480W & 720W LED Grow - Land of Clovers

[IrishBoy]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

It kinda looks light a slight ph change and maybe slight lock out.It may be the light change and intensity having some affect.I think maybe a slight mix of cal mag and the root toner @ maybe 100ppm in a skirt bottle and maybe only run one light till cuttings are established..I think..

i dont think its the light? last 2 grows i ran the 600w led light and no problems. maybe the strain acts different towards the light, but i dont think so, I think its a nute Def. its a Cal def and soon it will be a mag def. i just feed them Cal/mag+, Boi weed, bio roots. who knows maybe tomarrow they will be fried and ill have to get new ones rather lose them now then later.

to be honest they look happy as shit!! expect for one she's happy but just a little droopy not all standing up very tall like the others, but she's not a bad droopy.

 

[IrishBoy]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

at the end of the day i just think their hungry! their not getting the food they want. heres another thing to think about! when using OC+ you use allot more prills them when you use DM, so it seems its even worse mixing the DM threw out the whole medium because thats less food so its less available to the roots when their young. IDK guy's. To each is their own, but i just dont see any true benefit mixing threw out the medium? its even going against what the company recommends. I am sure a big company like these two have tested this before and theirs a reason why they recommend doing it the other way. It just so clearly makes much more sense to add it into the hole or mix root level to me.

doesnt it make more sense to it that way, to you guys?? weight out the pro/cons it seems theirs more pros adding it to the root zone.

 

[turttle]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

i dont think its the light? last 2 grows i ran the 600w led light and no problems. maybe the strain acts different towards the light, but i dont think so, I think its a nute Def. its a Cal def and soon it will be a mag def. i just feed them Cal/mag+, Boi weed, bio roots. who knows maybe tomarrow they will be fried and ill have to get new ones rather lose them now then later.

to be honest they look happy as shit!! expect for one she's happy but just a little droopy not all standing up very tall like the others, but she's not a bad droopy.

Yeah I know nothing about coco I think I am going to learn alot out of this thread.I am sure they will pull threw they just need to get use to their new home.
With a dry nute product it makes sence to me to mix it threw the top.In my opinion it will disolve better with water running over it and make its way to the root zone and covers more area as it does so.I dont think it would hurt to mix some threw out I think drainage and type of median may have some factor and more of it may be just personal preference.

 

[Planter]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

hey bro i had a question for you, on my KM just on one of the top colas, there seems to be like a yellow ball comin up from the top? do u know what this is? is it a seed?
any help would be great thanx

 

[IrishBoy]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Ill tell you one thing for sure. I DO NOT RECOMMEND A GROW LAB TENT. MY ZIPPER IS NOT ALREADY COMING UNDONE. THE STITCHING ON THIS TENT SUCKS. IMO IS A PEACE OF SH*T.

ZIPPER COMING UNDONE
VENT FLAP ALREADY RIPED
BUNGY STRING FOR VENTS ALREADY COMING UNRAVELED
LIGHT LEAKS EVERYWHERE

I WILL NEVER EVER BUY A GROW LAB AGAIN. IVE BARLEY OWNED IT FOR A WEEK.

VERY CHEAPLY MADE. AND A WAIST OF $238

I WILL GET A SECRET JARDIN DARK ROOM NEXT TIME.

 

[IrishBoy]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Yeah I know nothing about coco I think I am going to learn alot out of this thread.I am sure they will pull threw they just need to get use to their new home.
With a dry nute product it makes sence to me to mix it threw the top.In my opinion it will disolve better with water running over it and make its way to the root zone and covers more area as it does so.I dont think it would hurt to mix some threw out I think drainage and type of median may have some factor and more of it may be just personal preference.

I AM SURE WE WILL BOTH LEARN ALLOT ABOUT COCO FROM THIS GROW.
i think ur right a combo of the to is the way to go get the best of both worlds. some for the plants when the young rooted and cooler food for them when their roots are bigger. you can add quite a bit of this stuff and not burn ur plants, so why not?

hey bro i had a question for you, on my KM just on one of the top colas, there seems to be like a yellow ball comin up from the top? do u know what this is? is it a seed?
any help would be great thanx

need a pic bro

 

[Setting Sun]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

It does seem to take a few days for the levels of nutes to build up with the prills spread out evenly, and I found this in an article that agrees with you:

https://www.fs.fed.us/rm/pubs_other/rmrs_2009_landis_t001.pdf

"During outplanting, PCRF may be placed under or near
plants (Jacobs and others 2003b). Some researchers
recommend placing PCRF in the bottom of the planting
hole, which ensures that released nutrients will be easily
accessible to the plant (Gleason and others 1990). Other
applications include applying the PCRF in a dibbled
hole alongside the plant or broadcasting it around its
base. To minimize the possibility of fertilizer burn to
roots and prevent the nutrients from being “stolen” by
competing vegetation, the side application makes the
most sense.

and then further on from the same article:


In order to
achieve uniform and healthy plant growth, it is important
to mix PCRF uniformly and without damaging their
coatings. The various PCRF products release nutrients
differently, but diligent monitoring of electrical conductivity
can be used to avoid problems with salt accumulation,
or to indicate when supplemental fertigation may
be required.




Most of the studies that I've read compare top-dressing to incorporating the prills into the mix, and incorporating them always came out on top between those two, but I hadn't found too much on "dibbling" or pouring them all in at the root zone.

What bothers me about the "side" application method, or any method that puts most of the prills in one spot, is that it won't encourage root growth.

I think the best way to get around this problem, which I agree with you is that they're hungry, is to give them a couple of feedings with a liquid veg nute to get them over until the CRF kicks in. I'd keep the runoff to a minimum too.

In a couple of studies I read, the largest plants were grown by using a CRF as a base nute, and then liquid nutes every other watering.

That kinda defeats the whole "just add water" beauty of CRF's, but it performs better than CRF's alone.

Anyhoo, I'd hit your plants up with the veg nute of your choice

 

[IrishBoy]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

It does seem to take a few days for the levels of nutes to build up with the prills spread out evenly, and I found this in an article that agrees with you:

https://www.fs.fed.us/rm/pubs_other/rmrs_2009_landis_t001.pdf

"During outplanting, PCRF may be placed under or near
plants (Jacobs and others 2003b). Some researchers
recommend placing PCRF in the bottom of the planting
hole, which ensures that released nutrients will be easily
accessible to the plant (Gleason and others 1990). Other
applications include applying the PCRF in a dibbled
hole alongside the plant or broadcasting it around its
base. To minimize the possibility of fertilizer burn to
roots and prevent the nutrients from being “stolen” by
competing vegetation, the side application makes the
most sense.

Most of the studies that I've read compare top-dressing to incorporating the prills into the mix, and incorporating them always came out on top between those two, but I hadn't found to much on "dibbling" or pouring them all in at the root zone.

What bothers me about the "side" application method, or any method that puts most of the prills in one spot, is that it won't encourage root growth.

I think the best way to get around this problem, which I agree with you is that they're hungry, is to give them a couple of feedings with a liquid veg nute to get them over until the CRF kicks in. I'd keep the runoff to a minimum too.

In a couple of studies I read, the largest plants were grown by using a CRF as a base nute, and then liquid nutes every other watering.

That kinda defeats the whole "just add water" beauty of CRF's, but it performs better than CRF's alone.

Anyhoo, I'd hit your plants up with the veg nute of your choice

As always you come with great info.

i agree about the side hole, dont makes too much sense to me.

heres two way i think will kick ass.
#1. when filling ur pots add a layer of the TRF where ur root zone will be abouts, but spread it all around the pots in that one level on the medium. you plants will have food right their by the roots and when you water it will run down and the roots will chase/get the food every where when their bigger.

#2. mix the TRF all threw-out the medium, but put some right in the transplant hole also so the roots get food right away.. then they can have food everywhere since its also mixed throwout the whole medium when the roots get bigger.

I also agree with you about feeding a liquid nutes until things get rolling. I was just thinking that a little bit ago. because thats what i did on my last grow, and thats what you did on ur grow and everything worked out. I think their just hungry! I added some of the Bio starter + mixed into the trans plant hole when i potted them witch has food, but i think it might also take time to break down from the micro life?

i still have some GH Flora series i can feed then next time. right now the pots are already watered and i dont want to water more.

i just feed with some Cal/mag+, Bio seaweed, and bio roots witch has Alfalfa meal,brewer's yest, potassium sulfate, rock phosphate, sea kelp, soybean meal.

also the Bio-tone starter plus by the roots mixed in when i trans planted and the DMred/ 1/2 dose matter magic mixed in throwout the medium. so i have allot going on.lol. witch is starting to scare me. but i figure 1/2 of those things will take time to kick in and my girls should be big enough by then?

I just notice something kind weird though. it seems its only my plants on the left side thats having those spots. could be just the way it happen or it could mean something? but it could be a simple as maybe the plants on the right had more TRF right by their roots? or the Bio-tone was mixed in more at the roots zone on those plants? IDK? kinda weired though
I am not worred too much about my old growth getting effected right now as long as the new growth is ok. dont get me wrong i want every thing good.

P.S. Remember your baby clones had the same look to them at 1st and i said looks like ur underfeeding them so u bumped it up with the FF and every thing got nice and lush green? same thing i think? their just hungry right now.

 

[Planter]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

heres a pic of what im talkin about, sort of shit. took alot of pics to try nd get it, so now i have to charge my bat and ill try to take a better one.

 

[IrishBoy]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

heres a pic of what im talkin about, sort of shit. took alot of pics to try nd get it, so now i have to charge my bat and ill try to take a better one.
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look like its going to be ok. its kinda hard to see. sometimes when i am about to get bleaching my buds at top will do that when the light is too close. not to sure if it the tip of the bud getting hit hard from the light? i would just keep an eye on it and if it gets worse let us know. but if it were bleaching you will see it on the jung top leafs also, so that might not be it.

 

[Planter]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

will do thanx mate, i didnt think of that, but possibly, got it at 11 inch from light, but well see. thanx

 

[IrishBoy]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Heres some good reading on Seaweed for out plants.


Seaweed extracts have been proven to accelerate the health and growth of plants. The actions of it are many. We will attempt to explain some of them here for you.

Seaweed stimulates beneficial soil microbial activity, particularly in the pockets of soil around the feeder roots resulting in a substantially larger root mass. where the beneficial fungi and bacteria known as "mycorrhizae" make their home. This area of the soil is known as the "rhizosphere." The rhizosphere activity improves the plants ability to form healthier, stronger roots. Having many actions it also enhances the plants own natural ability to ward off disease and pests. A good example has been observed that aphids and other types of sap feeding insects generally avoid plants treated with seaweed. At the same time it works within the soil to make more nutrients available to the plant. The rhizosphere forms a nutrient food bank for the plant it can draw on in times of stress.
Another action seaweed has on the roots in the rhizosphere is due again to the increased mass and depth of the roots the plant is able to draw more moisture from the soil increasing the drought tolerance level. The root mass also allows the plant to more effectively absorb and use fertilizers that are applied to the plant and soil. The overall stronger root structure may help plants physically resist certain types of root diseases.

Seaweed enhances photosynthesis via increasing a plants chlorophyll levels. Chlorophyll is what gives plants their green color. By upping the level of chlorophyll the plant is able to efficiently harness the suns energy. Along with this seaweed contains a complex range of biological stimulants, nutrients, and carbohydrates. To date more than 60 different types of nutrients in seaweed have been confirmed. However seaweed in itself is not a plant food, rather it is classified as a "bio-stimulant."

Seaweed extracts contain natural plant growth regulators (PGR) which control the growth and structural development of plants. The major plant growth regulator are auxins, cytokinins, indoles and hormones. These PGRs seaweed are in very small quantities generally measured in parts per million. It only takes a very small amount of these to do the job.

Indole compounds help the development of plant roots and buds.
Cytokinins are hormones that promote growth via rapidly speeding up the process of cell division making seaweed extract of value in treating tissue cultures. When they are applied to foliage the leaves rejuvenate stimulating photosynthesis. Thus they stay green longer. The cytokinins in seaweed extract are a major factor when applied to apple and peach trees in promoting the growth of fruiting spurs and reduce premature dropping of fruit.
Auxins, also hormones, occur in the roots and stems during cell division. They move to areas of cell elongation where they allow the walls of cells to stretch. Auxins actually give fruits and vegetables a naturally longer shelf life. This is known as delaying senescense: the deterioration of cells and tissues that results in rotting.
Improved cold tolerance: We have had results with seaweed treated tomato plants that were able to take temperatures as low as 29 degrees and survive quite well. Many more cold tolerant annual flowering plants such as petunia, alyssum, and verbena were able to withstand many hard freezes and stay green and flowering. Plants that have broken dormancy too early due to unseasonable fluctuating temperatures are able to make it with the help of just one foliar application as have seedlings that were put out and left uncovered.

How can this be?
The effect of the growth regulators in seaweed fill plant tissues with hormones and minerals displacing a lot of water in the tissues. In turn this helps plants to tolerate the pressure from frost that would normally cause significant tissue damage. Polyamino compounds in seaweed also play a role in cold resistance as do abscissic acid. Seaweed as a plant supplement treatment has consistently proved to be the best treatment for preventing the threat of frost damage. For us seeing it was believing it!

Seaweed extract and insects: Once again the plant growth regulators in seaweed come into play concerning insect control. We have observed reductions in populations of aphids and flea beetles on seaweed treated plants to the point that these bugs were hardly noticed. Infestations of spider mites have been reduced by 40 to 50 percent. It is thought that the spray may have an effect in disrupting the mites reproductive capabilities.
The presence of hormones in seaweed may act to keep insects from advancing sexually rendering them incapable of reproducing. Some female insects are prevented from producing sexual scents that are needed to attract a mate.

These are some of the reasons that Golden Harvest Natural Fertilizer has seaweed extract as one of its' main ingredients. The amounts it contains are perfectly measured in the formula so there is no guess work for you in combining seaweed extract with another fertilizer product! All the ingredients in Golden Harvest work together to give your plants the absolute best! We also sell seaweed powder that works beautifully as a plant tonic on its' own in between your regular fertilizer applications.


Heres more info


SEAWEED COMES ASHORE
Reprint from Nov/Dec 1991 Fine Gardening Magazine

By Delilah Smittle

Seaweed is good for the garden. Mixed in the soil, it slowly releases nutrients that plants need, while improving soil texture. Since it is particularly rich in micronutrients such as iron, copper, zinc, boron and manganese, seaweed offers a natural remedy for soil with a micro-nutrient deficiency. Seaweed also contains large quantities of hormones that stimulate plant growth. Plants in seaweed amended soil grow faster and larger than plants in soil with a comparable amount of conventional fertilizer.A traditional soil amendment in coastal gardens, seaweed is now formulated in extracts and granular products that you can find on garden center shelves and in catalogs of garden suppliers (see sources on p. 32). Fresh seaweed and dried granular seaweed must break down in the soil to release their nutrients and hormones. A foliar spray of seaweed extract and water makes the nutrients and hormones available to plants faster. Research has shown that plant health can improve within days after the spray is applied. Foliar seaweed sprays rapidly correct nutrient deficiencies, improve fruit set and help a plant endure environmental stress, including drought and frost.

Where it started
Coastal gardeners have long collected seaweed and composted or used it fresh as mulch in their gardens. In the British Isles, 19th century gardeners grew potatoes of superior flavor in layers of sand and seaweed on bedrock. Traditionally, seaweed is raked from the sea by hand, piled into skiffs and brought to shore. It is time-consuming, heavy work. A small boatload of fresh seaweed weighs 4,000 lb. to 5,000 lb. Not surprisingly, the discovery of synthetic fertilizer sin this century eclipsed labor-intensive and slow-acting organic amendments, seaweed among them. Seaweed's emergence as a tonic for plants began with British experiments with seaweed as a replacement for hemp during World War II. Scientist learned that as a rope substitute, seaweed was hopeless because it dissolved in water. This discovery, however, led to a process for liquidating and concentrating seaweed, making it possible to bottle and to transport economically it's minerals and hormones. Drying seaweed over low heat led to the production of seaweed meal, a source of minerals and vitamins for livestock feed, and a concentrate soil amendment. Today, gardeners can readily find seaweed extract and seaweed meal.

The primal supermarket
Seaweed is a rootless plant in the Fucus family that floats freely or clings to rocks by holdfasts (root-like or disc-shaped plant parts that attach seaweed to rocks but don't absorb nutrients). Seaweed photosynthesizes the sunlight that reaches it through shallow water and it absorbs nutrients from seawater through its leaves. Since the ocean receives runoff from the entire earth, it contains all known minerals, trace elements and vitamins. This primal supermarket supplies a more complete diet for sea plants that any plot of rich soil or fertilizer provides for land plants. Seaweed contains 60 or more minerals and several plant hormones. It is not, however, a complete fertilizer. It has a fair amount of nitrogen and potash, but very little phosphorus, a major plant nutrient. Only a few seaweeds are harvested commercially. Norwegian kelp (Ascophyllum nodosum) a brown algae, is the seaweed most used in gardening. Norwegian kelp is gathered off the coast of England, Ireland and Norway and both the Atlantic and Pacific coasts of North America where it is called rockweed. Gulfweed (Sargassum) a floating sea plant, is harvested off the coast of North Carolina. Giant kelp (Macrocystis) is collected in the Pacific Northwest.

How seaweed enhances plant growth
Seaweed is constantly worn down by tides and eaten by fish, so it must grow rapidly to survive. Studies at the University of California showed that a frond of seaweed can grow a foot a day, given optimal conditions. The same growth hormones that prompt such rapid growth in seaweed, when applied to plants as a foliar spray, can increase the speed of cell division and elongation in those plants. The hormones also increase root growth when applied to the soil as meal, or when a seaweed extract is used as a root dip.In recent turf test at Virginia Polytechnic Institute in Blacksburg, plots sprayed with seaweed extract had 67% to 175% more roots that untreated plots. Plots treated in fall showed a 38% increase in spring growth over untreated plots and showed 52% more roots.In test at South Carolina's Clemson University, seeds soaked in liquid sea weed extract showed rapid germination and the resulting seedlings and increased root mass and stronger plant growth that seedlings from untreated seeds. They also had a higher survival rate. Soaking plant roots in seaweed extract reduces transplant shock and speeds root growth. Seaweed foliar sprays promote faster, stronger stem and leaf growth and earlier blossoming and fruit set when sprayed on leaves and flowerbeds.

Seaweed as fertilizer
Seaweed improves soil fertility in several ways. Seaweed's nutrients and hormones are directly available to plants. Mannitol, a compound found in seaweed, enables plants to better absorb nutrients from the soil. The rapid breakdown of carbohydrates in seaweed stimulates beneficial soil bacteria that fix nitrogen and make it available to plant roots. These activities reduce the need for chemical fertilizers, and when seaweed is used with them, enhance their effects.Robert Kourik, an organic gardening specialist, suggest using 1 lb. of seaweed meal per 100-sq. ft. of soil or 1/4 tablespoon of liquid concentrate to 1 gal. of water for a foliar spray in intensive vegetable gardens. No matter what formulation is used -- fresh, dried or liquid - don't exceed the recommended quantities because excessive amounts of seaweed can stunt plant growth rather than encourage it.

Seaweed as pest control
Some scientists believe that seaweed has developed antitoxins to fend off bacteria and viruses in the ocean. In the gardens, these antitoxins interrupt the reproductive cycles of some insects and appear to repel others. Seaweed also reduces fungi when applied to plants or soil. In test at the University of Maryland, seaweed meal reduced soil nematodes in turf grass plots. Clemson University studies showed fewer aphids and flea beetles on foliar threatened plants, and other studies showed resistance to spider mites and scab. In Clemson studies, fruits and vegetables treated with seaweed didn't grow mold and thus had a longer shelf life.

Using seaweed
You can apply seaweed as mulch or as a soil additive, or incorporate it in a compost pile (its ability to activate soil bacteria makes seaweed an excellent compost starter). But the preferred method of application is as a foliar feed. For a head start on the growing season, you might want to presoak seeds in diluted seaweed extract for 20 minutes before planting. Then water the seedlings regularly with the same solution until strong growth appears. Apply seaweed meal to the soil as soon as the ground can be worked in spring because the meal needs time to break down. Work the meal in to perennial beds when the plants break dormancy.Apply foliar sprays once or twice a month during the growing season. Spraying in late fall supplies phosphorus and zinc to plant roots and increases the frost tolerance of grass, vegetables, and perennials. A late season foliar treatment can yield a longer harvest of vegetables.A balanced organic fertilizer can be created by mixing fresh seaweed or seaweed meal with manure or fishmeal, both of which supply sufficient phosphorus. Seaweed is also a good soil conditioner and can add as much humus to the soil as manure can.



SEEMS IT CAN HELP US WITH EVEN PEST AND MOLD PROBLEMS. LOTS OF BENEFITS TO USING IT.

 

[irishgrass]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Pulling up a seat, first time to get in early just reading the options above it dose sound like the more logical way to go would be to have the feed at the root from the get go, some intresting reading about Rh as ive never taught much about it but then i never had a meter to show the levels, one for the future me thinks,
hopefully they are as you say hungary and it sorts its self fast with the extra attention you are giving them, good work Irish

 

[Setting Sun]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Heres some good reading on Seaweed for out plants.

thanks Irish!

No matter what formulation is used -- fresh, dried or liquid - don't exceed the recommended quantities because excessive amounts of seaweed can stunt plant growth rather than encourage it.

The control of the apical dominance is an interaction between cytokinins and auxin. When the terminal bud suppresses the development of auxiliary buds. This cases is an example of when the two hormones are antagonistic. When the auxin transports down the shoot it restrains auxiliary buds from growing which allows the shoot to lengthen. Yet if cytokinins are entering the shoot systems they signal the auxiliary buds to start growing. Auxin cannot stop the buds from growing once it has begun.

The coordination between auxin and cytokinins allow a balance of growth in the shoots and roots systems. When the roots become more extensive they cytokines level increase and signals the system to form more branches. Once the roles are reversed in the development of the lateral roots; cytokinins inhibit root branching while auxin stimulates.



This is why Humboldt's Bushmaster keeps plants from stretching. It has a high concentration of seaweed extract, and in high enough concentrations, the cytokinin level overwhelms the auxins, throws off the growth balance, and keeps plants short and stacked.

 

[IrishBoy]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

pulling up a seat, first time to get in early Just reading the options above it dose sound like the more logical way to go would be to have the feed at the root from the get go, some intresting reading about rh as ive never taught much about it but then i never had a meter to show the levels, one for the future me thinks,
hopefully they are as you say hungary and it sorts its self fast with the extra attention you are giving them, good work irish

thanks irish. I cant tell you how its a must to use a rh% meter. Its a must imo.. Dont mess with mold you will be very sorry. From what i have seen once you get it it's game over my friend. Buy a temp gugae that has rh% also. If you need to now what rh% to have in veg and bloom let me know and ill post it.

thanks irish!



the control of the apical dominance is an interaction between cytokinins and auxin. When the terminal bud suppresses the development of auxiliary buds. This cases is an example of when the two hormones are antagonistic. When the auxin transports down the shoot it restrains auxiliary buds from growing which allows the shoot to lengthen. Yet if cytokinins are entering the shoot systems they signal the auxiliary buds to start growing. Auxin cannot stop the buds from growing once it has begun.

The coordination between auxin and cytokinins allow a balance of growth in the shoots and roots systems. When the roots become more extensive they cytokines level increase and signals the system to form more branches. Once the roles are reversed in the development of the lateral roots; cytokinins inhibit root branching while auxin stimulates.



this is why humboldt's bushmaster keeps plants from stretching. It has a high concentration of seaweed extract, and in high enough concentrations, the cytokinin level overwhelms the auxins, throws off the growth balance, and keeps plants short and stacked.

you are right!! Crazy!!! I have to give you credit, your the one who got me looking into seaweed. One thing i cant find is should i use it in flowering?? Gh says to only use in veg on their charts. How many times have you used it? Any details on what it has done for you would be cool bro?

The gh stuff looks weird like some ninja turtle slime stuff.lol very bright green and thick. 1/2tsp per gal is what they say. But on the gh stuff its only show npk on the bottle no micros or any of the other stuff? Wondering if they processed it out or something?

 

[Setting Sun]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I copied this from Maxicrop's website:

Where can I use Maxicrop Seaweed?

It can be used by itself, or with fertilizers:
• on all plants as a natural stimulant
• on seedlings to encourage strong, early growth
• as a supplement to fertilizer to encourage fruit set and better yields
• as a “pick-me-up” for unhealthy plants
• to encourage growth and greening of lawns (turf)
• on all greenhouse and nursery plants (weekly)
What results can I expect?

Research has shown that Maxicrop Seaweed increases root growth by 60%. This gives your plants the foundation for bigger, better quality fruits and vegetables and more prolific blooms. It also makes plants more resistant to stresses.

On previous grows, I've used Maxicrop through the entire grow, so not sure why GH doesn't mention using it during flowering.

The Maxicrop bottle label also doesn't list all the micros, so that's not uncommon. They don't process anything out, they just don't list them.

 

[IrishBoy]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I copied this from Maxicrop's website:

Where can I use Maxicrop Seaweed?

It can be used by itself, or with fertilizers:
- on all plants as a natural stimulant
- on seedlings to encourage strong, early growth
- as a supplement to fertilizer to encourage fruit set and better yields
- as a "pick-me-up" for unhealthy plants
- to encourage growth and greening of lawns (turf)
- on all greenhouse and nursery plants (weekly)
What results can I expect?

Research has shown that Maxicrop Seaweed increases root growth by 60%. This gives your plants the foundation for bigger, better quality fruits and vegetables and more prolific blooms. It also makes plants more resistant to stresses.

On previous grows, I've used Maxicrop through the entire grow, so not sure why GH doesn't mention using it during flowering.

The Maxicrop bottle label also doesn't list all the micros, so that's not uncommon. They don't process anything out, they just don't list them.

good to know.

i was thinking maybe its messed with the smell and taste and thats why they only use it for veg? shit i just watched ur plants get healthy real fast from the seaweed added. i might just use it for the 1st 1/2 of flowering or something.

all i know is its amazing stuff.

 

[TorturedSoul]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Did I read something a while back about coco locking up calcium when it... dries out or something? I can't remember but there was something about coir and Ca. I think. Not all that sober right now and I'm way out of practice.

BtW, you got a warranty with that tentlike PoS, I hope? Maybe you can get a refund instead of a replacement and put the money towards a Secret Jardin. Sounds like even their Dark Street II beats yours and their Dark Room II is even better. And they've got an Intense line now, more lightproof than the others, better material, strong waterproof base I think will hold a 3000 liter spill (what are they growing in those things, fish?), and the overhead will hold 75kg (~165 lbs.) at the center. Overkill beats getting killed but it's probably pricey:
Secret Jardin-DarkRoom-

 

[IrishBoy]

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Did I read something a while back about coco locking up calcium when it... dries out or something? I can't remember but there was something about coir and Ca. I think. Not all that sober right now and I'm way out of practice.

BtW, you got a warranty with that tentlike PoS, I hope? Maybe you can get a refund instead of a replacement and put the money towards a Secret Jardin. Sounds like even their Dark Street II beats yours and their Dark Room II is even better. And they've got an Intense line now, more lightproof than the others, better material, strong waterproof base I think will hold a 3000 liter spill (what are they growing in those things, fish?), and the overhead will hold 75kg (~165 lbs.) at the center. Overkill beats getting killed but it's probably pricey:
Secret Jardin-DarkRoom-

why you have to tease me like that?lol. put gas on the wound. i want one!!! I think they come with a warranty? the hydro store i bought it from went out of business.lol. SOL. you know their gonna send me a replacement but ill have to send this one back and find a place for my girls. maybe after this grow ill send it in.

The Intense is crazy price $1k-3k

But the II looks better then mine like you said. I F'ed up thats all i can say. when i get funds ill throw the Grow Lab into my other room and get a jardin for this room.

 

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re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Speaking of tents, I just got a third Secret Jardin DR80 today.

Thanks for the link TS, I didn't know they had revamped their lines. The new ones sound even better than the old ones, but they don't make one now the size of the DR80, so I'm really glad I got another one before they became unavailable.

I'm glad they left the basic design of the old series, which was excellent, and just upgraded the thickness of the material and the strength of the frame.

Some vendors may be discounting their stock of original models, so may be a good opportunity to get a deal on them.

Once I get my new grow room framed in and get the three DR80's set up in there, we gon' have big fun .