I will definitely do it again next time earlier. I'm busy as hell and learning on the fly. Relying on whatever info I can get. Also, 2 others that grow near me, both had experienced bud that had trouble burning from running nutes all the way to the end, as well as taste being affected. I'm apprehensive about this grow. Through experimenting in different grows, they both said flushing at the end will prevent you from bud that won't burn. I totally appreciate your input bro. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that aspect.
When you say flush of salts, do you allow the water to completely drain away from the bottom of the pot? Like out of the pot runoff plate as well? When I water, I do so the runoff collects in the plate. It is dry in a couple hours of soaking in. Thanks man
When you say flush of salts, do you allow the water to completely drain away from the bottom of the pot? Like out of the pot runoff plate as well? When I water, I do so the runoff collects in the plate. It is dry in a couple hours of soaking in. Thanks man
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You're right it is harder to water, but I bought a watering container and attached a hose to the end of it, problem solved. I did them 2 weeks ago when the buds were just starting. Now everything that was underneath is getting full light exposure and budding nicely. I know it was late, but I'm glad I did it. I will definitely do it again next time earlier. I'm busy as hell and learning on the fly. Relying on whatever info I can get. Also, 2 others that grow near me, both had experienced bud that had trouble burning from running nutes all the way to the end, as well as taste being affected. I'm apprehensive about this grow. Through experimenting in different grows, they both said flushing at the end will prevent you from bud that won't burn. I totally appreciate your input bro. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that aspect.
When you say flush of salts, do you allow the water to completely drain away from the bottom of the pot? Like out of the pot runoff plate as well? When I water, I do so the runoff collects in the plate. It is dry in a couple hours of soaking in. Thanks man
Yeah next time throw up your scrog net 3 weeks into veg. Put it a little less than half way up the tent. Bend your plants tops into the boxes until 75% of the box are full. Then flip your lights and keep tucking the tops into the boxes until the plants stop stretching. Then you will have maximumized the potential your scrog net has..
okay so if youre getting some good run off that is filling the saucer, then you’re watering properly. Good work. It’s a good idea to let the plant absorb all of that extra water. Don’t dump it out unless it’s been there +12hr
So your buddies think they ruined their crops by not flushing at the end. You wanna hear the real story? Your friends over fed their plants all through flower. That’s the only reason nutrients would cause their bud to “have trouble burning.” If your plants are over fed, no amount of flushing will make a difference. There’s also the more obvious reason of their bud not being properly dried. Plants that are given proper nutrition all the way through to harvest, burn just fine. Trust me. I fed my plants 3 days before the chop, full strength nutrients. My bud is fantastic, everyone I know loves it. Smooth and burns down great.
When it comes to growing, you can’t trust other people’s logic when it comes to causality..... example:
Your friends bud doesn’t burn great; You are trusting them when you accept their assessment of “not flushing” bring the problem.
It is 100% possible that nutrients are the cause. If nutrients are the cause, it’s from over feeding and not a lack of flushing.
I know that advice is just that, and everyone who thinks they’ve got a handle on growing is quick to offer it... but I’ve been on 420mag seeking good information for 6 years now. I’ve grown a half kilo of dried buds in an 81cmx81xcm tent.... of the people who have given you direction thus far, I’d listen to me.
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Then there is a correlation between
Thanks man. I do appreciate the help. I'm not presenting my buddies grow as a means to argue. Merely presenting a direction of thought process. Adding too many nutes. How to determine that?
Oh I didn’t think you were arguing, I was just pointing out that - hey maybe your buddy’s flower doesn’t burn great, but he thinks it’s from not flushing at harvest, cause that’s what he told you. Around here we’ve seen the data that shows -> preharvest flushing is a myth. It is not a practice that does anything to the final product.
most likely it went like this..... your friends got bud that doesn’t burn right.. they think it’s cause of the nutes, so they fed lighter the next grow around... and they flushed before harvest. they credited the better weed to the flush and not the lighter nutes (which is the real cause)
Dark green leaves, clawing leaf tips.. you’re feeding at 3/4 so you’ll probably be fine. Honestly you could probably bump up the strength to full. Especially considering how close your very powerful lights are.
You’re on the right track my friend. You can keep feeding how you’re feeding and your bud will turn out fine. From what I can see there, i would feed those plants slightly stronger nutrients.
the amount of nutrients a plant needs is based on 3 factors; How big the plant is, how strong of light it’s receiving, and what are the characteristics of the genetics.
Plant size: bigger plants in bigger pots can take stronger nutrients. Think of it this way, the nutrients in the water are providing electrical current to the soil. A bigger computer needs more electricity than a smaller computer, plants are the same. Last cycle I grew this huge Northern Lights bush in a 5 gallon pot. In late flower I was feeding her 9.5g/gallon of Megacrop and she looked amazingly happy. The recommended maximum dosage for Megacrop is 6.5g/gal. I added nearly 50% to that. I felt comfortable doing it because she was a huge plant that needed the electrical current to keep her metabolism at maximum velocity.
light strength: light strength is a huge, huge factor for how much nutrients a plant needs. Remember how i said we are trying to keep their metabolism moving as fast as possible? Well the potential metabolism speed is heavily influenced by how strong of light is being given. Stronger light means more photosynthesis. More photosynthesis means more demand for nutrients. There is a limit though. Too much light and your plants will wash out yellow. This happens because the plant is using its nutrients up faster than it can store them. Sometimes this can be fixed by adding nutrients, if the strength of the light is appropriate for the space. If the light is too strong, no amount of nutrients will make them look healthy. The light is driving the plant harder than it can grow healthily. That’s how I could tell your lights were too close in veg. They were washed out yellow/green cause they couldn’t grow as fast as the light is demanding while maintaining healthy green.
genetics: genetics play an equally massive role in how much nutrients a plant can handle and stay healthy. The pattern we usually see is that indica heavy plants love strong nutrients and pure/heavy Sativa varieties like lighter nutrients. It’s not that simple though. Different strains aren’t exactly sensitive to strength of nutrients. The sensitivity is typically more related to ratio of nutrients. Some strains will like less nitrogen, others prefer very very high calcium... basically it comes down to this; the closer you can get your nutrient solution to the exact ratio your specific cultivar (individual plant of a specific strain) prefers, the better will express its full potential in every regard.. potency, smell, effect, colors, density... everything
That’s why organic soil works so amazingly
most likely it went like this..... your friends got bud that doesn’t burn right.. they think it’s cause of the nutes, so they fed lighter the next grow around... and they flushed before harvest. they credited the better weed to the flush and not the lighter nutes (which is the real cause)
Dark green leaves, clawing leaf tips.. you’re feeding at 3/4 so you’ll probably be fine. Honestly you could probably bump up the strength to full. Especially considering how close your very powerful lights are.
You’re on the right track my friend. You can keep feeding how you’re feeding and your bud will turn out fine. From what I can see there, i would feed those plants slightly stronger nutrients.
the amount of nutrients a plant needs is based on 3 factors; How big the plant is, how strong of light it’s receiving, and what are the characteristics of the genetics.
Plant size: bigger plants in bigger pots can take stronger nutrients. Think of it this way, the nutrients in the water are providing electrical current to the soil. A bigger computer needs more electricity than a smaller computer, plants are the same. Last cycle I grew this huge Northern Lights bush in a 5 gallon pot. In late flower I was feeding her 9.5g/gallon of Megacrop and she looked amazingly happy. The recommended maximum dosage for Megacrop is 6.5g/gal. I added nearly 50% to that. I felt comfortable doing it because she was a huge plant that needed the electrical current to keep her metabolism at maximum velocity.
light strength: light strength is a huge, huge factor for how much nutrients a plant needs. Remember how i said we are trying to keep their metabolism moving as fast as possible? Well the potential metabolism speed is heavily influenced by how strong of light is being given. Stronger light means more photosynthesis. More photosynthesis means more demand for nutrients. There is a limit though. Too much light and your plants will wash out yellow. This happens because the plant is using its nutrients up faster than it can store them. Sometimes this can be fixed by adding nutrients, if the strength of the light is appropriate for the space. If the light is too strong, no amount of nutrients will make them look healthy. The light is driving the plant harder than it can grow healthily. That’s how I could tell your lights were too close in veg. They were washed out yellow/green cause they couldn’t grow as fast as the light is demanding while maintaining healthy green.
genetics: genetics play an equally massive role in how much nutrients a plant can handle and stay healthy. The pattern we usually see is that indica heavy plants love strong nutrients and pure/heavy Sativa varieties like lighter nutrients. It’s not that simple though. Different strains aren’t exactly sensitive to strength of nutrients. The sensitivity is typically more related to ratio of nutrients. Some strains will like less nitrogen, others prefer very very high calcium... basically it comes down to this; the closer you can get your nutrient solution to the exact ratio your specific cultivar (individual plant of a specific strain) prefers, the better will express its full potential in every regard.. potency, smell, effect, colors, density... everything
That’s why organic soil works so amazingly