Babygirl’s Sour Livers DWC Hydro Grow Journal, November 2021

[cjsbabygirl313]

You can...I never had issues. Some people insist it is too hot for them. FF will tell you otherwise-so will GDB and I...however, I've never started a seedling directly in it. Always used a seed starter. Goldie is as small as any seedling. She likes it in there just fine...you want Bubbles to be a soil grow?

Tx @Krissi1982 !

Yeah - Bubbles is gonna be a soil grow cuz hubby’s buddy wants one and I told him I’d try to get seed or two popped for him - his only issue was it had to be “soil” but I was able to talk him into Fox Farms.

Next question - since it is an auto, should it go directly into a 5-gallon pot or go up slowly from there? I read a bit on @Emilya ’s how to water a potted plant, and it seems like up-potting is the best, but I heard autos dont like to be messed with that way.

 

[StoneOtter]

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

Hey Stone! How goes it?

 

[Jon]

Question for soil growers ( @Krissi1982 and anyone else!) Can Bubbles (the new seedling) go into a solo cup with Fox Farms Ocean Forest Soil or does it require a different soil to start with??

Lots of folks will tell you they've done this and it worked just fine. Others, (like me) will tell you they tried it and the soil was too hot for the seedling and caused me issues. I use a blend. 40% Ocean Forest/40% Happy Frog/20% perlite #3. That works amazingly well. So that said, I am one of those who would suggest that Happy Frog is a safer way to go, or a blend. But again, lots of folks have no issues. I think it's a bit strain specific.

 

[Krissi Carbone]

Tx @Krissi1982 !

Yeah - Bubbles is gonna be a soil grow cuz hubby’s buddy wants one and I told him I’d try to get seed or two popped for him - his only issue was it had to be “soil” but I was able to talk him into Fox Farms.

Just be careful, like I said I've never went straight to FFOF, Goldie is the smallest I ever put in there!

Next question - since it is an auto, should it go directly into a 5-gallon pot or go up slowly from there? I read a bit on @Emilya ’s how to water a potted plant, and it seems like up-potting is the best, but I heard autos dont like to be messed with that way.

I keep my autos in 3gl pots...I have always had great yields from them. I would suggest 3 then 5 if you want it BG.

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

Thank you @Jon and @Krissi1982 ! Messed up part is I am the one to get a strong seedling going for him and then he’s gonna grow it - but it’ll have to come back over my house for me to tend at Christmas while his folks are here *lol*. Luckily he’s only two blocks away! And he’s with hubby on the “just stick it in dirt - its a weed!” mentality … hard to break folks of that

 

[Jon]

Just be careful, like I said I've never went straight to FFOF, Goldie is the smallest I ever put in there!

I keep my autos in 3gl pots...I have always had great yields from them. I would suggest 3 then 5 if you want it BG.

If I may.....I would encourage you to try the fives. I have never once grown an auto - not a single one - using @Emilya's watering methodology - that didn't fill a three with 6 weeks of growth left to go. I never use threes for autos anymore, I always use fives, and I have three outdoor autos in 7s which will completely fill those pots with roots. Emilya's method works wonders.

I always up pot my autos too. If you do it correctly it causes zero stress and zero slowdown. It's an auto myth, in my opinion, that you shouldn't up pot. That's one of the essentials to getting those roots to fill those pots. You will get bigger yields for sure from a five versus a three. For SURE.

All that said, I don't up pot twice with autos. Just once, and I usually go Dixie cup to five. But I've also used Emilya's technique for quite a while and have a lot of confidence in my watering.

Btw - another auto myth is to not top. You CAN top, as many times as you want. In fact you can train autos exactly like photos. There is zero difference, except that your training window with autos is way shorter.

My overarching suggestion is to not treat your autos any different than your photos.

 

[Krissi Carbone]

If I may.....I would encourage you to try the fives. I have never once grown an auto - not a single one - using @Emilya's watering methodology - that didn't fill a three with 6 weeks of growth left to go. I never use threes for autos anymore, I always use fives, and I have three outdoor autos in 7s which will completely fill those pots with roots. Emilya's method works wonders.

I always up pot my autos too. If you do it correctly it causes zero stress and zero slowdown. It's an auto myth, in my opinion, that you shouldn't up pot. That's one of the essentials to getting those roots to fill those pots. You will get bigger yields for sure from a five versus a three. For SURE.

All that said, I don't up pot twice with autos. Just once, and I usually go Dixie cup to five. But I've also used Emilya's technique for quite a while and have a lot of confidence in my watering.

Btw - another auto myth is to not top. You CAN top, as many times as you want. In fact you can train autos exactly like photos. There is zero difference, except that your training window with autos is way shorter.

My overarching suggestion is to not treat your autos any different than your photos.

I've read your auto myths Jon, somewhere before...I run the way I do for my size needs in my tents...hard to get 5gl pots to fit together...I just did HST which I hadn't on autos before...they handled it just fine. I agree with you that many myths are just that. I choose to handle my autos as autos and photos as photos and not run them the say way. Not because I don't think they can handle it but because that's why I do both kinds of grows. I like to have the different approaches, the different pots, the different trainings, etc for them. I want my autos to give me 3 zs-ish and stay the sizes they are, I plan it as such so that I have space for the photos. BG is newer to growing and has limited space so I'm only giving her information that I think best suits her current needs expressing it through my past and current experiences is all. Love to hear your information whenever I come across it, @Jon

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

Did I mention ya’ll totally rock?

 

[Jon]

I've read your auto myths Jon, somewhere before...I run the way I do for my size needs in my tents...hard to get 5gl pots to fit together...I just did HST which I hadn't on autos before...they handled it just fine. I agree with you that many myths are just that. I choose to handle my autos as autos and photos as photos and not run them the say way. Not because I don't think they can handle it but because that's why I do both kinds of grows. I like to have the different approaches, the different pots, the different trainings, etc for them. I want my autos to give me 3 zs-ish and stay the sizes they are, I plan it as such so that I have space for the photos. BG is newer to growing and has limited space so I'm only giving her information that I think best suits her current needs expressing it through my past and current experiences is all. Love to hear your information whenever I come across it, @Jon

Oh I understand Krissi. Just tossing out my experience for two cents sake. I tried real hard to not say DO THIS, cuz as you're kind enough to not say directly, I DO get a bit miffed at all the BS about autos out there screwing up people's grows. Lol. And of course you have to do what you have to do based on your particular needs. But I will say that treating autos differently than photos for the reasons you state it great - however - I would encourage you to at least try the up potting thing with them if you aren't already. No matter how you grow, train, or what pot size you use, up potting from a Dixie to whatever size pot is always going to give you better results.

 

[Krissi Carbone]

Oh I understand Krissi. Just tossing out my experience for two cents sake.

Oh I know Jon!! It's appreciated!

I tried real hard to not say DO THIS, cuz as you're kind enough to not say directly, I DO get a bit miffed at all the BS about autos out there screwing up people's grows. Lol.

someone needs to tell people the ins and outs....it is a heavy topic on here lately

And of course you have to do what you have to do based on your particular needs. But I will say that treating autos differently than photos for the reasons you state it great - however - I would encourage you to at least try the up potting thing with them if you aren't already.

i go from 5.5 inch to 3 gl if I see it needs a 5, she gets it.....these current girls have to move from their standard 3 gl to 3 gl water reserves in a couple weeks...I do have some 5gl if they need to be in something bigger and if I think I have the room to do it in

No matter how you grow, train, or what pot size you use, up potting from a Dixie to whatever size pot is always going to give you better results.

I never do that silly 1 gl to 2 gl to 3 gl thing from seedling cups...that's just silly...I up them as much as I can...so long as you are confident with your watering practices, you should be doing that

 

[Jon]

Oh I know Jon!! It's appreciated!


someone needs to tell people the ins and outs....it is a heavy topic on here lately

i go from 5.5 inch to 3 gl if I see it needs a 5, she gets it.....these current girls Ave to move from their standard 3 gl to 3 gl water reserves in a couple weeks...I do have some 5gl if they need to be in something bigger and if I think I have the room to do it in

I never do that silly 1 gl to 2 gl to 3 gl thing from seedling cups...that's just silly...I up them as much as I can...so long as you are confident with your watering practices, you should be doing that

I never do that silly 1 gl to 2 gl to 3 gl thing from seedling cups...that's just silly...I up them as much as I can...so long as you are confident with your watering practices, you should be doing that

I am so happy to hear this. I Agree 100%. But you gotta know your watering. I started my outdoor autos directly IN the sevens, as a test of my own watering abilities. They're going nuts! I, 2, 3, 5? No thanks.

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

Really appreciate all the input folks - seriously. I told you I’m no good with anything in dirt so this will be a test of my ability. She’s currently in the peat pod in that seedling starter; I think I’ll leave her in that until the Oz Farms stuff gets here around the end of the week and then do a 50/50 mix of FF and organic potting soil in a 16oz solo cup … then when she’s strong enough I’ll up-pot her to the 3-gallon pot with 100% FF and then hand her over (for better or worse) to JD to see what happens and how HE does with it.

Who knows - I may have another sprouted between now and then, we’ll see. If so, maybe I’ll keep one in the tent as long as possible and then just put her out on my south-facing wall that has a huge ass window to see how it does as a house plant (just for kicks, ya know?)

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

Oh, @Krissi1982 - when I mentioned in your thread I was concerned about how small Liv appeared and you asked how big she was, I pulled the strain info for her and here’s what it says:

Strain info from Mehisto says:

• Genetic Heritage: 'The Livers' (cutting) x Sour Crack F4 Regular auto
• Size - 45-65cm Height/Width 35-50cm
• Structure - compact but bushy
• Indica/Sativa - 80/20
• Cycle Time - 60-70 days from sprout
• Average Yield - 90-120g as a single plant
• Cannabinoids - Estimated over 20% total cannabinoids total cannabinoids.
• Aroma and flavour: A Sweet/Sour/Fruity/Skunky combination
• She does respond nicely to some gentle LST if you wish to, but really her natural bushiness makes it uneccesary for the most part.
  • She absolutely benefits from some leaf tucking to expose those lateral branches she pushes out from early on, and encourage them to grow upwards and you'll be in for a treat of a mini-multicola'd gal.
  • It's also worth clearing out fluff on the internal and lower parts of the Sour Livers to ensure all energy gets diverted to the primo sites. A very small amount of work in those areas will result in the best possible results.
• Medicinal qualities: Great for appetite stimulation, aches and pains, and insomnia.

So maybe short isn't a bad thing; once lights are back on around 4pm I’ll measure her height. Also, I’m seriously considering topping her (once she’s just big enough) and then going with LST from there on out (may need your help there @Jon !)

 

[StoneOtter]

Hey Stone! How goes it?

High, good, staying busy! Been getting out walking local rail trails lately. It's not likely but maybe getting into better shape.

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

High, good, staying busy! Been getting out walking local rail trails lately. It's not likely but maybe getting into better shape.

Every little bit helps they say!

 

[StoneOtter]

Every little bit helps they say!

I feel better already but I'm not getting things done because I'm tired and sore. I'm hoping to get better at it and it fuels the day. Most folks get that, I'm a little slow these days.

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

I feel better already but I'm not getting things done because I'm tired and sore. I'm hoping to get better at it and it fuels the day. Most folks get that, I'm a little slow these days.

I totally hear ya - I stand for 5 minutes and my back and feet are killing me; it sucks getting old

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

@Krissi1982 - Liv is 2” tall from the top of the rooter to the tops of her leaves … short? average? about right? She’s 16 days old

 

[StoneOtter]

I totally hear ya - I stand for 5 minutes and my back and feet are killing me; it sucks getting old

Yep it does. Could be worse, we got weed