6-Day Sensitization Protocol: Resetting The Tolerance Levels

Well, I worked something out after everything that got talked about and tried yesterday.

My previous run through this protocol helped me discover that I don’t tolerate THC by ingestion very well. Nothing to do with stomach issues, just the effect of that form of the cannabinoid doesn’t sit well in my system.

So thanks to Shed doing the spreadsheet for me and thinking how I might get more CBD into my base dose without upping the THC the light bulb moment last night was to keep the oil at the very low level (1-1.5ml per day for 2-3mg of CBD) and to treat vaping with the CBD as part of the base meds, to get more CBD just through a different pathway.

The vaping for pleasure will come and go and is not necessarily an everyday thing. Often only on weekends. So even with my single vape draw yesterday evening, I haven’t broken protocol I realised because I didn’t have an oil dose then. I’ll xontinue today on the oil, make the evening dose a single vape draw like yesterday and then se how the vaping the CBD CC on top of the oil goes on Sunday which is my day 6.
That’s messed with the protocol a bit but only very slightly. I didn’t add a dose, just took it in a different form of delivery (although it was a high THC variety).

This protocol is all about working out what works for each individual. That’s how I understand what Sulak says in much of his material.

Last time I leant something. And this time I’m learning something more - which builds on the discovery from last time. I now know that presently I am going to need the oil and a small amount of CBD vaped during the day. And then a draw of a THC variety at night (prob not a Sativa!). If I can maintain that I think it will be good. Then my challenge is to keep the fully recreational getting fully blazed to a less frequent occurrence. I think that still allows for a ‘SweetSue day’ often enough! LOL! Even if it means I need to execute the protocol more regularly. I don’t think I will though if I can keep things at roughly the pattern I’ve worked out now. Thanks everyone for the support!

I’ll report back about the day 6experiments with vaping the CBDCC :thumb:


Ok this is bending my brain a bit. If she’d wirked out that my oil has about 2.5mg/ml, how do you manage to get 160mg into her?

I know your FHO is double potency but even at double... she would have to be taking over 30ml of oil a day. Plus 160sounds like an extreme amount :eek: (not to mention 80mg of THC). All the info I’m looking at talks about CBD doses of 2-15mg/day...

Maybe I’m not getting something here...:hmmmm:

That was a typo on my part, and I can't find the figures to see what I was playing with yesterday. She's getting 8 capsules a day. We're in the process of adapting the regimen to include acid cannabinoids, but her base dose is still going to be 8 CBD CC capsules, double-strength.

By my calculations her base oil is coming out to be about 12 mg/ml of CBD and about 8 mg/ml of THC. Multiply that by 8 doses a day and she's getting approximately 64 mg of THC and 96 mg of CBD a day, from the capsules alone.

Her sleep dose is probably in the range of 20-25 mg THC, and she sometimes vapes a high-THC chemovar a couple times a day. We usually take that time to sit and talk for a hour or so.

She tells me she doesn't think she's building a tolerance, because she listens to her body, and it frequently directs her to go with a different chemovar for a while. In this way she appears to be maintaining a balance that works nicely for her

I'm beginning to wonder if the model we believe about tolerance is the whole truth. I do the protocol to Spring clean my system. My tolerance levels are different, in that I don't really have to do more than normal to get the same effect, but rather I enjoy euphoria so much I keep striving to get to the next level.

And I don't see that as a detriment. I reject the idea that feeling euphoria means you're overdosing. Euphoria is a valuable therapeutic effect of cannabis. One adjusts the levels attained to fit the social obligations, but there's nothing inherently wrong with getting high as you heal. Its certainly possible to dose without euphoria, and one wants to avoid overwhelming euphoria, but I don't believe it's necessary to eliminate it for cannabis to be therapeutic.

It feels to me like there's this underlying implication that by being euphoric you're interfering with the healing process, and that's the idea I don't accept.
 
That’s great thanks Sue. So does the daughter get any sense of high or stoned from the THC in the CBDCC? Just curious - cause with that info in mind, I’m realising just how minuscule my doses are!

(@SweetSue - in case you missed this part :battingeyelashes: ) I’m also interested because I have this theory that when there’s something way off kilter, the cannabinoids don’t feel like they get you stoned until the systemic disruption has settled. Dunno if that makes sense. For example I’ve been given these herbal pain killers for neuropathy. They work well and also tamp down the general jangled nervous system. I was warned they are sedative (which is why it took 18months before they gave them to me) but I get no sedation from them at all if my system is in a hyper jangled state. All they do is tamp that down and I feel close to normal - no sedation. But if I’m already settled and haven’t been over doing it to wind up the ANS/CNS, then I feel the sedation. See what I’m getting at.
So the theory would be that when there’s the systemic imbalance to deal with, that’s where the ‘work’ of the cannabinoids goes.... All completely speculative of course... and probably not in the right thread either...

I think with that wonderful amount of CBD she must be getting a beautifully tempered THC experience too. :)
 
That’s great thanks Sue. So does the daughter get any sense of high or stoned from the THC in the CBDCC? Just curious - cause with that info in mind, I’m realising just how minuscule my doses are!

Keep in mind the daughter weighs just under 300 pounds, and acknowledges that as she lets the weight go that dose will have more phychoactive effect, but for now she doesn’t feel anything more than wellbeing.

I, on the other hand, have to call it quits at two capsules of the same dose. One capsule at that strength works for me, with a very nice euphoria.

It’s an indica. Like Weaselcracker, I have little tolerance for indicas. I don’t often take the CBD CC anymore because I leave it for her. When we have more I’ll go back to one a day.

Of course acid cannabinoid oils are beginning to catch my interest.
 
Yes - I was supposed to do a non decarb’d infusion to blend with this one. Totally forgot! lol
I think I’ll grow a Candida one day soon...
:Namaste:

I have seeds, and sometime this year I intend to try. I’ve come into some interesting genetics over the years. When I get back I’ll do a small thread for myself with all the pertinent info.

Time to start playing with the daughter’s training manual. Lol! This should be fun. I’m considering making a thread for her, “This Is How I Do It” - a step-by-step tutorial with pictures. That sounds better every time I say it. Lol! We’re trying ideas to keep her brain focused on the job so the plants are still alive when I get back. :rofl:
 
@Amy Gardner, I missed the last part of your last post.

I agree with your theory, and it’s part of my reason for questioning the tolerance story we’re being told.

My theory goes like so: cells vibrate, and a healthy cell has a sweet homeostatic tone shared by neighboring cells, all happily working together in their particular cellular neck of the woods to create health and harmony.

When a cell becomes damaged or diseases it’s vibratory tone changes. In a healthy system those changes in vibration alert the ECS and a cannabinoid is created right there to adjust the tone through a particular action which adjusts the cellular chemical cascades.

Those endocannabiniods are created, put into action, and degraded in the blink of an eye.

When we introduce phytocannabinoids I figure they’re zeroing in on errant vibrations. Cancer cells, in particular, present many more receptors for those cannabinoids to attach to. Through their own survival skills they manage to hide in plain site from the endogenous system but I believe they may stand out for free-ranging phytocannabinoids.

I help a couple members with intense stressors in their lives who have rediculous challenges feeling the meds and I’m always reminding them that not feeling it doesn’t translate to me that they aren’t getting medicinal effect, simply that their bodies have a greater need thats being met with the reserve troops. For me, this explains why my daughter can tolerate the higher dose of base meds that’s have me drilling on the floor like a spineless jellyfish. Lol!

It’s a mystery I’ve yet to completely understand, but I’m having a lot of fun figuring it out. :battingeyelashes:

How you doing Amy? :hugs:
 
I’m just taking in that last post again Sue. Yes, we seem to be on the same theoretical page there. It makes some sense.

I’m on day one of another trip through the protocol. This time I’ll resensitise with the high THC vaping and find my happy places with that. Then I’ll reintroduce my CBD doses - which I worked out last time I did the protocol - and then adjust things if needed once that has settled back in.

I’m probably massaging the protocol a bit by doing this but, as we’ve discussed, Dr Sulak doesn’t really provide for that situation of dosing and I don’t have the energy to get into it with him (start a whole new exchange etc) so I’m improvising and making it work for me.

My cannabinoid receptors are pretty saturated recently - in part as the aftermath of some very indulgent days and week around my birthday. So it seemed a good day to start, seeing as I have to make a new batch of CBD oil that won’t be ready for a couple of days anyway. It’ll be nice enjoying the smells while I make it!

It’s like the car wash - cleaning the receptors. Roll up the windows, make sure there’s no leaks and bunker down, enjoy the show until you emerge into the sunlight all shiny new...

:surf:

... and ready to get high from the mere suggestion of Golden Tiger...

:Namaste:
 
Hang tough Amy. :hugs: You’re working out new pathways for those following behind. I’m interested to see how you adjust when you add in the CBD.

That’s kinda backwards from what’s suggested now - start with high CBD and microdose the THC slowly, using increments as low as 1 mg per dose.

The idea is a high CBD medicine with the minimal amount of THC needed to be effective. This becomes the baseline meds, upon which you build your social use, and keeps you from overstimulating the ECS when it’s listening for cells needing healing signaling.

All new territory my friend. Out here along the cutting edge we get to be more daring than the more fearful lab rats. Lol!

Got a good laugh at the birthday indulgence. We really are very similar. Lol!

If it were me I’d do a 72-hour reset, come back in with the CBD and see how little THC it takes to get me to my comfort zone with my body. Then I’d experiment to see what limitations I have with rec use.

We’re here with you. :hugs: I have to go to bed though. :rofl: You understand. :hugs:
 
If it were me I’d do a 72-hour reset, come back in with the CBD and see how little THC it takes to get me to my comfort zone with my body. Then I’d experiment to see what limitations I have with rec use.

You know that may be better. But it’s similar to what I did last time around. I found my CBDCC dose first and then vaped regular bud for relaxation and enjoyment on top of that. So this time I was thinking about finding the happy enjoyment dose first. But you’re right, because the tempering effects of the CBD dosIng will affect the ‘for fun’ consumption.

I do (have always so far) aim for high CBD first though, as per the medicinal recommendation :thumb: This is partly why I’m growing a Candida over summer. So I can get more CBD straight up, and then be more deliberate about how much THC goes in that base dosing oil.

For now though, just a simple reset and restart.

Sue, when you suggest 72hr reset, you mean complete cannabis abstinence for 72 hours? Or just the first 5days of the Sulak protocol?

72hours is 5 days, right?
We’re here with you. :hugs: I have to go to bed though. :rofl: You understand. :hugs:
Thanks :hugs:
and , of course! We’re virtually always here... :battingeyelashes:
 
72 hours is three days Amy, and before you feel bad about that let me admit I had to pull up the calculator because I suddenly questioned it. :rofl:

I may start a Candida seed myself soon. It makes beautiful golden oil. Chris Scorpio gave me some to try with my daughter. We’re attempting to reset her with a higher CBD ratio, kinda what I recommended for you, but without stopping.

We can’t stop her regimen. It’s not an option. So we’re shifting the CBD and THC ratios very slowly.
 
72 hours is three days Amy, and before you feel bad about that let me admit I had to pull up the calculator because I suddenly questioned it. :rofl:
:rofl: see, one day without and I can’t do math anymore!!

That sounds wise. I look forward to my Candida.

Tbh I may have done what you’re describing if I wasn’t out of my dosing oil - because it does help to manage the pain as well as ptsd anxiety. But I need to make oil, so, the partner is well warned ;) and I’m hunkered down. Making oil and smelling buds :)

:slide:
Nighty night to you (it’s 1am woman, get to bed already!)
 
I’m through the week, :high-five: on day 5 of the program. The first 2 days were ok at first and then got rough as I realised how much the CBD does for certain kinds of pain I experience. So night one I was pretty manic and didn’t sleep, night 2 there was serious painsomnia. Rather than trying to breathe through it or taking something else nasty (the other legal herb things weren’t working) I realised, to my relief - that it says “2 days (48hrs)” and it was 8pm tues night, and my last vape was early Sunday evening - about 7. So I just had a quick one-hit of some high THC indica and was able to get to sleep. Vaping doesn’t kill the pain, but it reduces it enough and lowers the distress levels a lot. Plus it kind of disconnects me from the pain - it’s still there, but I’m distracted or distanced from it. Some people can do this through meditation, I have achieved it occasionally during deep meditation - but you can’t live there. Unless you’re a serious Yogi - and I’m not there!

So this time I’m actually resensitising using dry herb. I’m using either strait CBD critical cure (2:1) or blending it with some professor chaos (all THC) to approximate a 1:1 ratio, and I’m vaping it. It’s a good idea. I feel like I will able to achieve a very functional state during the day with the oil dosing, plus somewhere around 1:1 dry herb vape as needed on top.

I’ve been taking the 3rd dose (you’re ‘allowed’ 3 a day during the sensitising phase) in the evening and making it a regular THC indica (this week it’s Ice by female seeds) to help me go to sleep and this is working :thumb:

This is my 3rd time through the protocol in about 8 months - and I think I’m finally working a few things out, when I draw together the discoveries that each run through has revealed.

Because I had no oil this time I experimented with dry herb and I’m glad.

I’ll aim to substitute doses once my oils are ready. (Made today, just had the oven switched off - I can do that via text from my bed... isn’t that great!?:battingeyelashes:)

So this one was a little rough - in the pain department, but I’m good now. The first one hit my stomach hard, but that didn’t last too long, the second time my psyche had a few conniptions (and I was swallowing the oil - thereby discovering that my system doesn’t like eating THC, not from an indica at least - I’m going to try some sativa edibles and see). Once you learn how to adapt the protocol a bit for your needs it’s a really great tool for working out treatment of different things (as well as the resensitised result). I’m not quite there yet (wherever there is), but I do feel like I’m coming out this time with a fairly settled and effective protocol to go on with. My plan then, is to have more recreational indulgence on occasion but not necessarily every day. (When I do that I get way more ripped too ;) ). I’ve got a few months of doctors appointments and tests coming up so I want to be ok with smaller amounts in my system. I don’t know why, just do - could be completely unfounded. Sometimes we’re a puzzle to ourselves :)

Oh and, this is kind of for Sue in particular, but anyone who knows about the secret breath will hopefully get a kick out of it too. The breath has been reminding me of something... and then I remembered...

The Secret Breath

 
Love it Amy. Lol! The intensity of the stare. Lol!

A thorough, thoughtful, and insightful passage through this time. :hugs: I like the way the universe guided you to a flower reentry.

You’re helping work out the protocol for multiple dosing options, and that’s going to be so invaluable going forward.

It’s painful to read of the discomfort, but relieving to know you’re ok. :hugs: Three time’s in 8 months.....you’re more courageous than me, but then you treat more pain than I and that calls for focus on a level I don’t yet need.

Proud of you I am. :hugs::hugs::hugs:
 
:thumb:

Doob. In case you do, I highly recommend using the protocol as a guide at least - it seems a bit controlled at times, and I never actually wrote down my ‘inner inventory’ (maybe the first time). But if you plan to do a full sensitising things after the 2 days of abstinence, it really works doing it just that way he says :)

I actually got really ripped of a single draw from my vape last night (I forgot what I was doing and took a way way long one ;) ). That has t happened in quite some time.

It also helps sometimes to have something structured to focus on...

https://healer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Healer.WorkBook.Inhalation.6Day.pdf

:Namaste:
 
Ok so question .... is 6 days really enough for a heavy user... currently I smoke anywhere from a 1/2g of shatter or hash per day + about 7g of bud.

This lowers is I’m using edibles obviously as the edibles do a great job. My new canna caps that I made today turned out great at 55mg/cap of THC at 60% from hash coco oil and lecithin.

But just wondering if I stopped for 6 days would that reset me or would I need more of a 12/18/24 day cycle to clear and cleanse !?

Thanks for the input !
 
Ok so question .... is 6 days really enough for a heavy user... currently I smoke anywhere from a 1/2g of shatter or hash per day + about 7g of bud.

This lowers is I’m using edibles obviously as the edibles do a great job. My new canna caps that I made today turned out great at 55mg/cap of THC at 60% from hash coco oil and lecithin.

But just wondering if I stopped for 6 days would that reset me or would I need more of a 12/18/24 day cycle to clear and cleanse !?

Thanks for the input !

@Dutchman1990, sorry to be so long answering.

72 hours is enough to reset the receptors. The 6-Day protocol is the full reset of the regimen, a slow and thoughtful process to assess your new tolerance levels.

This process begins with a 72-hour period of abstinence. This three days is enough time to allow the receptors that the cells took offline to keep from being too excited soften and rise to the membrane surface again, ready for activation by the cannabinoids.

It won’t matter your current tolerance level. After three days without your tolerance will fall to at least half.

I’m glad to hear you’re using canna caps. I use liquid sunflower lecithin in my oils for a faster onset. May I ask what you use cannabis for, and what dosing schedule you’re currently using?
 
@Dutchman1990, sorry to be so long answering.

72 hours is enough to reset the receptors. The 6-Day protocol is the full reset of the regimen, a slow and thoughtful process to assess your new tolerance levels.

May I ask what you use cannabis for, and what dosing schedule you’re currently using?


I use it for back pains / nerve damage and insomnia. I dose really heavy to sleep each night or i just toss and turn there laying in pain.

Dosing schedule depends on pain that day. If I’m doing and edibles day I’ll injest around 500-600mg of THC and the odd joint here and there for a boost.

On my regular days without edibles I generally wake up and start with a few dabs to kick start the day then I generally medicate with a joint every hour or 2 or a few bong hits. I smoke around 7g of bud a day and about 1/2g maybe of shatter some days

Really depends on how I’m feeling.

Thanks for the input @SweetSue

I think I’ll start a ECS 72hr detox on Monday! Then start a new lower dose regime

Any thoughts is greatly appreciated!
 
I think I’ll start a ECS 72hr detox on Monday! Then start a new lower dose regime

Any thoughts is greatly appreciated!
Hey Dutch - I can really recommend following the full Dr Sulak method for reintroducing the cannabis after that first 72 hours (and the method of smelling your open jars of bud during that period of abstinence ;) ).

I didn’t do the writing stuff down part so much, but the slow easing into the dose was really powerful and is actually part of what allows you to get the same beneficial effect from much less weed/oil.

The slow reintroduction actually trains your system to receive the cannbinoids and ass you ease in you become more sensitised to it. That why it’s called a re-sensitisation protocol.

They seem a bit wanky and over organised, but seriously, try following his worksheet for oil dosing and see how you go.

I had some difficulty because like you I’m using for significant pain levels so going that long without and then on tiny doses was hard, but even when I decided fuggit I have to have a toke, I would treat it like one of the doses for the day and just take one draw to get me through. When I come to the 6th day I’m always amazed at how much effect I get from a way smaller amount :thumb:

Good luck with it man! :goodluck:
 
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