Autos v. Photos - A 5x5 No Rules Fight for Yield: A Jon & NickHardy Gig

Calmag oac is nitrogen free but we can't get it over here unless we pay 4 X the pice. In the us is maybe a few dollars more then the usual.

Shogun calmag is 2.6-0-0 which I use then cut calmag late flower.
 
Its really all about the Calcium in soil, especially if you can get a myco colony going. Ca is like gasoline for them I understand - but that’s more from Mr. Keffka’s teachings - if he drops by.

Ha , guilty as charged I use 4-0-0 + Fe from seedling to harvest. May account for why probably my leaves remain green to the end (apart from where I have occasionally burnt or otherwise mistreated them! I guess through laziness - one 20L jerry can lasts a couple of grows. What off the shelf product would you recommend for late flower?
Calimagic 1-0-0! I know there's other products aswell and someone can probably add to the list of Ca/Mg products with no to very little nitrogen.

In EU under T.A it's named Calcium/Magnesium 1-0-0 and is lacking chelated iron to stop it from being a straight copy. They list the T.A version as Calcium nitrate based but I think that's not the full story if you look at the NPK.

Cheers!
 
I enjoy coco coir growing and have experimented and found to mix Coco Loco w/ Canna brick or bag coco coir and Dyno-myco to establish a mushroom colony in several of my 3 gal. material bags. Mycology at play I call it. I use Canna Coco nutes, and add "Rooted Leaf" by Agritech in veg and sometimes in flower but usually early. I am having trouble with verigated leaves appearing on one plant and am using Epsom salt to help the symptom. SS
 
Forgive my ignorance but aren’t you supposed to add cal-mag with hydro? Or is that only something with coco? CL🍀
I do add calmag. A good bit. There is the Remo MagNifiCal (their calmag) which I use currently at 8 ml/gallon (by the Remo chart) and I’m at 1/2 tbsp (7.39 ml) per gallon added on top of that of my own. Most folks would think this is way overdoing the calmag. You can clearly see from my grow it is not. Not only does coco leach it a lot, autos also use it more under LED than photos. That much is what is required. And as you have also seen both now and in the past, my calmag usage results in the fact that I almost never have deficiencies or plants out of green. Anyway, that’s just what I do.
 
Coco coir. People use it to buffer pH in DWC and that's why you'll find recommendations to add it in hydro. Potassium silicate do the same and more in water cultures, potassium bicarbonate also work well as a pH up buffer.

I don't recommend using "Calmag" that's Calcium and Magnesium nitrate based with 4-0-1 in late flower since the added nitrogen will work against you and affect appearance and yield.
I agree @Wastei - I discontinue all calmag usage as of week six(ish) of flower and only if required do I ever pull it back out. That’s a great point and a very very common mistake, using calmag to the end.
 
I grow with soil although I have been told that I should switch to coco. But I’m still curious about other methods of growing hence the question. CL🍀 :thanks:
You must add cal mag to every feed you ever give the plant, which is daily, in coco. It’s an inert medium. The plant only eats what you give it in coco. Calmag is 100% required every feed. I learned that from the master, @Bill284.
 
Most folks would think this is way overdoing the calmag.
I'm not most people! I don't how ours compare as different products but we're at 2.5ml/L of 4-0-0 Fe Loads of the stuff.

Minor update, its a mini heat wave here at the moment 38c Rh 65%. The tent temp spiked so turned the gas on a bit. The temp is there even if the light isn't, its not going to do any harm, to the plants, even if not all utilised.
 
Its really all about the Calcium in soil, especially if you can get a myco colony going. Ca is like gasoline for them I understand - but that’s more from Mr. Keffka’s teachings - if he drops by.

Ha , guilty as charged I use 4-0-0 + Fe from seedling to harvest. May account for why probably my leaves remain green to the end (apart from where I have occasionally burnt or otherwise mistreated them! I guess through laziness - one 20L jerry can lasts a couple of grows. What off the shelf product would you recommend for late flower?
Imho, you don’t need another product, just discontinue calmag or your 4-0-0 stuff around week six. That is what I’d do.
 
I'm not most people! I don't how ours compare as different products but we're at 2.5ml/L of 4-0-0 Fe Loads of the stuff.
About the same. I’m using 2-0-0 Humboldt’s Secret CalMag plus Iron as the extra and I believe the Remo is 3-0-0. Pretty much the same thing.
 
Calimagic 1-0-0! I know there's other products aswell and someone can probably add to the list of Ca/Mg products with no to very little nitrogen.

In EU under T.A it's named Calcium/Magnesium 1-0-0 and is lacking chelated iron to stop it from being a straight copy. They list the T.A version as Calcium nitrate based but I think that's not the full story if you look at the NPK.

Cheers!
Calimagic eh? I’ve been looking for a 1-0-0. Mine is 2-0-0. Still pretty low.
 
Jungle
Day 50


Made it to a milestone day, day 50, the day I call halfway home! So far so good. This morning was even out the canopy day. Normally that might consist of something like moving branches around. Not here. To even this canopy I have to raise and lower entire plants. This is a serious pain in the ass. Takes forever and is very physical for a wheelie dude, and just for kicks, Jah and Co. decided to make it so it was the three plants in the middle row that had to come up. The hardest three of course, lol. But I got it done. That and a few leaves plucked to get light and open up the denser plants like the Bruce Banner #3, everyone watered, ph steady in my reservoirs, and all is good in the jungle.

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We are talking tiny percentages here, 2% N diluted roughly 1:1000
Can't believe it makes that much difference?
Is that a question for me? Not sure I understand the question. Could you please clarify for my stupid high brain? Lol. Thanks.
 
1L (2x500ml) of Calimagic by GH 1-0-0 ordered. I could tell you how much I paid but you might tell my wife.

1L lol. We use about 300ml a day all told I think. Still one grow give it a go. These girls will have a dedicated nute tank from Sunday so easy to keep separate.

Edit - found a local one 2-0-0 for $3.50 a litre - $14 a gallon. That's more like it. I'll try that in our next big grow.
 
Plants handle all kinds of nute brands with different ratios and most do fine and contain enough Ca and Mg
Any bottled nutes are mixed up per L of water [or equivalent] so 1ml/L is 1:1000
I don't think the difference between N 0.004% and N 0.001%is crucial, that's all I'm sayin'
 
Plants handle all kinds of nute brands with different ratios and most do fine and contain enough Ca and Mg
Any bottled nutes are mixed up per L of water [or equivalent] so 1ml/L is 1:1000
I don't think the difference between N 0.004% and N 0.001%is crucial, that's all I'm sayin'
I get you but cal mag is not supplier specific just Nx -0 -0 i could feed less I guess but I don’t want so much N - I do want the flower. At some point the fans need to go and chlorophyl is the enemy when it comes to cure.
 
I'll add TPS calmag to the list of 0-0-0 versions. Available on Amazon here in the States.

Coco retains rather than leaches calcium and magnesium. That's why coco growers add more.
Thanks for the input! The organic version they sell is however not recommended to be used as a pH buffering agent in hydro where nitrate based and carbonate based still has its place.
 
I'm not aware of any hydro growers using calmag to regulate their pH, but if those folks are out there then indeed there is nothing in 0-0-0 that will have any effect on the pH of the solution.
I'm just forwarding what TPS state about their own product:
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Cheers!
 
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