Another Tabletop Crop: Carmen's Spring Grow With Vipar Spectra XS 1500 Pro
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Hey Bode
Thank you. Yes, very different. I'll be disappointed if this XXL plant remains small. I hope there'll be some stretch at least. The last RR XXL that I grew was short and squat but I did do a quad and that may very well have caused stunting. I want to try and be a little gentler with this grow and encourage a stretch. Happy smoking too!
Good Morning to one down under. 
Oh, don't forget your refreshment.
edit: it's a quarter to 5 am and your not up yet?
Rough night?
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Wow, look gorgeous! All the hard work is worth it.
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Red Russian XXL auto 1
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They look really happy. The training is going nicelyRed Russian XXL auto 1
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Autos gonna auto! Pretty flowers though.
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Thank you Bode. The little problem plant that is flowering so young has leaf tips curling too. I wonder what that is all about. I confess I am disappointed that this plant hasn't grown in size. I do feel it is a bit of a waste of light. I might start a new plant and push this one out to the side. I'll see. I managed three plants under these 2 @ViparSpectra XS1500 Pros in my last grow.
Thank you Gee. I am not sure what is going to happen with the RR2 that refuses to grow anything other than flowers, but the RR1 looks like it may train out nicely. I'm just thinking of all the electricity going into that tiny plant and wondering if I shouldn't do a gee and pull ze plug.They look really happy. The training is going nicely
Cray-cray. Can you Adam and Eve it? It does look pretty which makes me uncomfortable since it is a complete waste of electricity. Should I pull the plug on it? I won't kill it. What do you think?Autos gonna auto! Pretty flowers though.
I think dropping another seed would be a great idea. 
Wastei
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Hey Carmen!
What's your reason to grow Auto's indoors when the Ruderalis genes is overall more unstable and less potent than photo period plants?
Autos where breed for growing outdoors in temperate climates in the northern hemisphere with longer days than 12 hours.
When there's more risk for genetic defects and sub par performance I would personally never risk and use all the time, cost and energy to grow an inferior product in a controlled environment? I'm just curious about the reasons people keep growing Auto's indoors when that's not what they were bred for in the first place?
Cheers!
What's your reason to grow Auto's indoors when the Ruderalis genes is overall more unstable and less potent than photo period plants?
Autos where breed for growing outdoors in temperate climates in the northern hemisphere with longer days than 12 hours.
When there's more risk for genetic defects and sub par performance I would personally never risk and use all the time, cost and energy to grow an inferior product in a controlled environment? I'm just curious about the reasons people keep growing Auto's indoors when that's not what they were bred for in the first place?
Cheers!
Autos are ideal for folks (like Carmen) who have no way of creating a 12/12 schedule (no way to lightproof), as well as those whose lights might not have the power to produce sufficient DLI in only 12 hours of light if the grower can create it.
Also, autos are definitely bred for indoors as they tend to produce a much higher yield in more controlled environmental conditions indoors than the wildly varied ones they can encounter outside.
Also also, this:
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Wastei
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Did you ever grow the first generation Lowryder and know the origin story in the UK with the "Joint doctor"? It was solely bred for outdoor because people where not able to grow plants all the way through flower where I'm at. I grew the first generation Lowryders outdoors 20 years ago because we had no other choice? People grew them indoors more as a novelty back then because you had to get your plant count up outdoors when the final yield was only 5-15g per plant.
Nowadays it has come down to marketing where newcomers get the impression that autos yield more than photos? While that might be true in an optimal situation where everything's in place like you won the seed lottery and have no means of shading your grow? The tables are turned when you get a dud or you grow in a perpetual growing situation where Autos have no real place.
As a medicinal Cannabis user I have to be able to trust that my results are up to standards. I would loose all the control growing Auto's and it brings to much guess work and no stability for a big scale production grow.
Everything has its place but I would never advice anyone to grow Autos indoors. Cheers!
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Thank you @Wastei and @InTheShed I'll quickly post some progress pics on the RR2 and then I will address the conversation about auto growing.
You formed your opinion on autos 20 years ago and haven't budged since? That doesn't account for the vast changes in the entire cannabis industry and the current auto seeds available.
You started by saying that auto produced an "inferior product" and now your complaint is that they won't yield more than photos? I don't recall anyone advertising that autos will produce more than photos, though they can on a grams/day basis.
So you would advise Carmen to grow what? Between her inability to create a 12 hour dark period on her kitchen table to the load shedding periods where she has no electricity at all, she should do what?
You really should check out @Jon's or @farside05's autoflowering plants and see if things might have changed in the last 20 years. I know I have.
Cheers!
Wastei
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Then it's also important to note that all top Photo period plants tests higher than their Auto counterpart..
I have been growing Auto's since the early 2000's since you often get freebies that they want to focus their marketing on since it brings higher sales of seeds and profit.
Cheers!
Jon picks autos with THC content in the upper 20s, grows them inside, and just pulled 50oz from 8 plants. And there are plenty of low THC photos as well.
None of what you're saying helps Carmen, or anyone in a situation similar to one I mentioned above. Autos can be an excellent choice indoors for many growers, and I don't recommend them to anyone growing outside.
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Hi Wastei, needs must. Shed gave the broad brush strokes for why one would choose to grow autos. My country has a very unstable electrical grid and unless I buy a generator I can't promise the plants a consistent lighting schedule. I don't have the means to set up a photoperiod grow indoors and I am unable to grow outdoors at this time.
Thank you Shed. I've been very happy with the flavor, aroma and strength of my autos, and with the exception of the Skywalker OG which was a runt that I manhandled.
Some of the most remarkable and large, prize winning autos are grown indoors, so I beg to differ. I appreciate your perspective but take a look at what LKA, Virgin Ground, Justin Goody, Jon, Boohoo2 and others are doing with autos.
I come from a photoperiod background. I've only been growing autos for 2 years but I am getting my meds grown and I am enjoying the challenge.
Wastei
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I need to see those numbers with my own eyes to believe it, total THC and cannabinoids? So what would someone do in my situation if I were not able to grow indoors? We never get down to 12 hours of sun during summer months and the season is not long enough for finishing photos?Jon picks autos with THC content in the upper 20s, grows them inside, and harvests over 10 ounces from many if not most of his. There are plenty of low THC photos as well.
None of this helps Carmen, or anyone in a situation similar to one I mentioned above. Autos can be an excellent choice indoors for many growers, and I don't recommend them to anyone growing outside.
No photo finishes outdoors where I'm at so I don't know how you can say that you would never recommend anyone growing them outdoors?
Everything has its place and to better be able to help you can't except everyone to live at the exact same location with the same environment as you do locally?
I'm confused Wastei, is this just you saying that you don't want to grow them indoors?
I'm saying I wouldn't recommend it. As Carmen aptly put it (and as my mother would say): "needs must."
Everything has its place, which is why folks grow autos indoors. They produce more than they do outside when grown in a controlled environment, such as those growing in tents. And even those folks get the occasional short-vegging shorty.
If you can produce outdoor autos like these, grow after grow, every time, that's great news. I have never done it and haven't seen it done consistently.