A Base Treatment Regimen For Cancer

[Donvito]

The chart isn't completely fake, but it is misleading because it leaves out some important information. If they extended chart to 2 hours it would show a higher peak level of THC at 230 F after 110 minutes than shorter time at higher temps. The other thing chart doesn't mention is how much CBN is created at temps above 230 F. Last fall one of our members shared the Dutch study that found 230 F to be ideal temp. I found study by GW Pharmaceuticals that confirms it (or actually 220 F for 2 hours, they didn't test 230). It also showed how much CBN gets produced. At 220 for 2 hours you get 98% conversion of THC (i.e. 2% THCA left) and 3% of THC degraded to CBN. At 250 you can decarb 99% of THC in 1 hour with 4% CBN, but if you go any longer the CBN rises rapidly. At 280 you get 100% conversion by .5 hours but CBN is at 6% but a few minutes longer and you get double digits. Keep in mind that THC keeps degrading until it cools, so just removing it from heat doesn't stop it. GW actually included data up to 4 hours. I wish they had tested temps below 220. What neither study mentions is how much terpenes are boiled off at those high temps. Decarbing at 250 isn't bad if you stop soon enough and absolutely do not go over 250, but 230 is better.

Thank you so much for the details.

So the method of bud in a oven bag. Then 230f for 110m.

With the alcohol extraction/evaporation method in a rice cooker; Does this heat cause THC/CBN conversion issues or does a rice cooker not reach a high enough temperature?

Thank you once again

Enjoy the weekend.

 

[stayalive]

It's a tough decision but it's the right one. First of all your doctors need to know everything that can affect your treatment. There are few negative drug interactions, but doctors need to know you are using cco and other supplements.
Second, if your doctor is not accepting of mmj as medicine or at least open to idea then you have the wrong doctor. You need someone you can trust with all your personal information. (well, almost all. It's okay to have a few secrets. )
Third, we need doctors to know that we are using mmj and being successful with it. They have no training about mmj and know much less about it than we do. Getting doctors to see it first hand and learning how to use it successfully is key step in reforming drug laws and medical practice.

the oncologist and his team are always informed about each supplement I am taking. he needs to agree before I take it

sorry if I repeat my question. what is the maximum dose one can use when tacking? I mean for each tack

 

[Dave Groomer]

I have used this guide in the past to decarb. 252f for 27 mins.

Which I have done again.

Is the 230/110 considerable better?

Yes.

 

[SweetSue]

the oncologist and his team are always informed about each supplement I am taking. he needs to agree before I take it

sorry if I repeat my question. what is the maximum dose one can use when tacking? I mean for each tack

Whatever you can tolerate. To increase cannabinoid levels with tacking you simply spread the doses up for more frequent administration, but the volume of the individual doses is entirely dependent on your tolerance levels. The suppositories will be carrying the heavy load.

Good morning, by the way.

 

[stayalive]

Whatever you can tolerate. To increase cannabinoid levels with tacking you simply spread the doses up for more frequent administration, but the volume of the individual doses is entirely dependent on your tolerance levels. The suppositories will be carrying the heavy load.

Good morning, by the way.

what I mean is how much maximum can I tack in one dose like for example 100mg or 200mg etc

 

[Dave Groomer]

what I mean is how much maximum can I tack in one dose like for example 100mg or 200mg etc

Like Sue said, it is up to you and your tolerance. For example. I gave my wife a does of the fresh harvest oil I made. I gave her about 1/2 of what I would take, and it still got her really high. She was mostly functional. When we went out a little later, she said "what did you give me?" So we found she needs a smaller dose. Worst case scenario, if you take too much, you will sleep for a bit.

 

[SweetSue]

Like Sue said, it is up to you and your tolerance. For example. I gave my wife a does of the fresh harvest oil I made. I gave her about 1/2 of what I would take, and it still got her really high. She was mostly functional. When we went out a little later, she said "what did you give me?" So we found she needs a smaller dose.

That FHO is making lots of noise around the neighborhood. We need to get some tested so we can try to determine what's a starting dose. I'm back on mine today after a couple days of testing sativas. I missed the clean buzz.

 

[stayalive]

Like Sue said, it is up to you and your tolerance. For example. I gave my wife a does of the fresh harvest oil I made. I gave her about 1/2 of what I would take, and it still got her really high. She was mostly functional. When we went out a little later, she said "what did you give me?" So we found she needs a smaller dose.

Dave thank you for jumping to help. but again what is the max you think or know one can tack in one tack? could I put 1/2 a gram on my finger and tack it? would that make sense? or 100mg is already a lot on a finger? I didnt mean how much my tolerance is right now because it might be much higher in a week or 2

 

[SweetSue]

Dave thank you for jumping to help. but again what is the max you think or know one can tack in one tack? could I put 1/2 a gram on my finger and tack it? would that make sense? or 100mg is already a lot on a finger? I didnt mean how much my tolerance is right now because it might be much higher in a week or 2

As soon as you can you want to jump to suppositories for the bioavailability of the biobombs. Those smaller cannabinoid loads are more effective systemically than tacking alone will bring. The size of a tacking dose is strictly limited by your tolerance, so yes, in a couple weeks it'll be higher, but you want the majority of the cannabinoids administered through suppositories.

 

[stayalive]

As soon as you can you want to jump to suppositories for the bioavailability of the biobombs. Those smaller cannabinoid loads are more effective systemically than tacking alone will bring. The size of a tacking dose is strictly limited by your tolerance, so yes, in a couple weeks it'll be higher, but you want the majority of the cannabinoids administered through suppositories.

I need to read back where someone wrote that syringe suppositories would be preferred to BioBombs as suppositories. is that right?

 

[SweetSue]

I need to read back where someone wrote that syringe suppositories would be preferred to BioBombs as suppositories. is that right?

Either method is useful, they're interchangeable. Both hold 1 ml of mix, so it's just a matter of personal preference. I find the capsules so easy to use I never bothered to buy 1 ml syringes.

 

[CCOiler]

Dave thank you for jumping to help. but again what is the max you think or know one can tack in one tack? could I put 1/2 a gram on my finger and tack it? would that make sense? or 100mg is already a lot on a finger? I didnt mean how much my tolerance is right now because it might be much higher in a week or 2

Tacking bigger then a grain of rice size tack could result in a sloppy tack and get you very euphoric. a grain of rice size CCO is about 1/10th of a gram (my fuzzy math)

What say you Mr. Rabbi?? Mr. Dave? Mr. Cajun?

 

[KingstonRabbi]

My sister took a 3 month leave of absence to take the oil. Her employer has drug testing, with a zero tolerance drug policy. What is the recommended maintenance dose to hopefully keep new tumors from appearing?

I've been thinking a lot more about maintenance dosing since you asked this. Talking to Sue I realized that the goal of maintenance isn't killing cancer cells as much as preventing growth and spread, which is something that our bodies are designed to do when we are healthy. Sue's thread on supporting the ECS without cannabis is full of things that will help our bodies do this. I've been thinking of these as ways to increase effectiveness of treatment kind of like part of the entourage effect. Gradually I'm shifting my mindset to accept that I'm in the happily-ever-after phase.

My point is that they are many parts of a maintenance regimen that may get the job done without cannabis for those like your sister that have to deal with drug tests. Apigenin that we use for competitive inhibition is also very effective at suppressing the ID1 gene that drives growth and spread. Whether or not these alternative treatments (I just love the irony of calling non-cannabis treatment 'alternative'! ) are enough on their own is untested territory. But the safety net is that we know cannabis is effective for your sister's cancer if it ever does come back. We just need to be vigilant while we enjoy our happily-ever-after.

 

[KingstonRabbi]

Tacking bigger then a grain of rice size tack could result in a sloppy tack and get you very euphoric. a grain of rice size CCO is about 1/10th of a gram (my fuzzy math)

What say you Mr. Rabbi?? Mr. Dave? Mr. Cajun?

I never got the hang of tacking, partly because my oil was hard to work with and partly because my 'grain of rice' size dose was like cooked short-grain rice and not the skinnier uncooked long-grain variety. Sloppy tacking was my result. Skinny uncooked long-grain rice is about 1/20 of gram, taken 5 times a day is 25% of daily dose like Cajun recommends.

I was going to make an obvious joke about your fuzzy math, but if you are able to tack 1/10 gram cleanly that's good to know.

 

[CCOiler]

I was going to make an obvious joke about your fuzzy math, but if you are able to tack 1/10 gram cleanly that's good to know.

I tack 1/2 of a grain of rice, my fuzzy math comes in after I tack a whole grain of rice

Thank you for your input, I was hoping you would chime in.

 

[Duarte]

Thanks for the info. What would be a reasonable maintenance dose of Apigenin?

 

[KingstonRabbi]

Thanks for the info. What would be a reasonable maintenance dose of Apigenin?

Like I said, this is uncharted territory. There's research on apegenin and other potential cancer fighting supplements but I'm not aware of any that ties it all together into a maintenance regimen. I suspect continuing to take 2 capsules 5x/day would be part of it, but just one part. Omega 3 supplements plus reducing consumption of omega 6 fatty acids would be another part. Diet changes to eliminate refined sugar. Mild exercise and meditative breathing to keep cells oxygenated. Turmeric. DMSO (although beware of Dave's tale). There's a lot more information on Sue's ECS pages. All I can say is for your sister to do everything she can to reduce inflammation, increase oxygenation and support the ECS. And of course to get regular scans. This is something I'm going to keep looking into, but you and your sister are going to need to do your own research on this to make it work.

 

[Duarte]

Thank you for the quick reply. My sister is already taking the omega 3. I just re-ordered more apigenin from Swanson's and also ordered some turmeric with black pepper. Exercise is not a problem and I don't think she has had any desire for sugar lately. I will mention DMSO and the breathing. I will definitely read Sue's pages on ECS. I work full time and also take care of my mom, who will be 90 next month, so I don't have a lot of spare time, but I try to read a little every night.

 

[HoneyGirl420]

Much Mahalos for this post very informative
I definitely leared from this

 

[Radogast]

Thank you for the quick reply. My sister is already taking the omega 3. I just re-ordered more apigenin from Swanson's and also ordered some turmeric with black pepper. Exercise is not a problem and I don't think she has had any desire for sugar lately. I will mention DMSO and the breathing. I will definitely read Sue's pages on ECS. I work full time and also take care of my mom, who will be 90 next month, so I don't have a lot of spare time, but I try to read a little every night.

The tumeric with the pepper is a great choice, the pepperine activates the tumeric - that wonderful entourage effect