A Base Treatment Regimen For Cancer

[walleye]

I think I would love to ride to biker bars while I worry all about this and ponder the nature of this holiday upon us. God it's good to be here!

 

[SweetSue]

Here is an interesting article I came across. Can cannabis cure cancer?

An excellent article Dave. Thanks for the link. I brought back a few relevant words on this matter:

But still, in relative terms clinical trials for the use of cannabis in cancer treatment are few and far between. The proximity to death of many cancer patients makes traditional testing difficult.

'It's true,' says Guzmán, 'that in orthodox pharmacology, we always require complex trials that are double blind and randomised, but I think ethically speaking (in cancer) short cuts should be allowed'.
He also points out that companies are also less inclined to invest in trials for compounds like cannabinoids that can't be patented.

This lack of clinical trials is the main criticism levelled by cancer charities like Cancer Research UK who say, 'virtually all the scientific research investigating whether cannabinoids can treat cancer has been done using cancer cells grown in the lab or animal models. It's important to be cautious when extrapolating these results up to real live patients, who tend to be a lot more complex than a Petri dish or a mouse'.

Something that Guzmán tends to agree with.

'One has to consider when one cures cancer in a mouse, it's not really cancer, it's a model of cancer which has only part of the characteristics of human cancer. So the gap between curing the cancer in a mouse and curing the cancer in a human is enormously huge.

'But even in a sophisticated cancer model in mice — in the end mice are mice. It's not just a 25 gram human. Mice have a much simpler biology than ours and mice are much stronger than we are. They have a strong capacity for tissue regeneration, they have a very strong immune system, much more than ours.

'In mice there are hundreds of molecules that can cure cancer, but there are very few molecules that can do that in humans.'

It's a complex situation Howieman. It would benefit the patients and their families if we could find a common ground. No one is twisting any arms and cannabis comes with kind side effects like euphoria and appetite, and in a great number of cases it comes with healing, by whatever means.

I personally think you're wrong on the faith point. If you enter any protocol without faith you're pretty well doomed, aren't you? The connection between your ECS and your limbic system will likely guarantee that you'll get what you expect, in life and in healing.

I notice you've skated past my question on your knowledge of the ECS and its function in the human body. Is there a reason for that, or is it simply being missed with all the words?

 

[CajunCelt]

Or a single well documented case trial where cannabis was used as a first line treatment.

Show the data or otherwise be, you know the term, a snake oil salesman.

It didn't/doesn't take a genius to find the studies. Get off your soapbox for a sec & put out your own energy.
Or, you know the terms, ignorant AND lazy.
And on the subject....
I am a well documented case using cannabis as a frontline treatment.
Not just the palitive effects.
Also, a snake oil salesmen sales. None of us do. We do not benefit from this in anyway financially.

 

[Randoobula]

Hey gang! You don't know me, but you soon will. This board saved my life.

Howie - Your writing sounds EXACTLY the same as Randoobula. I thought I was reading his writing! The same snarky kind of trying to get a rise out of folks. And, did you know that people, even when altering personalities, tend to write in the same manner? That is unless that author is conscious enough to know that people like me can tell the difference? Then they purposely are intentional and adapt it to a different projection. You can just go post to post and see the difference in EVERY author. It's obvious. Except you and Randoobula.

Brother - free speech! I think what I want and I don't get held down by the man. Yeah. FYI - anyone who has to defend himself by saying that doesn't sound very firm in their values to begin with. Personally, I assume everybody already knows there's free speech. So, therefore, I don't have to use that as a crutch to try and make myself seem like I am being victimized or a martyr. I do know how you are so for the people, brother...I don't get it.

In addition, I find it very odd because I have been following these people for over a year, and I have yet to see one asshole... But then they get two back to back? Like within a day? Weird. I would personally ignore you. I definitely plan on it if the occasion calls for it. That will be every occasion that you address me... my time is valuable. No need to feed the animals...waste.of.energy.

Anyway.. hi again gang! I will tell you my story when I get some time. But yeah... you guys... you saved my life. Thank you all. Talk soon!

Regardless what you think of me and my character flaws, I'm happy that this group has changed your life for the better. It's a unique group of intelligent, upbeat, caring, and passionate people that I feel blessed to have come across. I look forward to hearing your story and hope you will become an active member and lend your voice to the cause we are all so passionate about.

I read your comments shortly after rolling out of bed this morning and have to admit they set me back. But I have to own my faults and shortcomings... yes I can be snarky. I own to a degree Cajuns perception and past assertion that I'm passive aggressive... I certainly can be. What I do not own is your judgement that I'm an asshole and that my intent is to get a rise out of people. That said, I certainly can understand you getting that impression. All I can say is that I'm working on it.

I'm ok with it. I've come a long way from the empty shell I once was. I also tend to be verbose and to a degree, self-indulgent. I believe these to be a carry-over from my identity being formed under the control and manipulation of a narcissist. Much of my writing is a therapeutic endeavor and for that reason selfish. I often feel as though it is a burden to others, and for that I sincerely apologize. My hope is that I have enough to offer that my brand of disfunction can be tolerated.

If at some point your impression that I'm an asshole diminishes, maybe we could delve deeper into some points you made. I see in your words someone who is insightful and likely a deeper thinker than most. In fact, it's my guess that even as you wrote the following, you may have had a sense that it wouldn't be understood.

"And, did you know that people, even when altering personalities, tend to write in the same manner? That is unless that author is conscious enough to know that people like me can tell the difference? Then they purposely are intentional and adapt it to a different projection."

I'm conscious of the fact that you THINK you have rightly judged me. My hope is that you are conscious enough to recognize that perceiving others as purposefully intentional when the egoic construct that is their illusionary facade is seen for what it is, can itself be a mechanism used by the ego as it measures itself against others. I'm well aware of the cunning and power of the human ego. We are all under its influence to varying degrees. Obviously, I'm no exception. Mine has reared its ugly head a time or two on this forum. I deeply regret that fact.

I'm sure there's a better place than this thread for this. In fact, I'm thinking I might need to just stick to focus on growing and oil making and take self out of it entirely. After all, the addiction to self is the source of most all dysfunction. I'm most happy and at peace when I'm focused upon the needs and wellbeing of others. LOL!... even that can be about self!!

Anyway, welcome and all my best to ya!

LMAO!! I just can't help myself! One more point...

I do have to disagree with you about Howieman. I really haven't seen in him any more arrogance than you and I have displayed in the expression of our opinions. If anyone needs to be labeled "the worst offender", I'll take it upon myself. While only I know the experiences that have led to my passion, frustration, and even anger, they don't justify my confrontational, snarky, and disrespectful expressions. For that, I again apologize.

 

[SweetSue]

I'm sure there's a better place than this thread for this. In fact, I'm thinking I might need to just stick to focus on growing and oil making and take self out of it entirely.

.....Yeah..... If my voice carries any weight, please don't do that. It's lonely enough out here in the trenches. I have a sense about you, so I'm hoping you can work past this.

 

[CajunCelt]

My only words to both of you newer members is that you reap what you sow.
Go back several dozen pages here & you'll be hard pressed to find many disagreements or childishness. Much less disrespect, etc.
If you bust through certain doors like you're John Wayne, you need to expect some fire your way.
Most on this thread are very respectful AND respectable. Combined with their intelligence, this can be a tough room for"John Waynes".
Lots of these folks are true pioneers in cannabis as a med & deserve to be talked to like they've been somewhere.

I'll comeback when the silliness is over.
Happy 4th everyone.

 

[Randoobula]

.....Yeah..... If my voice carries any weight, please don't do that. It's lonely enough out here in the trenches. I have a sense about you, so I'm hoping you can work past this.

Thanks Sue. It's just a pride issue and odd as it may sound, I'm actually grateful for the criticism. It causes me another look in the mirror and without that I'd remain totally ignorant of the spiritual reality of who I truly am... held captive behind the facade painted by the same mechanism(ego) that judges itself by comparison to other facades. No growth happens without honestly and humility. I hope I didn't sound like a victim. The only person or thing I'm a victim to is myself. He wasn't far off. At the end of the day it's ALL worth it if even the smallest truth is revealed... whether that be about physical or spiritual healing.

Your voice DOES carry weight! You make a difference! I appreciate you!

 

[Dave Groomer]

My only words to both of you newer members is that you reap what you sow.
Go back several dozen pages here & you'll be hard pressed to find many disagreements or childishness. Much less disrespect, etc.
If you bust through certain doors like you're John Wayne, you need to expect some fire your way.
Most on this thread are very respectful AND respectable. Combined with their intelligence, this can be a tough room for"John Waynes".
Lots of these folks are true pioneers in cannabis as a med & deserve to be talked to like they've been somewhere.

I'll comeback when the silliness is over.
Happy 4th everyone.

And to you my friend. I have a c-99 just going into flower now that I would love to make shatter from....if only I knew how. I remember you saying it was some of the most amazing tasting wax you had tasted.

Enjoy the rest of your day!!!

 

[Dave Groomer]

Thanks Sue. It's just a pride issue and odd as it may sound, I'm actually grateful for the criticism. It causes me another look in the mirror and without that I'd remain totally ignorant of the spiritual reality of who I truly am... held captive behind the facade painted by the same mechanism(ego) that judges itself by comparison to other facades. No growth happens without honestly and humility. I hope I didn't sound like a victim. The only person or thing I'm a victim to is myself. He wasn't far off. At the end of the day it's ALL worth it if even the smallest truth is revealed... whether that be about physical or spiritual healing.

Your voice DOES carry weight! You make a difference! I appreciate you!

Being a better person is something we all can work on on a regular basis. Non of us is perfect and we do the best we can with what life gives us.

As a recovering alcoholic, ego is something I have had to learn to keep in check. It can be a dangerous animal if let loose. The fact that you recognize the shortcomings in yourself, and are willing to work on them, is all you need to keep moving forward. Stay with us and keep adding your input. We are just a big family here (even if we sometime get a little dysfunctional

 

[SweetSue]

My only words to both of you newer members is that you reap what you sow.
Go back several dozen pages here & you'll be hard pressed to find many disagreements or childishness. Much less disrespect, etc.
If you bust through certain doors like you're John Wayne, you need to expect some fire your way.
Most on this thread are very respectful AND respectable. Combined with their intelligence, this can be a tough room for"John Waynes".
Lots of these folks are true pioneers in cannabis as a med & deserve to be talked to like they've been somewhere.

I'll comeback when the silliness is over.
Happy 4th everyone.

Happy 4th Cajun.

 

[Dave Groomer]

Who here is surprised by this article? Chemotherapy may spread cancer and trigger more aggressive tumours, warn scientists

 

[CajunCelt]

Thanks Dave!
WAY off the subject, but should I shave my Aussie's coat? I've heard the longer coat keeps the dogs cooler. Thermal imaging showed the same.
Thoughts Dave?

 

[CajunCelt]

I'm in a cabin on a lake in the mountains with a chapter of Hells Angels.
These guys are pretty cool actually...so far. They've fed me, all the beer I want & I got them VERY high. Lol.

 

[Dave Groomer]

Thanks Dave!
WAY off the subject, but should I shave my Aussie's coat? I've heard the longer coat keeps the dogs cooler. Thermal imaging showed the same.
Thoughts Dave?

Funny you should ask. 5 years and we never shaved ours down. About a month ago, my wife said "let's put his ass on the table and shave him down." Cut him down with a 5F blade. He is MUCH cooler. I will let him grow back out, but he is definitely more comfortable in the heat.

 

[SweetSue]

I'm in a cabin on a lake in the mountains with a chapter of Hells Angels.
These guys are pretty cool actually...so far. They've fed me, all the beer I want & I got them VERY high. Lol.

The mental image that sprang to mind

Ahhh.... I'm done for the night. Thanks for that one mon ami. lol!

 

[Radogast]

I'm in a cabin on a lake in the mountains with a chapter of Hells Angels.
These guys are pretty cool actually...so far. They've fed me, all the beer I want & I got them VERY high. Lol.

Glad it's working out. Hunter S Thompson's experience in the 60s and my limited observations in the 70s were a bit different.

 

[walleye]

Take good care of our brother men, I believe you may be closer to truth than religion, with eyes wide open! Cajun, a dog will act kinda weird after their first hair cut. A part of them is missed and they don't understand for a few days but quickly get over it. Peace and no greater love than...

 

[SweetSue]

Take good care of our brother men, I believe you may be closer to truth than religion, with eyes wide open! Cajun, a dog will act kinda weird after their first hair cut. A part of them is missed and they don't understand for a few days but quickly get over it. Peace and no greater love than...

Good morning my manic friend. I'm fascinated by the inner workings of your brain. Lol! I didn't know that about dogs. We must confuse the hell out of them.

 

[Dave Groomer]

Good morning my manic friend. I'm fascinated by the inner workings of your brain. Lol! I didn't know that about dogs. We must confuse the hell out of them.

Not at my house. My dogs all just go with the flow. I have 6 in my home right now, 3 of my own and 3 "guests". It makes for a raucous morning getting them all out.

 

[SweetSue]

Not at my house. My dogs all just go with the flow. I have 6 in my home right now, 3 of my own and 3 "guests". It makes for a raucous morning getting them all out.

I can only imagine Dave.