Ase's Perpetual Fun With Coco

Suntana said:
You just end up with a shit load of larf if you over do it. Best to keep it the way you've got it man.
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It'd be hard to convince me to change my ways, considering I feel like I've kind of come up with my own way to train and my own feeding schedule. I do think it works so if it isn't broke, I'm not trying to fix it. Got a Plant of the Month title and haven't been to a dispensary in 11 months. Most friends that smoke it say they like it better than what they can get a dispensary.

I'm open to little changes or innovative ideas that may cause me to tweak things but I'm pretty set. Photos are my thing and I don't see that changing.
 
Asesino85 said:
It'd be hard to convince me to change my ways, considering I feel like I've kind of come up with my own way to train and my own feeding schedule. I do think it works so if it isn't broke, I'm not trying to fix it. Got a Plant of the Month title and haven't been to a dispensary in 11 months. Most friends that smoke it say they like it better than what they can get a dispensary.

I'm open to little changes or innovative ideas that may cause me to tweak things but I'm pretty set. Photos are my thing and I don't see that changing.
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Was just throwing ideas out there. Wasn't trying to change your ways haha
 
Seaweed Farmz said:
Was just throwing ideas out there. Wasn't trying to change your ways haha
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Yeah, I know you weren't. No idea is a bad idea. I've thought about the pure numbers you could get with autos, believe me. If I did outdoor I would do them for sure. Maybe if I had a way to sell it or something I would look more into that. In the end this is more just so I can avoid a dispensary, so if I can achieve that then it's all about quality and you just can't get the same grade stuff out of an auto plant is all. You can get good stuff but I have yet to be convinced that they are even in the same ballpark when it comes to final quality.

You got a journal going? I'd love to follow to see how yours turn out.
 
Asesino85 said:
Yeah, I know you weren't. No idea is a bad idea. I've thought about the pure numbers you could get with autos, believe me. If I did outdoor I would do them for sure. Maybe if I had a way to sell it or something I would look more into that. In the end this is more just so I can avoid a dispensary, so if I can achieve that then it's all about quality and you just can't get the same grade stuff out of an auto plant is all. You can get good stuff but I have yet to be convinced that they are even in the same ballpark when it comes to final quality.

You got a journal going? I'd love to follow to see how yours turn out.
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Bro I feel like you might be selling autos short. I know like even a year ago they weren't very good the best of them barely breaking 20% thc with very little flavor or smell. But things have changed a bit my friend I have been following lots of auto journals on a site called grow diaries dot com (420 mag blocks the real url) and people are pulling 100% nugs no larf. Full flavors, potency on par with some photoperiods. Things are changing fast as genetics are spread and experimented with.

I hear ya though, photoperiods are good quality every time for the most part as long as you know half way what you're doing. And yeah I have a journal I'll post a link.
 
Seaweed Farmz said:
Bro I feel like you might be selling autos short. I know like even a year ago they weren't very good the best of them barely breaking 20% thc with very little flavor or smell. But things have changed a bit my friend I have been following lots of auto journals on a site called grow diaries dot com (420 mag blocks the real url) and people are pulling 100% nugs no larf. Full flavors, potency on par with some photoperiods. Things are changing fast as genetics are spread and experimented with.

I hear ya though, photoperiods are good quality every time for the most part as long as you know half way what you're doing. And yeah I have a journal I'll post a link.
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I've seen plenty of good auto journals. There was a guy on here for a while that really promoted autos and I learned and tried them because of him. I feel like I have a good grasp on growing them and these weren't my first and just not as happy with them as my photos in the past. It comes down to personal experience for me when making those comments on autos. Maybe I didn't do something right with the 5-6 that I've grown? I feel like my Headlights was really smooth and the Cherry Bomb went really well too. I have a few friends that grow and they all agree with me about autos. They do seem to be the wave of the future though and with quicker grow times and the ability to grow under almost any light cycle, I understand why.

Also I'm not trying to make it sound like autos are terrible or it's all garbage. In my experience the bud is about 75% the quality of a photo. There is a lot of science to it and even though the gap has closed, the ceiling (potential) just isn't as high. The genetics just don't allow it to be as good as a photo in quality.

I'm also not here trying to convince people to choose one or the other. For the most part the people that follow this journal like my style and my ideas. These are just my experiences and i've tried to be as unbiased in my grows while they happen so people can get a fair assessment. The end result will always be the biggest factor in my opinions though and unfortunately my opinion on autos remains the same. I want the highest quality stuff I can do and you just will never get the highest quality with autos. You may get close but close isn't good enough for what I want.

Link worked fine, I'll catch up sometime today.
 
Asesino85 said:
I've seen plenty of good auto journals. There was a guy on here for a while that really promoted autos and I learned and tried them because of him. I feel like I have a good grasp on growing them and these weren't my first and just not as happy with them as my photos in the past. It comes down to personal experience for me when making those comments on autos. Maybe I didn't do something right with the 5-6 that I've grown? I feel like my Headlights was really smooth and the Cherry Bomb went really well too. I have a few friends that grow and they all agree with me about autos. They do seem to be the wave of the future though and with quicker grow times and the ability to grow under almost any light cycle, I understand why.

Also I'm not trying to make it sound like autos are terrible or it's all garbage. In my experience the bud is about 75% the quality of a photo. There is a lot of science to it and even though the gap has closed, the ceiling (potential) just isn't as high. The genetics just don't allow it to be as good as a photo in quality.

I'm also not here trying to convince people to choose one or the other. For the most part the people that follow this journal like my style and my ideas. These are just my experiences and i've tried to be as unbiased in my grows while they happen so people can get a fair assessment. The end result will always be the biggest factor in my opinions though and unfortunately my opinion on autos remains the same. I want the highest quality stuff I can do and you just will never get the highest quality with autos. You may get close but close isn't good enough for what I want.

Link worked fine, I'll catch up sometime today.
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I don't disagree with anything you just said at all very fair assessment. And you're absolutely right, if you want the very best bud quality, photos are the only way to go. Our goals might be a little different for a I am a concentrate type of person I don't care for any plant matter, I'll smoke it if I have to but it's not my preference. I definitely have a huge respect for some classic top shelf bud. So for me like if I get larf, it's just going in a bubble bag or it's going to be dried to a crisp and ran over screens.

Namaste brother. Keep up the good work, plants are beautiful, nothing else matters.
 
Asesino85 said:
Flower Day 41 - Veg Day 23 - Auto Day 97

The Cherry Bomb Auto got chopped today. The girls in the veg tent were starting to grow vigorously again and they will need the space and full light. The trichs on this girl were about 10% clear and 90% cloudy. I didn't really see any amber and I bet she could go about another week but I don't think she would have gotten much bigger. For an auto, I am very happy how she turned out. Once I gave her a haircut I could see how nice the bud looks and with all those curled up leaves gone she looks lovely again.

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The nugs were sticky, dense and stacked so nicely.

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Quick shot of the flower tent.
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Veg girls.
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Sorry I am late getting back around to your journal Ase, congrats on that harvest brother! Very well done! The Cherry Bomb looks delicious!
 
Flower Day 46 - Veg Day 28

I finally did some training on these girls now that all branches were long enough. I tried to make the gap between coco and the first branches higher by letting them grow a little taller this time before doing LST. It also would favor that they would be aggressively growing by letting them just grow vertical for a bit after topping, that way when I train them they don't slow down much. Both seemed to work as I wanted. What I didn't expect was now the stakes I use to pin them down were not tall enough to pin them down. I put the stakes in the ground and used some rubber tomato wire to pull down the branches for LST. Works fine. I ran out of time to train them more today but you can see how fast they are growing.

The Lost Coast OG hasn't been trained because I want it to grow a bit more vertical before I do. It seems to be picking up the pace but I'm just going to let it get into aggressive veg mode before I do anything to it. The Cali OG I accidentally snapped a branch and it wasn't savable so I mimicked what I accidentally did to the other side to keep things even. I should still end up with four even branches with the unorthodox way I did it.

The white looking leaves are actually reflection of my flash on my camera against the glossiness of the leaf. Kind of looks like a deficiency but it's not. Instead of just two main colas now they all have an even four colas. I will do more defoliation and training tomorrow since my last session was a few days ago. I'll include a picture when I am done to show them spread out.
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The Flower girls just keep moving along. I am sticking to my schedule and trying to make sure I feed twice a day. They can handle just once per day but I get better results with less issues when I can do twice. The runoff PH and PPMs seem to stay in better range since the coco isn't drying out as much when I get two feeds per day. The Amnesiac still has fire red hairs and at each node is like a golf ball. Super dense and just growing golf balls all over. The White Widow is frosty and sticky but the bud hasn't swelled much yet. I do think it's a week behind the others. The Jack Herer has stacked nicely and if it finishes nicely, little Jack looks to be a contender for best yielding plant between the three.

White Widow on the left, Jack on the right, Amnesiac in the back.
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Those girls look fantastic Ase! I know that flower tent smells amazing!
 
Veg Day 33

You guys are not in a time warp. I had vacation brain when I was trying to do the math on my first update back from vacation and yesterday was not Veg Day 28, it was 32. That makes today 33. I promised a picture of the training I did and here is a picture of them right after pulling on them. They are aggressively growing and should bounce back fast. I took off 4 big leaves from each plant (symmetrical of course). I'm trying to resist the urge and not cut so many off in veg. I need to be happy with these girls in 9 days. Goal is a 6 week veg that is big enough to fill my flower tent and I think these are on their way.

This round of training is similar to my last. I top at the 4th node and leave the 3rd and 4th node and trim down everything else. Then I let it grow vertical a bit. Then I pull the two main stems horizontal leaving them at just a slight diagonal upward. When the 3rd nodes two branches get as vertical as the 4th's I begin to pull them horizontal as well, creating 4 main branches. After that I tie any larger branches that grow down and create a bowl shape out of the main branches. It's like a flux/4-way LST hybrid.

What I am changing this time is usually I would tie down the first nodes on each of the 4 main branches creating 8 more big colas. This gave 4 main colas and 8 big ones and then whatever in the middle that grew nicely and would give me about 25 nice ones altogether and then a sum of medium ones. Sometimes the 4 "big" ones from the lower branches didn't get big enough though and I'm trying to change that. This time I am tying down just the first set of nodes on the two upper main branches and leaving the first ones on the lower main branches to just grow straight up through the middle of each plant.

When they bounce back I will get a picture and show what I mean. When they just have been trained they obviously are not perky and happy so it is hard to tell. I will also be trimming off more branches early that I know are going to have a hard time making it due to where they are positioned. I have always erred on the side of caution and hoped they'd make it but I can tell now if they will make it or not. Cutting off a number of those early will just force the energy into the main or "big" ones and hopefully a little better yield.

I am also letting them grow vertical a bit more in between hard training and I am limiting my defoliation to just over sized fan leaves. This should keep them growing like nothing is happening and still expose everything to light. Anyways, here they are at their messiest and I will update as soon as they look happy again but likely that will be in about 18-24 hours from now.

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Veg Day 34

The bounce back has occurred. This is about 19-20 hours later. It was right when I got home from work so no idea how long they had looked happy for but I'd guess 16-18 hours from training. That is what I mean by aggressive growth. The plants are all just moving right now. I'll let them go vertical for a couple days now and train again.

The training on the Cali OG in the bottom left is actually looking like it might work out to be nice and even.
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Purple Envy
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Derbybud said:
Looking good
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Thanks Derby! Seems crazy to me to think that I need to plan my next of girls to grow soon. This 5 weeks has flown by so far on the veg girls.
 
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