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well so far it looks like one girl is not going to make it. now the other girl on the same side is looking all droopy WTF!! it looks like its been over watered by how she is drooping, but i did give them all that much water and not any more then the other 2 that are kicking ass and growing real good. what i did was dug the dirt out down to the Rockwell cube to let things dry out more faster. i might dig up the one looking real bad and let her sit in some dry dirt. its weired the two on the left are growing nice and fast and the two on the right are all droopy. Ive never had this happen to me and never had a plant die on me, so i am at lost of words. this grow is off to a bad start. i guess theirs a 1st time for everything.

one thing i am debating is if i lose those 2 girls should i go to the club and get 2 more, or just say screw it and threw a screen over the 2 good ones and do a big SCROG grow. IMO 2 plants is perfect for a SCROG.

whats your guy's thought's on what to do about the girls that look over watered? also if they do die witch option do you think i should do?
 
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I pondered this for a while with my tent as well.I just turned my exhaust fan around and blow the air in from the bottom.Fills up like a balloon.Not sure if this has any affect on plants with added preasure but I can feel the air leaving out of the top vent.It works for me but then again im not even comming close to producing the nugs you are.:goodjob:
 
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IrishBoy said:
well so far it looks like one girl is not going to make it. now the other girl on the same side is looking all droopy WTF!! it looks like its been over watered by how she is drooping, but i did give them all that much water and not any more then the other 2 that are kicking ass and growing real good. what i did was dug the dirt out down to the Rockwell cube to let things dry out more faster. i might dig up the one looking real bad and let her sit in some dry dirt. its weired the two on the left are growing nice and fast and the two on the right are all droopy. Ive never had this happen to me and never had a plant die on me, so i am at lost of words. this grow is off to a bad start. i guess theirs a 1st time for everything.

one thing i am debating is if i lose those 2 girls should i go to the club and get 2 more, or just say screw it and threw a screen over the 2 good ones and do a big SCROG grow. IMO 2 plants is perfect for a SCROG.

whats your guy's thought's on what to do about the girls that look over watered? also if they do die witch option do you think i should do?
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After seeing your friends 1lb harvest I would do that.1lb out of 1 plant indoor is loss of words.
 
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turttle said:
I pondered this for a while with my tent as well.I just turned my exhaust fan around and blow the air in from the bottom.Fills up like a balloon.Not sure if this has any affect on plants with added preasure but I can feel the air leaving out of the top vent.It works for me but then again im not even comming close to producing the nugs you are.:goodjob:
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you should have to air getting exhausted out 2x per min i believe?
turttle said:
After seeing your friends 1lb harvest I would do that.1lb out of 1 plant indoor is loss of words.
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yup thats what has me thinking. not too bad for him. but we have to keep in mind his setup as far as condition's is as good as it gets. Co2, controllers, heaters, everything! top notch setup.
 
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Sorry to hear about your trouble with those two plants.

Kinda weird that with the same clones and the same setup, two are thriving and two aren't.

Maybe those two clones weren't healthy.

I like to have the entire area of the intake flaps for intake, so what I do is just make cardboard light traps on the outside of the tent over the fully open flaps.

This can be as simple as an unfolded sheet of cardboard leaning against the tent and covering the flap with about 1" of clearance for airflow, to whatever folded shape I need to do the job. You could secure the light trap with a little tape, but I haven't had to.

If you have a good relationship with your clone source, I'd tell them what happened and ask if they'd be willing to replace those two clones.
 
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Setting Sun said:
Sorry to hear about your trouble with those two plants.

Kinda weird that with the same clones and the same setup, two are thriving and two aren't.

Maybe those two clones weren't healthy.

I like to have the entire area of the intake flaps for intake, so what I do is just make cardboard light traps on the outside of the tent over the fully open flaps.

This can be as simple as an unfolded sheet of cardboard leaning against the tent and covering the flap with about 1" of clearance for airflow, to whatever folded shape I need to do the job. You could secure the light trap with a little tape, but I haven't had to.

If you have a good relationship with your clone source, I'd tell them what happened and ask if they'd be willing to replace those two clones.
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ya i dont know WTF is going on? i just dug up the 2 and put some fresh coco in the whole and put them back in to give them a dryer medium to see if they will bounce back? i am almost certain 1 of them is as good as dead. ill give her a few days and see what happens? i have a little more hope for the other one, she might be able to pull threw? the other 2 on the left are growing nice, their older leaves have some wounds but new growth is nice and healthy. after thinking i am starting to think those red spots weren't a Cal def but nute burn? IDK ill post some pics and see what u guys think? poor girl! so young to die.

the club where i get my clones probably dont care to do anything about that, but ill run it by them, i just dont think they will hook me up. but its worth a try.

by the way do you have any pics of ur light trap setup? i am sure many would love to see what ur talking about. sounds like a smart idea.
 
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Heres some pics of the girls.
those marks i thought were a Cal def kinda looks like nute burn to me now. what you guys think? maybe the Bio-tone starter plus burnt them? or maybe i am wrong.
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the other plant
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Heres one i think might make it maybe?
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This one is pretty much dead i think? ill give her a few days to give her a chance.
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re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

The way the better of the two is wilting it would seem light a problem in the root zone to me. Doesn't seem like they are getting anything, including water. How did the roots look when you put the one in new coco? That or too much heat.IDK?
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

you should have to air getting exhausted out 2x per min i believe?

Yeah My set up is realy small scale.I didnt really think of this as your running a bit more space.I am pushing 190cfm into about 45cf of space.Plus my set up is in my bedroom so I think I am also just recirculating the same air.I honestly see a co2 set up as my next toy.
I like your friends set up getting a lb indoor off 400 watt is very impressive.Is he growing dwc?
 
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Another question. Are those stems that purple or is that the led causing the color change? They look very purple to me.
 
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molotov said:
The way the better of the two is wilting it would seem light a problem in the root zone to me. Doesn't seem like they are getting anything, including water. How did the roots look when you put the one in new coco? That or too much heat.IDK?
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the roots on the better one were still white and not too bad, still small. the other one the worse one had a little browning on the roots. i am thinking this soil gets too muddy and its stopping O2 to my roots.
turttle said:
you should have to air getting exhausted out 2x per min i believe?

Yeah My set up is realy small scale.I didnt really think of this as your running a bit more space.I am pushing 190cfm into about 45cf of space.Plus my set up is in my bedroom so I think I am also just recirculating the same air.I honestly see a co2 set up as my next toy.
I like your friends set up getting a lb indoor off 400 watt is very impressive.Is he growing dwc?
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yup DWC. his name is Rumpleforeskin Google it.
ya i am reticulating the air in one of my grows also but its a big room with fresh air coming in for the most part so it should be fine. you exahst fan is plenty big enough for that size area, but IMO when ur just blowing in the air like you are ur just mixing fresh air with stall air. i think that fan running as a exhaust and a smaller fan running as a intake would kick ass for you. thats how i usally run my setups and have no trouble, in fact i see a good in cress in yield from doing it this way. i want to do the same in my tent but the temps are cold so i haven't yet. i might in flowering.

CO2 is the way to go IMO, but IMO if ur gonna do it you have to do it right! and thanks going to cost you! a Co2 controller is they best way to go, but they are not cheap for a good one. you will save money in the long run from not waisting co2 and going threw CO2 tanks all the time. If temps arnt a problem for you then a CO2 generators are a good option. but i think temps become a issue with you sometimes if i remember right? but as you can see these things pay for them selfs, he gets more yield from one plant then most do with a garden and a 1000w HPS. Good strains is also everything. He's been growing that Whit Widow for years. he knows everything about that strain
molotov said:
Another question. Are those stems that purple or is that the led causing the color change? They look very purple to me.
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ya their purple
 
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turttle said:
I honestly see a co2 set up as my next toy.
I like your friends set up getting a lb indoor off 400 watt is very impressive.Is he growing dwc?
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heres a quote from Rumple

I can get a pound or more from two plants under a 400 watt lamp in a total of 70 days.

How is this done? Well a lot of it has to do with the plant, I have a fast growing heavy plant. White Widow is known for large harvests (it was made for just that). CO2 enrichment is the other part of the puzzle that some folks are missing. I maintain over 1600 PPM the whole grow cycle (veg and flower)

I use General Hydroponics Flora series. I feed using the Lucas formula. Pretty simple and nice results
I don't add anything to the GH mixture except water. Most folk's yield suffer from adding more then the plant can use. Keeping it simple gives me the best results.


i guess i was a little off, i know he get at least 12oz or more from 1 plant. i remember him saying that he only grows one plant because his yield isn't too much more then with one plant. either way 12oz or more is crazy from 1 plant indoors under a 400w HPS. only feeding GH Flora micro and bloom and nothing els. but i think he has came real close to a lbs in the winter time under one plant? but 12oz+ i think consistent

this is what the Lucas Forumla did for me on my 600w led grow with 4 plants. not as good as rumple but not bad for not hydro and not the best setup.
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heres his from 1 plant.lol
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this is just one of his branches and he has a ton of them. bigger them most peoples whole plant.lol
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Hand down one of the best growers i have seen with one plant. dont get me wrong theirs a ton of them out their but he's up their in my book. and if i go SCROG you best believe he is the 1st i am seeking advise from.
 
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Thanks Irish for the name:)...Yeah co2 is not cheep if you want it done right.I think the best deal I found on a ppm conroller was 250(new model just for co2 C.A.P ppm controler and monitor basic 350 for the digital) and another 300 for tank and regulator.Thanks again Irish going to google that really need to learn some skills with the dwc set up.Yes quality of seed and strain is most important.I use to get seeds the size of my pinky nail....But that was the old days lol.I am still new to a lot of these new strains.
I was doing some reading on the coco mix.I think I herd they do a heavy flush with cal mag before planting and add perlight.I have no experties on the matter but was reading a lot of people have a hard time with it.:peacetwo:
Shit your last grow under that 600 watt with no c02.veary impressive and healthy looking.Freaken hairs on that skunk you grew.Nice:thumb:
 
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turttle said:
Thanks Irish for the link...Yeah co2 is not cheep if you want it done right.I think the best deal I found on a ppm conroller was 200 and another 300 for tank and regulator.Thanks again Irish going to google that really need to learn some skills with the dwc set up.Yes quality of seed and strain is most important.I use to get seeds the size of my pinky nail....But that was the old days lol.I am still new to a lot of these new strains.
I was doing some reading on the coco mix.I think I herd they do a heavy flush with cal mag before planting and add perlight.I have no experties on the matter but was reading a lot of people have a hard time with it.:peacetwo:
Shit your last grow under that 600 watt with no c02.veary impressive and healthy looking.Freaken hairs on that skunk you grew.Nice:thumb:
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nope didnt post a link just a growers name.:thumb:
if you want to learn DWC or SCROG or info on White Widow he is the one to ask IMO.

a real good CO2 controller is going to cost a little more then what u posted. his controllers his whole room, lights, temps co2,RH% everything.

yes its a good idea to flush coco from salts and per-charge with Cal/mag before planting. everything i have read says Canna CoCo doesnt need to be flush before planting, and ive heard the same about the one i am using. but who knows better to be safe then sorry i guess. i think CoCo and clay pebbles with be a good mix.

i was very happy with my 600w led grow, not to sure why i decided to change things? kinda stupid of me.lol. i think i will be back to SunShine#4 soon.lol.

the weed turned out so good i couldn't even tell you. just a perfect ten. theirs last grow isn't as good, its up their but not as good as that grow, but i didn't have the best condition's on my last grow.LMAO!

i didnt keep it all that simple on this grow and look whats happening. K.I.S.S. is the golden rule and i broke that. now i have a young plant about to die.
 
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hey irish, wow thats some good amount of meds.
the two plants that look droopy looked like the ssh and bubblelicious i had and they had just died and shriveled a bit like tht and the reason was the dispensary i got them from they didnt grow the roots long/big enough so when i got them and took them home and transplnted i believe they were to young nd could handle the little stress, because the roots werent healthy enough and in results death. how good are the roots on those two ladies. maybe they werent in a cloner long enough. just a thought!!!
 
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staffy said:
hey irish, wow thats some good amount of meds.
the two plants that look droopy looked like the ssh and bubblelicious i had and they had just died and shriveled a bit like tht and the reason was the dispensary i got them from they didnt grow the roots long/big enough so when i got them and took them home and transplnted i believe they were to young nd could handle the little stress, because the roots werent healthy enough and in results death. how good are the roots on those two ladies. maybe they werent in a cloner long enough. just a thought!!!
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the roots should have been big enough for a soil transplant. just not as big as the others and when they got the little big of watering they couldn't handle it. i take fault in it, its been a long time since ive grown in dirt and never growing in coco. i wish i would have added perlite or clay pebbles for more air. i thought the coco would have been enough for good drainage with the soil but i think i am wrong. at least i am finding out things so i can correct it for my other grow room that should start next weekend. i might just go back to SunShine#4 and a good mix of perlite or clay pebbles to help with the cold winter temps. i will also add my TRF's different then this time. SS#4 seems to give me easy and good results.
 
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IrishBoy said:
the roots should have been big enough for a soil transplant. just not as big as the others and when they got the little big of watering they couldn't handle it. i take fault in it, its been a long time since ive grown in dirt and never growing in coco. i wish i would have added perlite or clay pebbles for more air. i thought the coco would have been enough for good drainage with the soil but i think i am wrong. at least i am finding out things so i can correct it for my other grow room that should start next weekend. i might just go back to SunShine#4 and a good mix of perlite or clay pebbles to help with the cold winter temps. i will also add my TRF's different then this time. SS#4 seems to give me easy and good results.
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well thats a shame bro.
i saw that ss4 mix the first time not long ago, so i know i can try it some time if i choose to. im thinking of this roots organic soil mixed with this browny orange cluster things, instead of perlite, i wanna say some sort of lava rock thing. anyway this guy i know say this stuff is pretty new but works amazing, ill try and look it up if u want.

ur gonna do a second grow aswell. :) very nice. what r u doin for this one?
 
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Setting Sun said:
hmmmmmmmm, that does look like nute burn.

how could your mix be too hot, though?
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IDK? maybe the Bio-tone starter plus? the GO roots or seaweed? maybe the DM? their were a few things added. poor little girls! dont the little droopy girls look like their suffering from over watering?
staffy said:
well thats a shame bro.
i saw that ss4 mix the first time not long ago, so i know i can try it some time if i choose to. im thinking of this roots organic soil mixed with this browny orange cluster things, instead of perlite, i wanna say some sort of lava rock thing. anyway this guy i know say this stuff is pretty new but works amazing, ill try and look it up if u want.

ur gonna do a second grow aswell. :) very nice. what r u doin for this one?
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yes i have the same in my organic mix, its lava rock i am pretty sure thats what i read on the bag?

SS#4 is a great mix the only bad thing the PH can get kinda low from the Peat moss. you can always fix that though, its allot cheaper then soil also.

yes a second grow i split my grows up so it would be over crowded, the other grow will be two 300's maybe in my Hempy buckets with SS#4 and 50% clay pebbles, or maybe coco or shit IDK.lol. haven't thought about id i want Hempy again or just some 5 gal pots. Ill figure it out last min.lol. but SS#4/clay pebbles is sounding good or 100% coco with cal/mag added the whole time.

to Hempy or not to? that is the question.
 
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