nobodyhere
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So you don't add any liquid Ca/Mg during the grow?
BigBearNTX Perpetual Auto Grow
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CraZysWeeD
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It's always fun with plants that do something that they are not suppose to do.
Really nice plants bigbear!
Really nice plants bigbear!
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BigBearNTexas
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@nobodyhere I don’t think the High Brix people need to supplement calcium and magnesium during a grow, although it may be in some of the drenches they use. But it sounds like the UltraBloom can be added as a top dressing during bloom.
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I’m not pleased that these didn’t “Duck”, they were supposed to be for a patio grow and since I couldn’t grow them outside, that the reason I’m running six in the tent right now.
And thanks for the compliment about the plants. I’m well pleased with them. Considering I have them in 2L pots, I’m really impressed with how well they have grown.
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It's never fun when it goes sideways the way you didn't want it to go...
2L?! Wow, that's really good grown then. I'm scared to go under 10L. Looking at a Autopot system Easy2Grow with 8,5L pots and was afraid that wouldn't be sufficient but with those words from you I rest my case....
Had a quick look in the tent now and I can see that the cal/mag and downing the Rhizotonic have had very good effect! The buds have really been swelling and lots of more tricomes. Going to update pics tonight when lights on.
2L?! Wow, that's really good grown then. I'm scared to go under 10L. Looking at a Autopot system Easy2Grow with 8,5L pots and was afraid that wouldn't be sufficient but with those words from you I rest my case....
Had a quick look in the tent now and I can see that the cal/mag and downing the Rhizotonic have had very good effect! The buds have really been swelling and lots of more tricomes. Going to update pics tonight when lights on.
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BigBearNTexas
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I have yet to play with beneficial microbes, I may do that with my next grows. I’ve heard that it works best when the roots are actively growing, so don’t know if it would add anything now.
And yeah, 2L is tiny. I normally grow in 10L buckets. But I’ve got large saucers under these girls, so when I water/feed, they have a reservoir to dip their toes into. If not for that, I would be watering three times a day.
And yeah, 2L is tiny. I normally grow in 10L buckets. But I’ve got large saucers under these girls, so when I water/feed, they have a reservoir to dip their toes into. If not for that, I would be watering three times a day.
CraZysWeeD
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I hear ya. Had the same problem when growing under hps. I sorta did a dwc combo. Grew them in 5L pots and then immersed them in 10L buckets with air stones in them. Or else I had to be watering three times a day me too...
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For sure - the main difference in the calcium doses there would be the ratio of calmag. The high brix soil aims for around 6-10:1 cal:mag so by that standard, most available calmag products have way too much mag. Calcium drives the show - need plenty of it for sure. In the DBHBB kit it’s in the soil amendments and also some of the drenches I’m sure. There is seaweed in some of the drenches so that would provide calcium too.
Looking great in the garden Bear! So nice to see them thriving under the sun isn’t it!!
... which is necessary to do often, so you have a point of contrast for the days when you do want to be blitzed all day, right!?
High G! Have been missing seeing you - now that we both don’t have a journal running we don’t cross paths so often ... Or maybe we’v both been online less. And maybe you do have a new journal that I’ve missed...?
Happy Days to you Bear! And all. Happy to see your happy green garden
For sure - the main difference in the calcium doses there would be the ratio of calmag. The high brix soil aims for around 6-10:1 cal:mag so by that standard, most available calmag products have way too much mag. Calcium drives the show - need plenty of it for sure. In the DBHBB kit it’s in the soil amendments and also some of the drenches I’m sure. There is seaweed in some of the drenches so that would provide calcium too.
Looking great in the garden Bear! So nice to see them thriving under the sun isn’t it!!
... which is necessary to do often, so you have a point of contrast for the days when you do want to be blitzed all day, right!?
High G! Have been missing seeing you - now that we both don’t have a journal running we don’t cross paths so often ... Or maybe we’v both been online less. And maybe you do have a new journal that I’ve missed...?
Happy Days to you Bear! And all. Happy to see your happy green garden
*HIIIIIGH @Amy Gardner , can I add crushed up egg shells for more calcium in my grow? Do they need to be rinsed? I had a calcium difficiency and I use cal mag, therefore I'm soooo curious about preventing this.
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So yes, they’re a great source of calcium but not immediately. There is differing opinions amongst what I’ve read about how soon they will break down and become available. PLus, I believe for it to be properly available directly from the crushed shell, a living soil is much more efficient. That said, I’m sure there are folks using them to augment cal in grows using bottled nutes as well. Just not my area of experience.
You can break them down in vinegar.
There is a memeber here, @Emilya who has a great recipe for DIY Calphos using toasted eggshells in a vinegar solution and by all accounts this can be very successful. I know Conradino has used eggshells as an amendment too (but yeah, his is living soil). There are also recipes around for using the vinegar to break down the eggshells for calcium without the toasting as well (the toasting is get phosphorous as well - so you’d have to decide whether you need/want that).
I’ll chase down the link to Emilya’s recipe and brb...
OK here ya go... NOTE* that in the first tutorial post she says the toasted shells are teh cal source ad teh white is the phos... it actually the other way round, as is confirmed by the next post I link to and the article i’ve linked after that.
Emmie's DIY CalMagPhos+ From Eggshells
And to confirm that its the white that’s the Cal and the cooked shell that is the phos...
Emmie's DIY CalMagPhos+ From Eggshells
This article goes into some more detail about it. Showing that if you only want cal - you can just ferment the shell in vinegar, without toasting. Caveat here is that this method comes from organic soil growing, so I can in no way vouch for it’s success in soilless growing...
CalPhos Recipe | Koanga Institute
ANd of course you’d need to dilute it and monitor its effects of the PH of your drench/tea.
OK so that’s true by the accepted scientific definition of organic - being something containing carbon (very loosely stated). Often when were talking about gardening and nutes though, ‘organic’ is used in contrast to synthetic. Meaning if it’s not synthesised it’s not not organic, if you get what I mean. So, from that perspective I don’t consider that using rock minerals or calcium derived naturally from natural sources would make a grow inorganic, or un-organic
. SO even though I used rock mineral sources of many things in my grows, I absolutely consider my produce fully organic. It’s good too... toke BigBear?
ANd now I see more sources saying it the other way again - that cal comes from the cooked shell adn phos from the white... now I’m like a dog with a bone trying to find the definitive answer
... quick medicate... 
Ok - sorry Bear! Between your conversation about Cal and G’s question... I’ve gone down the rabbit hole into Korean Natural Farming practices!
SO it seems that for Cal... some light toasting may be necessary. And to get phos, that’s where the more charred stuff comes in.
Water Soluble Calcium and Water Soluble Calcium Phosphorus
I’m leaving it alone now, I promise!
SO it seems that for Cal... some light toasting may be necessary. And to get phos, that’s where the more charred stuff comes in.
Water Soluble Calcium and Water Soluble Calcium Phosphorus
I’m leaving it alone now, I promise!
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BigBearNTexas
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It’s all good! I’ve used ground eggshells dissolved in vinegar in previous grows, but it didn’t work as well as commercial products.
CraZysWeeD
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It's always hard to get the same results home as they do on industrial scale. But its fun to try and you always learn something on the way.
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BigBearNTexas
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Saturday update!
The girls are all right at about eight weeks, maybe seven weeks for the White Widow. I started them all within days of each other though, so time is close enough to call it eight weeks.
Buds are fattening up, but just starting to get trichomes development. The girls are the greenest and healthiest I’ve grown so far. I’ve had lots of issues with yellowing during late flower, but cal mag and not backing off on nutes has seemed to take care of that. I’m still feeding half and half veg and bloom. I’ll look at the schedule again for my nutrient line and see if I need to make some adjustments for this last few weeks.
Based on what I’m seeing, I think I’m still three weeks out from the first harvest. I said that last week, but now I’m pushing the schedule out another week. I’m guessing the last of the girls will probably finish mid-July. My hard stop is July 21st; I hit the road on vacation the last weekend in July, so they have to be harvested and put up by them.
I did some tipping of the colas to encourage backbuilding in two of the plants today. It seems to be working, the ones that I tipped two weeks ago are developing nice thick colas.
Did a little defol, but that’s about it. Everyone was watered with cal-mag only yesterday, so next feeding will be tomorrow or Monday morning.
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The White Widow is in the front of this group shot, she’s about 6-8 inches shorter than the other girls. She’s putting on some bud, so we’ll see what she can do.
The girls are all right at about eight weeks, maybe seven weeks for the White Widow. I started them all within days of each other though, so time is close enough to call it eight weeks.
Buds are fattening up, but just starting to get trichomes development. The girls are the greenest and healthiest I’ve grown so far. I’ve had lots of issues with yellowing during late flower, but cal mag and not backing off on nutes has seemed to take care of that. I’m still feeding half and half veg and bloom. I’ll look at the schedule again for my nutrient line and see if I need to make some adjustments for this last few weeks.
Based on what I’m seeing, I think I’m still three weeks out from the first harvest. I said that last week, but now I’m pushing the schedule out another week. I’m guessing the last of the girls will probably finish mid-July. My hard stop is July 21st; I hit the road on vacation the last weekend in July, so they have to be harvested and put up by them.
I did some tipping of the colas to encourage backbuilding in two of the plants today. It seems to be working, the ones that I tipped two weeks ago are developing nice thick colas.
Did a little defol, but that’s about it. Everyone was watered with cal-mag only yesterday, so next feeding will be tomorrow or Monday morning.
Group picture:
The White Widow is in the front of this group shot, she’s about 6-8 inches shorter than the other girls. She’s putting on some bud, so we’ll see what she can do.
Looks like you have some help as well..... 
Some tall plants there....
Some tall plants there....
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BigBearNTexas
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The dogs are lazy bastards and don’t even chase squirrels.
And these plants are much taller than I would prefer, but I had to go up instead of out. Hopefully it will pay off in a few weeks.
And these plants are much taller than I would prefer, but I had to go up instead of out. Hopefully it will pay off in a few weeks.