A Base Treatment Regimen For Cancer

[SweetSue]

We all have stories of successfully finding relief, which is the ultimate goal of our regimens. My 35-yr old daughter, having lived a life mired in a sea of anxiety that had her locked into her home in fear now spends her time learning the social skills needed to interact with society. She now understands this "normal" everyone always told her about. I watched 33 years of that mantle of anxiety fall away like an old coat with her third vape inhallation. It was a shock to see how easy it was to bring relief into her life, and it angered me beyond belief that prohibitionist regulations and mindsets had blocked my vision and hidden this relief from sight.

Talk all you want about the lack of trials. This band of intrepid lab rats won't be waiting for the government to leave their self-serving dangerous laws behind and offer us the freedom to heal ourselves and our loved ones with a simple herbal medication without the fear of prosecution. You watch enough people get almost instant relief from proper dosing and you start to become a little fearless.

 

[I M Spatial]

Hey gang! You don't know me, but you soon will. This board saved my life.

Howie - Your writing sounds EXACTLY the same as Randoobula. I thought I was reading his writing! The same snarky kind of trying to get a rise out of folks. And, did you know that people, even when altering personalities, tend to write in the same manner? That is unless that author is conscious enough to know that people like me can tell the difference? Then they purposely are intentional and adapt it to a different projection. You can just go post to post and see the difference in EVERY author. It's obvious. Except you and Randoobula.

Brother - free speech! I think what I want and I don't get held down by the man. Yeah. FYI - anyone who has to defend himself by saying that doesn't sound very firm in their values to begin with. Personally, I assume everybody already knows there's free speech. So, therefore, I don't have to use that as a crutch to try and make myself seem like I am being victimized or a martyr. I do know how you are so for the people, brother...I don't get it.

In addition, I find it very odd because I have been following these people for over a year, and I have yet to see one asshole… But then they get two back to back? Like within a day? Weird. I would personally ignore you. I definitely plan on it if the occasion calls for it. That will be every occasion that you address me... my time is valuable. No need to feed the animals...waste.of.energy.

Anyway.. hi again gang! I will tell you my story when I get some time. But yeah... you guys... you saved my life. Thank you all. Talk soon!

 

[Howieman]

Hey gang! You don't know me, but you soon will. This board saved my life.

Howie - Your writing sounds EXACTLY the same as Randoobula. I thought I was reading his writing! The same snarky kind of trying to get a rise out of folks. And, did you know that people, even when altering personalities, tend to write in the same manner? That is unless that author is conscious enough to know that people like me can tell the difference? Then they purposely are intentional and adapt it to a different projection. You can just go post to post and see the difference in EVERY author. It's obvious. Except you and Randoobula.

Brother - free speech! I think what I want and I don't get held down by the man. Yeah. FYI - anyone who has to defend himself by saying that doesn't sound very firm in their values to begin with. Personally, I assume everybody already knows there's free speech. So, therefore, I don't have to use that as a crutch to try and make myself seem like I am being victimized or a martyr. I do know how you are so for the people, brother...I don't get it.

In addition, I find it very odd because I have been following these people for over a year, and I have yet to see one asshole... But then they get two back to back? Like within a day? Weird. I would personally ignore you. I definitely plan on it if the occasion calls for it. That will be every occasion that you address me... my time is valuable. No need to feed the animals...waste.of.energy.

Anyway.. hi again gang! I will tell you my story when I get some time. But yeah... you guys... you saved my life. Thank you all. Talk soon!

Ok- I'll deal w this once. I am not anyone who has been on this board before. The positions I wrote represent current state of diagnosis and treatment in "western" medicine treatment of cancers. Western referring to N America, S America, EU, Japan, China...

Before we get into your story, please provide what type of cancer you claim to have/had. Please include the last PET staging, and the biopsy results. That is the definitive information modern cancer diagnosis and treatments are based upon. You can then provide your timeline and story which makes you believe cannabis directly treated your cancer.

My purpose of posting was just to make sure "innocents" make sensible medical decisions with something as agressive as most cancers are. I saw 200 some odd pages with crazy and ineffective "cooks" that will have only a limited palliative effect.

I am a home grower and donate my weed to people who want it for any responsible use. i have ZERO commercial interests in pot or cancer treatments. So either provide information and I will go thru it w you. Otherwise there is bo other way to discuss it. But I am 100% sure that cannabis is NOT being scientifically evaluated as a first line treatment anywhere in modern medicine. All of these individuals w MD and PhD's have consensus on that.

 

[CajunCelt]

I am 100% sure that cannabis is NOT being scientifically evaluated as a first line treatment anywhere in modern medicine. All of these individuals w MD and PhD's have consensus on that.

And Spain & Israel?
Any testing going on there Howie? What do the western oncologists believe in those 2 countries?

And, the barrage of tests/conclusions that just came out last week from JPS & M.D. Anderson Hospitals here in the U.S.?
All the same conclusions as your's?

You do know that if the Twizzlers untwist, they are no longer effective right? You'll need Sprite Zero with weed/sage burned over it to get anything from them if they untwist.

You're so confident in your complete ignorance. It's almost inspiring.
So, in all seriousness, there's LOTS of testing going on though it's a Class 1 evil tool uh duh debil. Even Cooks Children's Hospital is testing cannabis.

 

[Radogast]

I might be crossing a 420 line here, but I am curious...Why are you fine folks feeding this troll?

I detect no honesty and integrity in the posts.

 

[Howieman]

And Spain & Israel?
Any testing going on there Howie? What do the western oncologists believe in those 2 countries?

And, the barrage of tests/conclusions that just came out last week from JPS & M.D. Anderson Hospitals here in the U.S.?
All the same conclusions as your's?

You do know that if the Twizzlers untwist, they are no longer effective right? You'll need Sprite Zero with weed/sage burned over it to get anything from them if they untwist.

You're so confident in your complete ignorance. It's almost inspiring.
So, in all seriousness, there's LOTS of testing going on though it's a Class 1 evil tool uh duh debil. Even Cooks Children's Hospital is testing cannabis.

Show me the clinical trial as a treatment arm.

 

[Howieman]

Show me the clinical trial as a treatment arm.

Or a single well documented case trial where cannabis was used as a first line treatment.

Show the data or otherwise be, you know the term, a snake oil salesman.

 

[SweetSue]

Or a single well documented case trial where cannabis was used as a first line treatment.

Show the data or otherwise be, you know the term, a snake oil salesman.

I hear ya Rad, but he forced us to look at this from a new perspective.

Oh Howie. There ya go again. A while back, at the start of this "discussion" you insisted this had nothing to do with political maneuvering, and here you are insisting on the trials our governments won't allow. I assure you, there are trials being done, and you have only to open your eyes to the possibilities and go looking. It'd be nice if you personally could accept the fact that the hoops the government puts in place to prevent the study of cannabis are the reason the data is not forthcoming in the most timely manner. Until the plant comes off schedule anything we'll be up against this impossible dance.

I find myself confused as to what you think we're proposing here. We all have cancer cells. We all come with endocannabinoid systems, which have evolved to control the spread of cancer in the system at large. Our understanding of this dynamic system and the fact that phytocannabinoids mirror the function of our endocannabinoids is the basis of our treatment approach. To us this is basic biology.

I'm wondering about your own understanding of the healing force within you? You speak dismissively of the effects of cannabis as a healing modality, and your comments suggest a total disconnect to the real stories of successful treatments with cannabis. I sense a strong bias against looking at cannabis as anything more than symptom control. We're talking about more than symptom control in this room.

One of your previous comments was that you were concerned that someone without good oncological treatment might be tempted to try cannabis instead. See, this confused me. You suggest what? That they simply die without any hope? Sorry, we can't stand by for that when we have members who have successfully used this particular regimen to actually do what it proposes, and are now walking around with clear labs. You know, instead of being dead.

Read the first post again. No one calls this a magic bullet. We call it a good chance, a chance we've witnessed resulting in successfully destroying cancer, and a chance that we're willing to help you understand so you don't have to enter this intimidating arena alone.

We're open about the fact that what we propose is experimental. But biology is still biology Howie. Name calling is not productive to any conversation, and I think you knew that when you threw it out there.

 

[Howieman]

I hear ya Rad, but he forced us to look at this from a new perspective.

Oh Howie. There ya go again. A while back, at the start of this "discussion" you insisted this had nothing to do with political maneuvering, and here you are insisting on the trials our governments won't allow. I assure you, there are trials being done, and you have only to open your eyes to the possibilities and go looking. It'd be nice if you personally could accept the fact that the hoops the government puts in place to prevent the study of cannabis are the reason the data is not forthcoming in the most timely manner. Until the plant comes off schedule anything we'll be up against this impossible dance.

I find myself confused as to what you think we're proposing here. We all have cancer cells. We all come with endocannabinoid systems, which have evolved to control the spread of cancer in the system at large. Our understanding of this dynamic system and the fact that phytocannabinoids mirror the function of our endocannabinoids is the basis of our treatment approach. To us this is basic biology.

I'm wondering about your own understanding of the healing force within you? You speak dismissively of the effects of cannabis as a healing modality, and your comments suggest a total disconnect to the real stories of successful treatments with cannabis. I sense a strong bias against looking at cannabis as anything more than symptom control. We're talking about more than symptom control in this room.

One of your previous comments was that you were concerned that someone without good oncological treatment might be tempted to try cannabis instead. See, this confused me. You suggest what? That they simply die without any hope? Sorry, we can't stand by for that when we have members who have successfully used this particular regimen to actually do what it proposes, and are now walking around with clear labs. You know, instead of being dead.

Read the first post again. No one calls this a magic bullet. We call it a good chance, a chance we've witnessed resulting in successfully destroying cancer, and a chance that we're willing to help you understand so you don't have to enter this intimidating arena alone.

We're open about the fact that what we propose is experimental. But biology is still biology Howie. Name calling is not productive to any conversation, and I think you knew that when you threw it out there.

Clinical trials are accepted as the only process to evaluate treatment efficacy. In the real cancer world. That is used to treat actual patients who are desperate to live. You may think its a club or a "fix". Its not. Tens of millions of lives prolonged, early stages cured. In all honesty, as a primary treatment, cannabis has none. Experiments are not performed on humans outside of this process. Let's be clear and honest, you are NOT performing any experiments.

So please reference the treatment trials or peer reviewed case presentation at a reputable scientific conference. Otherwise there is no proof of any "curative" properties.

As a palliative measure I am sure its fine. I agreed with you before. I did not want to give it the palliative label because people confer hospice. You know the term is broader than that.

I am done responding until you or anyone can present scientific evidence of such. Real scientific evidence.

 

[Howieman]

Clinical trials are accepted as the only process to evaluate treatment efficacy. In the real cancer world. That is used to treat actual patients who are desperate to live. You may think its a club or a "fix". Its not. Tens of millions of lives prolonged, early stages cured. In all honesty, as a primary treatment, cannabis has none. Experiments are not performed on humans outside of this process. Let's be clear and honest, you are NOT performing any experiments.

So please reference the treatment trials or peer reviewed case presentation at a reputable scientific conference. Otherwise there is no proof of any "curative" properties.

As a palliative measure I am sure its fine. I agreed with you before. I did not want to give it the palliative label because people confer hospice. You know the term is broader than that.

I am done responding until you or anyone can present scientific evidence of such. Real scientific evidence.

 

[Howieman]

I hear ya Rad, but he forced us to look at this from a new perspective.

Oh Howie. There ya go again. A while back, at the start of this "discussion" you insisted this had nothing to do with political maneuvering, and here you are insisting on the trials our governments won't allow. I assure you, there are trials being done, and you have only to open your eyes to the possibilities and go looking. It'd be nice if you personally could accept the fact that the hoops the government puts in place to prevent the study of cannabis are the reason the data is not forthcoming in the most timely manner. Until the plant comes off schedule anything we'll be up against this impossible dance.

I find myself confused as to what you think we're proposing here. We all have cancer cells. We all come with endocannabinoid systems, which have evolved to control the spread of cancer in the system at large. Our understanding of this dynamic system and the fact that phytocannabinoids mirror the function of our endocannabinoids is the basis of our treatment approach. To us this is basic biology.

I'm wondering about your own understanding of the healing force within you? You speak dismissively of the effects of cannabis as a healing modality, and your comments suggest a total disconnect to the real stories of successful treatments with cannabis. I sense a strong bias against looking at cannabis as anything more than symptom control. We're talking about more than symptom control in this room.

One of your previous comments was that you were concerned that someone without good oncological treatment might be tempted to try cannabis instead. See, this confused me. You suggest what? That they simply die without any hope? Sorry, we can't stand by for that when we have members who have successfully used this particular regimen to actually do what it proposes, and are now walking around with clear labs. You know, instead of being dead.

Read the first post again. No one calls this a magic bullet. We call it a good chance, a chance we've witnessed resulting in successfully destroying cancer, and a chance that we're willing to help you understand so you don't have to enter this intimidating arena alone.

We're open about the fact that what we propose is experimental. But biology is still biology Howie. Name calling is not productive to any conversation, and I think you knew that when you threw it out there.

Clinical trials are accepted as the only process to evaluate treatment efficacy. In the real cancer world. That is used to treat actual patients who are desperate to live. You may think its a club or a "fix". Its not. Tens of millions of lives prolonged, early stages cured. In all honesty, as a primary treatment, cannabis has none. Experiments are not performed on humans outside of this process. Let's be clear and honest, you are NOT performing any experiments.

So please reference the treatment trials or peer reviewed case presentation at a reputable scientific conference. Otherwise there is no proof of any "curative" properties.

As a palliative measure I am sure its fine. I agreed with you before. I did not want to give it the palliative label because people confer hospice. You know the term is broader than that.

I am done responding until you or anyone can present scientific evidence of such. Real scientific evidence.

 

[SweetSue]

Clinical trials are accepted as the only process to evaluate treatment efficacy. In the real cancer world. That is used to treat actual patients who are desperate to live. You may think its a club or a "fix". Its not. Tens of millions of lives prolonged, early stages cured. In all honesty, as a primary treatment, cannabis has none. Experiments are not performed on humans outside of this process. Let's be clear and honest, you are NOT performing any experiments.

So please reference the treatment trials or peer reviewed case presentation at a reputable scientific conference. Otherwise there is no proof of any "curative" properties.

As a palliative measure I am sure its fine. I agreed with you before. I did not want to give it the palliative label because people confer hospice. You know the term is broader than that.

I am done responding until you or anyone can present scientific evidence of such. Real scientific evidence.

"Experimental" isn't my best word choice there Howie. This arena lacks the standard controls conventional medicine demands, but we're working on that.

Then the "real cancer world" needs to find a way to join forces and make these trials happen to satisfy their need for the data. To ignore the damage done to the immune system with current chemotherapy is dangerous to the patients, IMO. The ECS exists fundamentally to balance the immune system with the nervous system. If your method of treatment destroys one of these foundation partners you jepordize the ability of the ECS to effectively do its job. Your insistence that this be the only acceptable method is a bit disturbing.

You act as though chemotherapy is some godsend, when the experience of my family members and many others I've watched suffer through multiple treatments only to have the cancer come roaring back pissed as hell suggests otherwise. Many of those who pass through here have already gone through that suffering and are seeking an alternative. Because for all that pain and suffering they still have cancer running amok.

To include cannabis in the treatment means at the very least a reduction in the grotesque side effects of chemotherapeutic drugs. All across America there are patients doing just this thing, and weathering the treatments much better. Those "palliative effects" you keep mentioning.

We have this crazy idea that the body was meant to heal spontaneously and that cannabis holds the key to jumpstarting a damaged ECS and promoting natural healing, because of its molecular makeup and the way those molecules communicate with your cells.

Let's be honest here. Chemo isn't the only effective treatment for cancer, and in fact, many of us believe chemo strengthens cancer. Do a drastic reworking of your diet and you can heal your body of cancer. Up your faith levels and stay blissfully joyful in the face of all the bad news and you can cure yourself of cancer. Extreme cases, yes, but definately possible, given enough thoughtfulness and effort. The ECS is a dynamic force. I'll put my faith there.

 

[Dave Groomer]

Here is an interesting article I came across. Can cannabis cure cancer?

 

[Howieman]

"Experimental" isn't my best word choice there Howie. This arena lacks the standard controls conventional medicine demands, but we're working on that.

Then the "real cancer world" needs to find a way to join forces and make these trials happen to satisfy their need for the data. To ignore the damage done to the immune system with current chemotherapy is dangerous to the patients, IMO. The ECS exists fundamentally to balance the immune system with the nervous system. If your method of treatment destroys one of these foundation partners you jepordize the ability of the ECS to effectively do its job. Your insistence that this be the only acceptable method is a bit disturbing.

You act as though chemotherapy is some godsend, when the experience of my family members and many others I've watched suffer through multiple treatments only to have the cancer come roaring back pissed as hell suggests otherwise. Many of those who pass through here have already gone through that suffering and are seeking an alternative. Because for all that pain and suffering they still have cancer running amok.

To include cannabis in the treatment means at the very least a reduction in the grotesque side effects of chemotherapeutic drugs. All across America there are patients doing just this thing, and weathering the treatments much better. Those "palliative effects" you keep mentioning.

We have this crazy idea that the body was meant to heal spontaneously and that cannabis holds the key to jumpstarting a damaged ECS and promoting natural healing, because of its molecular makeup and the way those molecules communicate with your cells.

Let's be honest here. Chemo isn't the only effective treatment for cancer, and in fact, many of us believe chemo strengthens cancer. Do a drastic reworking of your diet and you can heal your body of cancer. Up your faith levels and stay blissfully joyful in the face of all the bad news and you can cure yourself of cancer. Extreme cases, yes, but definately possible, given enough thoughtfulness and effort. The ECS is a dynamic force. I'll put my faith there.

There are other first line treatments for cancer other than chemo. Do some research. Most prostate cancer trated w anti-hormone agents. No chemo, even in stage 4. Men get 10 - 25 years, long good years from treatment. Lupron. Women w metastatic hormone cancers now treated w anti hormonal agents. No chemo first line. Megace, tamoxifen....

Solid mass tumors now treated w immunotherapies. Melanoma was once a death sentence. Now, getting CR, PR, and SD responses w Keytruda.

Its science and unfortunately, faith has nothing to do with it. Serious question, are you selling your brews? I'm not the DEA. Any viable scientific evidence irrespective of the source, marijuana or dog shit, that provides some scientific evidence of efficacy gets looked at. A well worn path from concept to cure. And I will tell you one thing with 100% certainty, its not any the concoctions described in this thread.

 

[SweetSue]

There are other first line treatments for cancer other than chemo. Do some research. Most prostate cancer trated w anti-hormone agents. No chemo, even in stage 4. Men get 10 - 25 years, long good years from treatment. Lupron. Women w metastatic hormone cancers now treated w anti hormonal agents. No chemo first line. Megace, tamoxifen....

Solid mass tumors now treated w immunotherapies. Melanoma was once a death sentence. Now, getting CR, PR, and SD responses w Keytruda.

Its science and unfortunately, faith has nothing to do with it. Serious question, are you selling your brews? I'm not the DEA. Any viable scientific evidence irrespective of the source, marijuana or dog shit, that provides some scientific evidence of efficacy gets looked at. A well worn path from concept to cure. And I will tell you one thing with 100% certainty, its not any the concoctions described in this thread.

No Howie, no sales in my future or my past. Many of us sacrifice much to do this work. You're entitled to your own opinions, but we've seen the potential of cannabis to effectively treat cancer, and no amount of your insistence on ignoring that evidence will change our views. The pathways of molecular change are science, not pipe dreams.

May I ask again, what is your understanding of the function of the ECS?

 

[Dave Groomer]

Just in case you are not familiar with the ECS, Here is Dr. Mechoulam discussing it.

Dr. Raphael Mechoulam on the endocannabinoid system - YouTube

 

[walleye]

The weatherman has ruined more days than the rains and thunder. Could faith in a placebo heal likewise? Some one could write a book about that idea!! Perhaps if god existed he would be a form of consciousness and science could use his thought in their formulas, in other words put god back into the equations of science. No, totally unacceptable and too politically incorrect for most science. I have a will to make cannabis a great healer and I know if I have the truth backing me, It will be so, and I will it. so there! Sweet Sue, you never give up on a lost soul and there are so many. Keep the faith. Souls lost in the dark can be found, the light shines on their closed eyes and shadows their perceptions, less they see and be healed. Every one including Howie deserves to know Truth but you won't find it in science at this time. Can't prove faith...or can we?!! John Lennon " your not to blame, you're only human, a victim of the insane" The reefer madness precept goes back further than religion and man has had his eyes closed for long enough. Time truth had a part in all this but truth won't be found in science or religion unless you know how to put the thought back into it. Happy July 4th, freedom to rant in darkness or Light!

 

[SweetSue]

Just in case you are not familiar with the ECS, Here is Dr. Mechoulam discussing it.

Dr. Raphael Mechoulam on the endocannabinoid system - YouTube

Why thank you Dave. Why don't I add a good explaination of how cannabinoids kill cancer cells from a known cancer researcher who cured himself of prostate cancer using only cannabis.

Cannabinoids and Cancer

 

[Howieman]

Why thank you Dave. Why don't I add a good explaination of how cannabinoids kill cancer cells from a known cancer researcher who cured himself of prostate cancer using only cannabis.

Cannabinoids and Cancer[/

Many claim it has cured them, but no studies or industry funding. Personally, no belief in a cure there. Ask him for his scans and Recist 1.x tumor measurements? He never provided them.

Most men who are over 70 who die for all reasons, on autopsy, show some amounts of prostate cancer. I likely have it. Its slow growing, and if you don't surgically touch it, you will die before it gets you. Its an overly agressively treated form of the disease. The problem is that if you don't biopsy it, you can't be sure what type it is. So the biopsy introduces metastatic risk which then requires treatment. Personally, I would not medically react to a high psa score. I would take my chances. Cannabis, or any of its forms, will not have a tragectory change.

Good you are not selling cures for cancer. I accept your sincerity, but a cure is not there. Best to get oncologicsl care, do research, and make your own decisions. What is done on this board is not research.

 

[SweetSue]

Why thank you Dave. Why don't I add a good explaination of how cannabinoids kill cancer cells from a known cancer researcher who cured himself of prostate cancer using only cannabis.

Cannabinoids and Cancer[/

Many claim it has cured them, but no studies or industry funding. Personally, no belief in a cure there. Ask him for his scans and Recist 1.x tumor measurements? He never provided them.

Most men who are over 70 who die for all reasons, on autopsy, show some amounts of prostate cancer. I likely have it. Its slow growing, and if you don't surgically touch it, you will die before it gets you. Its an overly agressively treated form of the disease. The problem is that if you don't biopsy it, you can't be sure what type it is. So the biopsy introduces metastatic risk which then requires treatment. Personally, I would not medically react to a high psa score. I would take my chances. Cannabis, or any of its forms, will not have a tragectory change.

Good you are not selling cures for cancer. I accept your sincerity, but a cure is not there. Best to get oncologicsl care, do research, and make your own decisions. What is done on this board is not research.

You're so right Howie. What's done on this board is survival and relief.