A Base Treatment Regimen For Cancer

[KingstonRabbi]

I am glad your cancer is under control. Your medical advice however is bs.

Marijuana is excellent as part of the holistic treatment of nausea and mental anguish, but it has ZERO impact on the growth and spread of the cancer cells and the replication of cancer cells.

I encourage all patients to be treated by a competent licensed medical oncologist.- .

The conclusion of all the oncologists I've seen is unanimous: I would be dead without cannabis. The approved treatments could only extend my life a matter of months, 2 years at the absolute most. I went through the treatment anyway hoping for a breakthrough. I read through the studies and it was clear that the new drugs in the pipeline were more of the same, offering maybe a month or two longer, same end result.

There are over 25,000 cites on PubMed demonstrating the effectiveness of cannabis.

Attitudes like yours are the result of propaganda not science.

 

[Dave Groomer]

I am definitely a pharmaceutical person. But really, please encourage people to get proper treatment. I love smoking weed, but it will not have any impact on cancer cell growth, unless you ingest so much it is a cause of a new malignancy (i..e.- the beloved Bob Marley). You've got to be responsible man. It won't help in the ways you hope, not in a single circumstance, ever and never. I want people to get treatment and live longer and better, that's all.

Peace.

You are correct when you say smoking weed will do nothing to treat cancer. Read this whole thread. It says nothing about smoking to treat your cancer.

Read through the entire thread. Do some research on what you read here. Then get back to us.

 

[Dave Groomer]

Here is a link that may interest you. Cannabis Cures Cancer and The Government Has Known Since 1974 - True Disclosure

 

[Howieman]

I am glad your cancer is in remission and sincerely wish you a long and healthy life.

I don't know your case so, good for you.

There is not one single, nor have there been any presentations, publications, or posters at ASCO for the last 5 years I have been attending that demonstrate cannabis effective in killing cancer cells or slowing their growth. Oncologists are a hopeful breed, and would seriously consider any medical approach- doesn't matter its origin.

Its too complicated and detailed for a discussion on a 420 forum. I am glad you took a first line treatment. Sometimes the molecular winds are at your back. I just wanted in this thread to make sure people were going the traditional route and not relying on cannabis as a miracle cure. I have no economic gain in saying this, just general concern for desperate people looking at this site and saying "ah ha- there is a cure".

 

[SweetSue]

I am glad your cancer is in remission and sincerely wish you a long and healthy life.

I don't know your case so, good for you.

There is not one single, nor have there been any presentations, publications, or posters at ASCO for the last 5 years I have been attending that demonstrate cannabis effective in killing cancer cells or slowing their growth. Oncologists are a hopeful breed, and would seriously consider any medical approach- doesn't matter its origin.

Its too complicated and detailed for a discussion on a 420 forum. I am glad you took a first line treatment. Sometimes the molecular winds are at your back. I just wanted in this thread to make sure people were going the traditional route and not relying on cannabis as a miracle cure. I have no economic gain in saying this, just general concern for desperate people looking at this site and saying "ah ha- there is a cure".

Welcome Howie. Thank you for the concerned input. We have no desire to convince anyone to abandon traditional approaches to follow a cannabinoid therapy. Incoming data points to the possibility of potentiating chemo drugs by including cannabis into the regimen. Hopefully we can find a workable middle ground that doesn't take patients to the brink of death in an attempt to save them.

It saddens me that what you say is true. Our government's steadfast refusal to allow the studies that would bolster the confidence of the oncology world has us in a bit of a bind. The number of people using cannabinoid therapies to successfully overcome cancer of all kinds piles up around us while the medical profession insists on hard data and meds that can be more closely controlled.

I personally find it disconcerting that a method with the abysmal success rate like chemo is the method we're being forced into by political maneuvering. That's another discussion for another cup of coffee.

Well, the controlled dosing has already been developed, and quite frankly we're not willing to sit quietly by while people fight for their lives and the lives of their loved ones. Cannabinoids kill cancer cells. This isn't up for dispute anymore. It's proving it that's our next battle. That proof would be a little more quick to show itself if politics and greed could take a vacation and let us get on with natural healing.

 

[Howieman]

SweetSue- good. True, the treatments has been abysmal; until now. I believe that they are getting a handle on solid tumors with new checkpoint inhibitors, and tumors (breast uterine) that are of hormonal types with aromatase inhibitors. I can personally vouch for the latter in my family and in the community that I belong.

Cannabinoid based molecules have had some in-vitro effects, but the rate of cell death not even close to the oldest platinum based chemo. It has NOTHING to do with the fact its pot or any of those stereotypes, or there is no money in it. It just doesn't work- that's life.

But you have a reasonable approach and its not harmful, so as an adjuvant therapy, its as good as anything.

In terms of the debate on coconut oil, butter, or any other dairy fat, should be seriously avoided by women who have hormonal cancers. Estrogen is stored in animal fat, and the inhibitors inhibit production of hormones. Ingestion gets around that. So use coconut oils even if they are high in sat fat.

Best of luck to everyone battling cancer. Some of the threads in this topic have individuals almost proscribing cures. I just wanted to make sure that everyone thinks twice about them, and gets the best care possible.

 

[SweetSue]

SweetSue- good. True, the treatments has been abysmal; until now. I believe that they are getting a handle on solid tumors with new checkpoint inhibitors, and tumors (breast uterine) that are of hormonal types with aromatase inhibitors. I can personally vouch for the latter in my family and in the community that I belong.

Cannabinoid based molecules have had some in-vitro effects, but the rate of cell death not even close to the oldest platinum based chemo. It has NOTHING to do with the fact its pot or any of those stereotypes, or there is no money in it. It just doesn't work- that's life.

But you have a reasonable approach and its not harmful, so as an adjuvant therapy, its as good as anything.

In terms of the debate on coconut oil, butter, or any other dairy fat, should be seriously avoided by women who have hormonal cancers. Estrogen is stored in animal fat, and the inhibitors inhibit production of hormones. Ingestion gets around that. So use coconut oils even if they are high in sat fat.

Best of luck to everyone battling cancer. Some of the threads in this topic have individuals almost proscribing cures. I just wanted to make sure that everyone thinks twice about them, and gets the best care possible.

Our goal as well Howie. Relief is the game I'm playing, and it comes in a myriad of flavors, individually packaged per patient. Personally, I'm sticking with organic, non-GMO EV olive oil. The coconut oil will be reserved for the occasional pan of brownies.

 

[KingstonRabbi]

I took the time to go through ASCO website and found five presentations that mention cannabis. Only one was actually about cannabis (for palliative care). That's a very limited basis for claiming "no credible research."

ASCO is not a repository of research. It's a venue for industry presentations and I wouldn't expect to find any info beyond established practices. I don't mean that as a slam against the organization or the credibility of its members. I just want to point out that it's a very limited source of information. The same is true of the professional organizations I belong to. Unless a topic can attract commercial sponsorship then it won't be presented. You need to look at the actual independent research going on around the world.

As far as being too complicated for this forum, well, that's a cop out excuse. How cannabis works is just as complicated. If you have useful information that's what this forum is for. We want to know what works and what doesn't and why. Please be specific and avoid blanket statements like the ones you started off with.

 

[CCOiler]

Its too complicated and detailed for a discussion on a 420 forum. I am glad you took a first line treatment. Sometimes the molecular winds are at your back. I just wanted in this thread to make sure people were going the traditional route and not relying on cannabis as a miracle cure. I have no economic gain in saying this, just general concern for desperate people looking at this site and saying "ah ha- there is a cure".

So you think that Chemo & radiation is the "cure"? the answer? is the miracle cure? The only good thing that comes from Chemo & radiation is the "house & boat" payments for the pharmy & doctors.

What is the side affects of chemo & radiation?..............CANCER!!! This is a fact that I have witnessed "Mother died from Liver cancer" "Father died of lung cancer" both were in remission for about one year when the cancer came back and killed them. That's my real life family experience. The only thing that the pharmy & doctors did for my parent was to suck them dry of their savings and then sent them home to Hospice.

The pharmys do have a small place in our lives, for example, MOTOCO (Tim) would still be alive if had taken his blood thinners to prevent blood clots.

 

[Randoobula]

I am definitely a pharmaceutical person. But really, please encourage people to get proper treatment. I love smoking weed, but it will not have any impact on cancer cell growth, unless you ingest so much it is a cause of a new malignancy (i..e.- the beloved Bob Marley). You've got to be responsible man. It won't help in the ways you hope, not in a single circumstance, ever and never. I want people to get treatment and live longer and better, that's all.

Peace.

I'm curious what "I am definitely a pharmaceutical person" means. Does that mean you are a firm believer in the chemicals handed out like candy by physicians? Or does that mean you work in the industry?

Marijuana is excellent as part of the holistic treatment of nausea and mental anguish, but it has ZERO impact on the growth and spread of the cancer cells and the replication of cancer cells.
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But pot does not kill cancer cells and no reputable scientist has made any such claims.

Here, you state that cannabis has Zero impact on the growth and spread of cancer cells, and that it does not kill cancer cells.

Cannabinoid based molecules have had some in-vitro effects, but the rate of cell death not even close to the oldest platinum based chemo. It has NOTHING to do with the fact its pot or any of those stereotypes, or there is no money in it. It just doesn't work- that's life.

Here you imply that yes there is some effect, and that there IS cell death, just not even close to that of chemo.

SO WHICH IS IT??!!

It cannot have both zero effect and some effect. My question is... are your statements made out of ignorance or is there a more nefarious motivation?

I feel no need to use tact and sugar coat my reaction to what you've offered here today. Why? Because your statement that, "no reputable scientist has made that claim" (that cannabis kills cancer cells), is a bald faced lie.

You appear too intelligent to simply be ignorant of the facts, which leads me to believe you are motivated by financial gain and work in some capacity with Big Pharma.

Anyone who has read the comments of Howieman, and has doubts as to the efficacy of the treatment of cancer with cannabis, I suggest you do some research.

A good starting point is here: Home - PMC - NCBI
This is the National Center for Biotechnology Information/U.S. National Library of Medicine/U.S. National Institutes of Health

While reading thru scientific journals will make the layman go cross-eyed, even a half-assed attempt will prove that Howieman's statements that 1) no reputable scientist has made the claim that cannabis kills cancer cells, and 2) that cannabis has zero effect on the growth and spread of cancer cells, are patently false!

I would also point out that the federal government owns a patent for the use of cannabinoids for the treatment of neurodegenerative and autoimmune diseases.

United States Patent: 6630507

Why? Why do the Feds own a patent at all, and why cannabis? Yet cannabis remains on the Federal Schedule 1 list of drugs!

Lastly, his statement that the rate of cell death by cannabis isn't anything close to that of the oldest platinum based chemo, leaves out a very significant truth. That is that Cannabis has no know adverse effects upon healthy cells, while chemo kills cells indiscriminately, both healthy and cancerous. Its also a proven fact that through the endocannbinoid system, cannabis supports the body's immune system, while also a proven fact routinely acknowledged by oncologists, chemo decimates the immune system.

While science works to identify the efficacy of the over one hundred different cannabinoids and isolate them in the desire to offer Big Pharm what they need to develop one note synthetic drugs for the treatment of single or sub-sets of symptoms for a given disease, we the people are using full extract cannabis oil for its entourage effects and the anecdotal evidence of its effectiveness in a wide variety of conditions and diseases is absolutely incontrovertible.

 

[Arctic Bowl]

Pretty ironic that our government claims no medicinal value in pot yet, they hold a patent on the exact same plant that has no medicinal value for medicinal use? LMFAO, you just can't make this shit up, only in America would a government get away with such stupidity

 

[Howieman]

ASCO is as reputable a medical organization as there is. Its not an industry trade group. It is where the leading oncologists, scientists, and research bodies meet to discuss the progress of clinical trials in all stages, and new academic and commercial research activities. Its the largest gathering on oncology in the world. Every significant current and future clinical trial is reviewed there.

Real discovery is now occurring at breakthrough rates. Hpwever, The ONLY usage for marijuana in all forms is palliative. There is not a single clinical trial investigating cannibas for anything other than that. No responsible researcher or regulatory body would permit a dual arm trial of cannanis vs chemo/rad/hormone/checkpoint/surgery.

There is no doubt it has palliative value. But claims of curative effects are scoentifically unsubstantiated at best. My fear is that someone who is desperate who doesnot have access to good oncological care would get derailed and try one of these concoctions instead of the traditional route. Sometimes a delay of weeks in getting care can make all of the difference. And some of the threads in this topic endorse cannabis as curative. IT IS NOT CURATIVE.

I have zero financial stake in this, I am a donor and caregiver- thats all. It would be pretty ridiculous and ineffective to use a 420 growing site as some industry rube. I just don't want to see people die prematurely or maybe now unnecessarily.

Cannabis has demonstrated efficacy in motor diseases such as epilepsy, and Parkinson's. It appears to help with wasting, and of course the old standby glaucoma. It may privide pain relief similar to nsaids. Its good. But a cure for cancer, NO.

 

[SweetSue]

ASCO is as reputable a medical organization as there is. Its not an industry trade group. It is where the leading oncologists, scientists, and research bodies meet to discuss the progress of clinical trials in all stages, and new academic and commercial research activities. Its the largest gathering on oncology in the world. Every significant current and future clinical trial is reviewed there.

Real discovery is now occurring at breakthrough rates. Hpwever, The ONLY usage for marijuana in all forms is palliative. There is not a single clinical trial investigating cannibas for anything other than that. No responsible researcher or regulatory body would permit a dual arm trial of cannanis vs chemo/rad/hormone/checkpoint/surgery.

There is no doubt it has palliative value. But claims of curative effects are scoentifically unsubstantiated at best. My fear is that someone who is desperate who doesnot have access to good oncological care would get derailed and try one of these concoctions instead of the traditional route. Sometimes a delay of weeks in getting care can make all of the difference. And some of the threads in this topic endorse cannabis as curative. IT IS NOT CURATIVE.

I have zero financial stake in this, I am a donor and caregiver- thats all. It would be pretty ridiculous and ineffective to use a 420 growing site as some industry rube. I just don't want to see people die prematurely or maybe now unnecessarily.

Cannabis has demonstrated efficacy in motor diseases such as epilepsy, and Parkinson's. It appears to help with wasting, and of course the old standby glaucoma. It may privide pain relief similar to nsaids. Its good. But a cure for cancer, NO.

Howie, you realize you're standing in the middle of a group of individuals who know beyond any doubt that cannabis, properly prepared and dosed, will indeed push cancer into negligible status in the human body and help the wounded system find its way back to homeostasis?

You can stand here and blow this smoke all day long and it won't blurr our vision in the slightest. We work with a medicinal plant that does have great healing potential, and our beliefs are backed by science and experience. We're not a bunch of uninformed zealots. We're fierce cannabis warriors, for lack of a better definition, and we come at this with an eye for serious science and experimentation.

Our family members are finding relief from cancer and many other diseases. We'll go with that truth, thank you very much.

 

[CajunCelt]

I am glad your cancer is under control. Your medical advice however is bs.

Marijuana is excellent as part of the holistic treatment of nausea and mental anguish, but it has ZERO impact on the growth and spread of the cancer cells and the replication of cancer cells.

I encourage all patients to be treated by a competent licensed medical oncologist.- period and FULL STOP. Using checkpoint inhibitors in combination w other therapies, scientists are rapidly getting a handle on solid tumors, and medical cures are on the horizon. Hormonal cancers are also being successfully treated w anti-hormonal agents.

NO serious Researchers, not a single one, are recommending pot as a treatment. Go to the ASCO site American Society of Clinical Oncology | ASCO and look for yourselves.

DO NOT FALL FOR MOST OF THE MEDICAL ADVICE in this thread. Sure, if you want to use pot to handle some of the symptoms, feel free. They likely will work. But pot does not kill cancer cells and no reputable scientist has made any such claims.

Damnit Howie. Your so correct about this all. Well, I for one am changing my entire treatment now.
Hope about strawberry Twizzlers? You with me?

Strawberry Twizzlers, as of today, cures excessive diarrhea in cattle so it must cure cancer too.

Hurry to get your Twizzlers. They'll be gone when the Canadians learn of this.

Good ol Howie says it's ok to use cannabis for the side effects of diseases.

So, my new cancer regimen:
Smoke a J. Get munchies. Eat lots of Twizzlers. We'll be fine I'm kinda sure.
Who's me?
Yes! Dorothy Boyd, you & the fish are coming with me.

 

[Arctic Bowl]

Howieman, quick question for you sir, are you a member of the AMA? Just curious is all.

 

[Dave Groomer]

Damnit Howie. Your so correct about this all. Well, I for one am changing my entire treatment now.
Hope about strawberry Twizzlers? You with me?

Strawberry Twizzlers, as of today, cures excessive diarrhea in cattle so it must cure cancer too.

Hurry to get your Twizzlers. They'll be gone when the Canadians learn of this.

Good ol Howie says it's ok to use cannabis for the side effects of diseases.

So, my new cancer regimen:
Smoke a J. Get munchies. Eat lots of Twizzlers. We'll be fine I'm kinda sure.
Who's me?
Yes! Dorothy Boyd, you & the fish are coming with me.

I hate Twizzlers!!! I will stick with Gummy Bears (or will that now work as well for my MS . )

 

[Randoobula]

ASCO is as reputable a medical organization as there is. Its not an industry trade group. It is where the leading oncologists, scientists, and research bodies meet to discuss the progress of clinical trials in all stages, and new academic and commercial research activities. Its the largest gathering on oncology in the world. Every significant current and future clinical trial is reviewed there.

Real discovery is now occurring at breakthrough rates. Hpwever, The ONLY usage for marijuana in all forms is palliative. There is not a single clinical trial investigating cannibas for anything other than that. No responsible researcher or regulatory body would permit a dual arm trial of cannanis vs chemo/rad/hormone/checkpoint/surgery.

There is no doubt it has palliative value. But claims of curative effects are scoentifically unsubstantiated at best. My fear is that someone who is desperate who doesnot have access to good oncological care would get derailed and try one of these concoctions instead of the traditional route. Sometimes a delay of weeks in getting care can make all of the difference. And some of the threads in this topic endorse cannabis as curative. IT IS NOT CURATIVE.

I have zero financial stake in this, I am a donor and caregiver- thats all. It would be pretty ridiculous and ineffective to use a 420 growing site as some industry rube. I just don't want to see people die prematurely or maybe now unnecessarily.

Cannabis has demonstrated efficacy in motor diseases such as epilepsy, and Parkinson's. It appears to help with wasting, and of course the old standby glaucoma. It may privide pain relief similar to nsaids. Its good. But a cure for cancer, NO.

We ALL should be careful about using the word "Cure", no matter the treatment. While I believe that cannabis can and has actually cured cancer, that can only be known with time... like the end of the patients time.

Which brings me to another point...

No matter if one treats with cannabis oil or chemo, if the conditions in which the disease developed are not changed, the likelihood of it returning are great.

I have a great deal more respect for those active in promoting cannabis oil and providing care and assistance than I do most physicians and oncologists. Those I've dealt with acknowledge that chemo decimates the immune system, yet their treatment protocols are void of any focus upon diet and nutrition. I was actually told by one that there isn't anything they can do about the immune system... it will come back on its own eventually. She didn't even seem to care about sugar... cancers favorite food. "Anything in moderation", she said. That's insane!

We encourage dietary and lifestyle changes along with a continued lifetime maintenance dose of cannabis oil to keep the disease in remission. But we laymen just don't understand, right?

My last point before putting this to bed is that just because science hasn't yet proven every aspect of the effects of the various cannabinoids for the myriad of different conditions, doesn't mean it doesn't work. This is what you seem to imply.

Your argument is a prime example of how the ego works to support defend and protect that which ones identity is wrapped around. We build our belief systems and the ego fights to defend them as if we are our beliefs. That's inherent in the human condition. And for some reason it's getting worse over time to the point where even in our institutions of higher learning, seeking truth has taken a back seat to political correctness and blindly defending the particular narrative ones been bamboozled into adopting. It's sad.

Open your mind. Seek truth. Use your scientific bent to actually research more than just what supports your pre-conceived ideas. You might be surprised by what you'll learn.

Its apparent that you either haven't paid any attention to the ever expanding body of anecdotal evidence that exists, or you dismiss it off hand. I'll tell you what, watching a bedridden elderly man get up and walk two days after starting cannabis oil, after being sent home to die by the doctors, is all the evidence I need. After one week on the oil he drove himself to the grocery store. This, after being told to put his affairs in order.

Then there's the man who dealt with a diabetic sore on his leg for over five years. His doctors tried everything under the sun with no effect. After we had treated it with cannabis oil infused coconut oil for three weeks it went from golf ball sized to the size of a nickel. After another month... completely scabbed over.

And then there's the man with Parkinson's so bad he looked like a break dancer. He's spent a decade like this and had to lock his head between his arms with elbows on the table to have a discussion. He'd stopped taking the prescribed meds because no matter what they gave him it didn't help and gave him even more adverse symptoms than the disease itself. We didn't see him for about a month after he began treatment and when he pulled up, walked up the driveway, and stood before us, all we could do is thank the good Lord for this precious gift called cannabis.

Skin cancer? A walk in the park for cannabis oil. Two people close to me both sent their skin cancer packing with the oil. One made the recommended dietary changes, used the oil both topically and internally, and continued with a maintenance dose. His skin cancer has not returned in three years. This, after a decade in and out of the surgeons revolving door. The other was afraid to take it internally, and slacked off on dietary changes, and the cancer returned. She treated it again and again put it in remission. Time will tell if she keeps with the protocol.

I've heard the stories over and over again of people who have gone the chemo and radiation route and if their cancer was put in remission, it returned. And it's appears common that the second or third time it kills them. Sometimes the treatment itself kills them. And in most cases they suffer worse from the devastating effects of the toxic chemicals than from the disease itself.

These are real people not just numbers. Don't think for a second that we take lightly our recommendations. It would seem to me we take it more serious than the "professionals".

And BTW, cannabis oil does not provide pain relief similar to nsaids. There's no comparison. I used to live on them and they barely touched my back pain. Cannabis oil kicks pains ass! Ask the Alaska Spine Institute... they haven't seen me nor written me an opioids prescription in close to five years. I'm no longer helping the chiropractor pay for his Hummer either!

 

[Randoobula]

Howieman: "I just don't want to see people die prematurely or maybe now unnecessarily".

DITTO!!!!!

 

[CajunCelt]

I hate Twizzlers!!! I will stick with Gummy Bears (or will that now work as well for my MS . )

Oh no. You're in trouble my friend. The witch docs in Borneo only eat Twizzlers for cancer.
Gummy Bears are to fight cavities, but they have to come from the heart of the Zulbangdow volcano to work.

 

[Dave Groomer]

If you look at the title, it is a base TREATMENT for cancer not a base Cure. Cajun never talks about curing, as a matter of fact, if you search there are many posts from him reprimanding people for calling it a cure. He will tell you. It is a constant battle that if you let your guard down, can sneak right back up on you.

That being said, I have an 86 year old woman I help. House bound by back pain. Not able to even cook for her husband. On opioids for 3 years. Started with a cannabis infused cream. She now is walking around the house, leaving the house and making lunch and dinner for her husband.

Another person with MS and Glaucoma. Went from hardly able to walk and getting shots in her eyes once per month to Walking, playing the organ in church and no shots since she started on infused oil.

Plenty more stories, not enough time to type.