A Base Treatment Regimen For Cancer

[CajunCelt]

Like I said, this is uncharted territory. There's research on apegenin and other potential cancer fighting supplements but I'm not aware of any that ties it all together into a maintenance regimen. This is something I'm going to keep looking into, but you and your sister are going to need to do your own research on this to make it work.

Mmmm, not true. The combination of the supplements I've suggested wasn't originated from online threads.
These combinations have been studied & tested for quite awhile now.
Be cautious of giving a serious disease treatment as though you do it professionally/daily/for a living.
I've stated before, just because YOU aren't familiar, doesn't mean the data, info & facts haven't been around & being used by licensed pro's.
New members don't know if we're shade tree clinicians or not. If you say key words like "research" & unchartered territory, you might want to back it up with an explanation that this is new to you, or a hobby, etc.
Point being, new members are going to listen to especially YOU my friend. You are definitely one of the most knowledgeable, but that's also lil ponds with big fish in them for the most part.
No one let the obvious respect go to your head as though dozens of patients are all depending you. Truth be told, there's not even a handful that do this professionally. The stakes are WAY higher.
Sorry, don't mean to be a downer. I am very cautious of replies that imply.

 

[SweetSue]

It's a fine line we walk Cajun. We do our best to keep everyone aware of our non-professional status. I appreciate the occasional alert. It's easy to get ahead of ourselves.

It'd be nice if the medical community could catch up a little faster.

 

[CajunCelt]

On that note...
I am advising everyone to cease the consumption of coconut oil & replace it with another such as grape seed or extra virgin olive oil.
Patients using coconut oil/butter are starting to show very negative symptoms due to the saturated fat.
This has been acknowledged by several doctors & other pro's I respect.
Your call.

 

[CajunCelt]

It's a fine line we walk Cajun. We do our best to keep everyone aware of our non-professional status. I appreciate the occasional alert. It's easy to get ahead of ourselves.

It'd be nice if the medical community could catch up a little faster.

As it's us catching up with med pro's research, testing & treatment...
I'd say it's US that need to catch up. Doc's outside legal started don't matter. I could fill a room with all my forum buddies, but the med pro's I work with would still be there majority.
Yeah, WE need to catch up with them

 

[SweetSue]

Agreed. Doing our best under the circumstances, but my reference was the medical community at large, particularly in the US. The nurses are catching on faster than the doctors they work with.

 

[SweetSue]

On that note...
I am advising everyone to cease the consumption of coconut oil & replace it with another such as grape seed or extra virgin olive oil.
Patients using coconut oil/butter are starting to show very negative symptoms due to the saturated fat.
This has been acknowledged by several doctors & other pro's I respect.
Your call.

Would this apply for liver disease as well, and if so what carrier oil would you consider a good substitute?

 

[Dave Groomer]

On that note...
I am advising everyone to cease the consumption of coconut oil & replace it with another such as grape seed or extra virgin olive oil.
Patients using coconut oil/butter are starting to show very negative symptoms due to the saturated fat.
This has been acknowledged by several doctors & other pro's I respect.
Your call.

Thanks for the update. My brownies won't be happy with the change. I use grape seed in my creams. What is your preference, GS or EVOO?

 

[SweetSue]

Thanks for the update. My brownies won't be happy with the change. I use grape seed in my creams. What is your preference, GS or EVOO?

I've made brownies with EVOO. They're an acquired taste, but one you can learn to love Dave.

 

[Randoobula]

that is a very difficult decision if I should tell the oncologist. lets say I tell him so what could he do? he cant give reduced chemo as they added even avastin and btw avastin has terrible side effects

.You might consider simply looking for the right opportunity to say, "I've been meaning to ask you what you think about the endocannabinoid system?".
Don't elaborate. Just ask the question and then listen.

I've done this and it's a real eye opener.

Here's a response I got. She smiled and said...

"Oh, I support smoking pot to help with some of the side effects of the chemo".

That's it. Then she changed the subject. I dont necessarily recommend doing this, but I couldn't let it go so asked her...

"Is it not true that we all have cancer cells in our bodies and the difference between one who gets cancer and one who doesn't, is the condition of their immune systems?"

She responded:

"Yes, but we can't do anything about the immune system. The chemo will inhibit the immune system but it will come back on its own eventually"

I laughed. I couldn't help it. Im so far from being an "in yo face" kinda guy, but I was so shocked by what I was hearing. I then said:

"So in other words you don't treat the whole body and you don't address the cause of the cancer... just its manifestations?

Looking both very uncomfortable and quite annoyed, she said this:

"We treat the cancer. The cancer is the problem."

I said:

"What about diet? Do you recommend any additions or restrictions to it?"

She said:

"Anything in moderation" and smiled while saying it.

That just pissed me off! I said:

"Are you serious?!? Do cancer cells not thrive on sugar? Is the immune system not regulated by nutrition? Do we not need nutritional balance for our body's systems to regulate and function properly? So isn't addressing nutrition the key to building a healthy immune system to fight and keep cancer at bay? What ARE the reoccurrence rates of Hodgkin's after remission with chemo?"

She snapped back with...

"I can recommend a naturopath if you'd like"

I responded:

"That's ok. We already have an appointment scheduled with one! What about reoccurrence rates?"

"I don't have that information at hand but I can get it for you".


The ego, which controls all of us from one degree or another, makes it very difficult for many to deal with being challenged and having their inadequacies brought into the light of day. She knew she wasn't talking to someone who takes what doctors say as the gospel. She obviously was not accustomed to being questioned on her knowledge and practices. I work very hard at not giving into the demands of my own ego, because when one ego recognizes another, it goes from a convo to an egoic battle that no one wins. Because it was my 28 year old stepsons life we were talking about, I just didn't care.

After that encounter, she went from being upbeat and personable, to being very short and distant. In fact, most of the subsequent appointments were handled by lower level staff. There shouldn't have been any but it wasn't my decision to make.

My advice is to ask the question and leave it hang out there.

If they are open-minded enough to have become informed, you'll likely see it within the first few seconds of their response.

If they have no knowledge of it, yet possess the humility to admit it, you may be able to work with them. Simply tell them you've done some research on it and between the science and anecdotal evidence it shows a great deal of promise. Then ask if they have time to look into it, you'd really appreciate their expert advice whether you should seriously consider it as an added treatment option. Then offer to email some links to them on the info that sparked your interest.

If they have a dismissive attitude or there's an outright negative response, chances are they won't change their opinion on it. After all, their ego is wrapped around the science/belief system they immersed themselves in to get their degree. They have pride in the institution and the profession. To open themselves to the fact that they have been under or misinformed, is for them to acknowledge inadequacy. Their ego won't stand for that.

In our approach to doctors, our mission should be to determine if they can truly help us or not. We need doctors with the capacity to do more than peddle chemicals. We can effect positive change but only by using tact and their own ego to motivate them. Once put on the defensive the battle is lost.

This particular oncologists attitude and beliefs are akin to me feeding my plants nothing but plain water and when I see them dying, put them on a regular schedule of Roundup and hope for the best.

Pathetic!

There are good doctors and bad doctors. The vast majority are simply ignorant of the truth regarding this amazing plant.

This is just one mans opinion... take what you can use and leave the rest!

 

[CajunCelt]

Agreed. Doing our best under the circumstances, but my reference was the medical community at large, particularly in the US. The nurses are catching on faster than the doctors they work with.

I agree, but for an extra 30 sem. hours plus all the continuing education (whew) as well as the special licensing the med docs need....what's their incentives? Not much at all as well as constant badgering from the powers-that-be.

Would this apply for liver disease as well, and if so what carrier oil would you consider a good substitute?

I've mentioned different carriers I recommend many times around here somewhere.
My personal choice would be olive oil.

 

[SweetSue]

Are they trying to kill us off with regulations? Sure feels that way sometimes. Some days even the rosey-colored glasses don't help.

 

[CajunCelt]

Are they trying to kill us off with regulations? Sure feels that way sometimes. Some days even the rosey-colored glasses don't help.

Lol. Right? I feel part of a population control program sometimes...and fighting it.

Hey, what is this fresh harvest oil several have mentioned? I probably know it by a different name. Hope it's not cannabis rosin.

 

[SweetSue]

To open themselves to the fact that they have been under or misinformed, is for them to acknowledge inadequacy. Their ego won't stand for that.

It's a hard pill to swallow that we were all duped for decades. That no listened for so long.

Thank you for that eloquent post.

My dentist sees cannabis as a gateway drug to addiction. His pro bono work with addicts convinces him of this. It feels all uphill some days. He's a good man who probably has no idea he has an ECS.

 

[stayalive]

.You might consider simply looking for the right opportunity to say, "I've been meaning to ask you what you think about the endocannabinoid system?".
Don't elaborate. Just ask the question and then listen.

I've done this and it's a real eye opener.

Here's a response I got. She smiled and said...

"Oh, I support smoking pot to help with some of the side effects of the chemo".

That's it. Then she changed the subject. I dont necessarily recommend doing this, but I couldn't let it go so asked her...

"Is it not true that we all have cancer cells in our bodies and the difference between one who gets cancer and one who doesn't, is the condition of their immune systems?"

She responded:

"Yes, but we can't do anything about the immune system. The chemo will inhibit the immune system but it will come back on its own eventually"

I laughed. I couldn't help it. Im so far from being an "in yo face" kinda guy, but I was so shocked by what I was hearing. I then said:

"So in other words you don't treat the whole body and you don't address the cause of the cancer... just its manifestations?

Looking both very uncomfortable and quite annoyed, she said this:

"We treat the cancer. The cancer is the problem."

I said:

"What about diet? Do you recommend any additions or restrictions to it?"

She said:

"Anything in moderation" and smiled while saying it.

That just pissed me off! I said:

"Are you serious?!? Do cancer cells not thrive on sugar? Is the immune system not regulated by nutrition? Do we not need nutritional balance for our body's systems to regulate and function properly? So isn't addressing nutrition the key to building a healthy immune system to fight and keep cancer at bay? What ARE the reoccurrence rates of Hodgkin's after remission with chemo?"

She snapped back with...

"I can recommend a naturopath if you'd like"

I responded:

"That's ok. We already have an appointment scheduled with one! What about reoccurrence rates?"

"I don't have that information at hand but I can get it for you".


The ego, which controls all of us from one degree or another, makes it very difficult for many to deal with being challenged and having their inadequacies brought into the light of day. She knew she wasn't talking to someone who takes what doctors say as the gospel. She obviously was not accustomed to being questioned on her knowledge and practices. I work very hard at not giving into the demands of my own ego, because when one ego recognizes another, it goes from a convo to an egoic battle that no one wins. Because it was my 28 year old stepsons life we were talking about, I just didn't care.

After that encounter, she went from being upbeat and personable, to being very short and distant. In fact, most of the subsequent appointments were handled by lower level staff. There shouldn't have been any but it wasn't my decision to make.

My advice is to ask the question and leave it hang out there.

If they are open-minded enough to have become informed, you'll likely see it within the first few seconds of their response.

If they have no knowledge of it, yet possess the humility to admit it, you may be able to work with them. Simply tell them you've done some research on it and between the science and anecdotal evidence it shows a great deal of promise. Then ask if they have time to look into it, you'd really appreciate their expert advice whether you should seriously consider it as an added treatment option. Then offer to email some links to them on the info that sparked your interest.

If they have a dismissive attitude or there's an outright negative response, chances are they won't change their opinion on it. After all, their ego is wrapped around the science/belief system they immersed themselves in to get their degree. They have pride in the institution and the profession. To open themselves to the fact that they have been under or misinformed, is for them to acknowledge inadequacy. Their ego won't stand for that.

In our approach to doctors, our mission should be to determine if they can truly help us or not. We need doctors with the capacity to do more than peddle chemicals. We can effect positive change but only by using tact and their own ego to motivate them. Once put on the defensive the battle is lost.

This particular oncologists attitude and beliefs are akin to me feeding my plants nothing but plain water and when I see them dying, put them on a regular schedule of Roundup and hope for the best.

Pathetic!

There are good doctors and bad doctors. The vast majority are simply ignorant of the truth regarding this amazing plant.

This is just one mans opinion... take what you can use and leave the rest!

Randoobula for this detailed answer and advice

U = I (edited) fully understand your point. my oncologist agrees that cannabis is good to handle the chemo side effects but not more and only standard treatment like the chemo is what could help. I need to leave it here because I can only lose time and I decided not to tell him that I also take CCO

 

[Radogast]

Randoobula for this detailed answer and advice

U fully understand your point. my oncologist agrees that cannabis is good to handle the chemo side effects but not more and only standard treatment like the chemo is what could help. I need to leave it here because I can only lose time and I decided not to tell him that I also take CCO

When we lived in a medical state and my wife had one of the early cards, she had an exceptionally serious ankle injury (3 broken bones.) Her medical records stated she was on Medical Marijuana. It was new to them. The orthopoedic surgeon would not do surgery due to blood clots so she had to heal the natural way. There were a couple of times he asked if he could bring in colleages to show them how natural healing progresses on the instant x-ray machine - with the caveat that "She is healing faster than normal, with almost no opiods, using Medical Marijuana." He didn't offer advice, he admitted he wasn't qualified, just asked her if the marijuana was still working for her and moved on to the next question.

 

[stayalive]

When we lived in a medical state and my wife had one of the early cards, she had an exceptionally serious ankle injury (3 broken bones.) Her medical records stated she was on Medical Marijuana. It was new to them. The orthopoedic surgeon would not do surgery due to blood clots so she had to heal the natural way. There were a couple of times he asked if he could bring in colleages to show them how natural healing progresses on the instant x-ray machine - with the caveat that "She is healing faster than normal, with almost no opiods, using Medical Marijuana." He didn't offer advice, he admitted he wasn't qualified, just asked her if the marijuana was still working for her and moved on to the next question.

I like his attitude cause he saw something good is developing and he admitted that he is not qualified.

 

[SweetSue]

Lol. Right? I feel part of a population control program sometimes...and fighting it.

Hey, what is this fresh harvest oil several have mentioned? I probably know it by a different name. Hope it's not cannabis rosin.

We've taken to refining PsyCro's infused olive oil method. It kinda got renamed to Fresh Harvest Oil over the months, but we've kept his name attached to the process. I'm hoping he wanders back through and joins the conversation. There's a thread dedicated to it mon ami.

Fresh Harvest Infused Cannabis Oil

This is one you'd be well-advised to give a shot. I suspect it rivals CCO in medicinal value, though we have no lab reports yet to back that contention up. I know it's the most potent oil I've made to date, and it's become my default method. I've personally seen dramatic improvement in all three patients I supply since making the shift from dried bud infused.

We could certainly benefit from your input Cajun. You have more experience in all of this than most of us. Your insights would be invaluable.

 

[SweetSue]

I like his attitude cause he saw something good is developing and he admitted that he is not qualified.

My daughter is very straight-forward with her medical team. She's better informed than most. Having me as both her mother and her caregiver means she can tell them in detail the treatment goals, doses in anticipated milligrams, and effects. Our state just went legal, with multiple roadblocks to real freedom, but her entire medical support staff have been receptive. The most receptive of all have been her mental health support team. That field seems to have paid closer attention to the truth about cannabis.

All of them have admitted a lack of training and understanding of this new medical approach. This is gonna blow the top off of the medical profession. Exciting times ahead.

My daughter believes the generation of doctors coming up behind will be much more receptive to cannabis as a treatment modality. She keeps telling me it'll be alright, the old guys will be retiring and dying off. Love that girl.

 

[SweetSue]

I've posted a link in the study hall to the registration page for the webinars stemming from The Sacred Plant documentary series. It begins tomorrow night and runs every Tuesday through August 8.

Sacred Plant webinar link

 

[SweetSue]

On that note...
I am advising everyone to cease the consumption of coconut oil & replace it with another such as grape seed or extra virgin olive oil.
Patients using coconut oil/butter are starting to show very negative symptoms due to the saturated fat.
This has been acknowledged by several doctors & other pro's I respect.
Your call.

Cajun, I'm starting to get inquiries about what negative effects? We've been led to believe that coconut oil is no longer considered a concern for increasing the risk of heart attack or stroke, the primary reasons most avoid saturated fats out of balance. Can you share any specifics on this matter?