300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
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re: GrowLEDHydro 300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
both looks great man, can def tell the led is more trichs than the hid. but both great. good job
would u be able to throw a lil knowledge my way in dryin and curing. tried postin on my thread but no takers. so i got a box a lined it with shoe string so i can hang he buds inside. had to put a humidfier by it, so its 43% most of time, temps are 65-71. is this ok?
buds are starting to get crispy on the outside, still pretty moist in middle. stems, well one snapped but not clean off and all others, nearly there but still flimsy.
what im getting worried about is the smell. hwere did it go? lol. it was there before but now seems like it is fading away and is just giving off sort of like a tomato fresh plant smell. unless i sqeeze a nug and smell my fingers then it smells really nice. will the good smell come out more once i start curing in a glass jar, and since it is drying it is getting rid of all this plant smell out? im just confused and lil worried im gonna have dank lookin nug but beester smellin weed. any info/ help will be awesome.
both looks great man, can def tell the led is more trichs than the hid. but both great. good job
would u be able to throw a lil knowledge my way in dryin and curing. tried postin on my thread but no takers. so i got a box a lined it with shoe string so i can hang he buds inside. had to put a humidfier by it, so its 43% most of time, temps are 65-71. is this ok?
buds are starting to get crispy on the outside, still pretty moist in middle. stems, well one snapped but not clean off and all others, nearly there but still flimsy.
what im getting worried about is the smell. hwere did it go? lol. it was there before but now seems like it is fading away and is just giving off sort of like a tomato fresh plant smell. unless i sqeeze a nug and smell my fingers then it smells really nice. will the good smell come out more once i start curing in a glass jar, and since it is drying it is getting rid of all this plant smell out? im just confused and lil worried im gonna have dank lookin nug but beester smellin weed. any info/ help will be awesome.
thinkerr
New Member
re: GrowLEDHydro 300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
this is what irishboy has been posting for curing ----------
It's a very simple and effective process:
Cut the product, trim it per your preference, but don't dry it until the stems snap. Take it down while the stems still have some flex, but the product feel dry on the outside. This is a perfect opportunity to drop the dry-feeling flowers onto a screen and collect prime-quality kief that would otherwise get lost in the jar.
Jar the product, along with a Caliber III hygrometer. One can be had on Ebay for ~$20. Having tested a number of hygrometers - digital and analog - this model in particular produced consistent, accurate results. Then, watch the readings:
+70% RH - too wet, needs to sit outside the jar to dry for 12-24 hours, depending.
65-70% RH - the product is almost in the cure zone, if you will. It can be slowly brought to optimum RH by opening the lid for 2-4 hours.
60-65% RH - the stems snap, the product feels a bit sticky, and it is curing.
55-60% RH - at this point it can be stored for an extended period (3 months or more) without worrying about mold. The product will continue to cure.
Below 55% RH - the RH is too low for the curing process to take place. The product starts to feel brittle. Once you've hit this point, nothing will make it better. Adding moisture won't restart the curing process; it will just make the product wet. If you measure a RH below 55% don't panic. Read below:
Obviously, the product need time to sweat in the jar. As such, accurate readings won't be seen for ~24 hours, assuming the flowers are in the optimal cure zone. If you're curing the product for long-term storage, give the flowers 4-5 days for an accurate reading. If the product is sill very wet, a +70% RH reading will show within hours. If you see the RH rising ~1% per hour, keep a close eye on the product, as it's likely too moist.
this is what irishboy has been posting for curing ----------
It's a very simple and effective process:
Cut the product, trim it per your preference, but don't dry it until the stems snap. Take it down while the stems still have some flex, but the product feel dry on the outside. This is a perfect opportunity to drop the dry-feeling flowers onto a screen and collect prime-quality kief that would otherwise get lost in the jar.
Jar the product, along with a Caliber III hygrometer. One can be had on Ebay for ~$20. Having tested a number of hygrometers - digital and analog - this model in particular produced consistent, accurate results. Then, watch the readings:
+70% RH - too wet, needs to sit outside the jar to dry for 12-24 hours, depending.
65-70% RH - the product is almost in the cure zone, if you will. It can be slowly brought to optimum RH by opening the lid for 2-4 hours.
60-65% RH - the stems snap, the product feels a bit sticky, and it is curing.
55-60% RH - at this point it can be stored for an extended period (3 months or more) without worrying about mold. The product will continue to cure.
Below 55% RH - the RH is too low for the curing process to take place. The product starts to feel brittle. Once you've hit this point, nothing will make it better. Adding moisture won't restart the curing process; it will just make the product wet. If you measure a RH below 55% don't panic. Read below:
Obviously, the product need time to sweat in the jar. As such, accurate readings won't be seen for ~24 hours, assuming the flowers are in the optimal cure zone. If you're curing the product for long-term storage, give the flowers 4-5 days for an accurate reading. If the product is sill very wet, a +70% RH reading will show within hours. If you see the RH rising ~1% per hour, keep a close eye on the product, as it's likely too moist.
re: GrowLEDHydro 300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
Wow man, that was a great report. Leaves me with a much better feeling towards LED.
Excellent job with the journal, very much deserves it's rating. Congrats and hope to learn some more from you in the future.
Wow man, that was a great report. Leaves me with a much better feeling towards LED.
Excellent job with the journal, very much deserves it's rating. Congrats and hope to learn some more from you in the future.
Barry Manilow
New Member
re: GrowLEDHydro 300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
Welcome to 420 Gravy! SS certainly deserves to be a legend, he's done great work not just growing but helping the rest of us with all our questions and ahem great ideas.
We're blessed with quite a few great growers here, and they're also great teachers and helpers.
Welcome to 420 Gravy! SS certainly deserves to be a legend, he's done great work not just growing but helping the rest of us with all our questions and ahem great ideas.
We're blessed with quite a few great growers here, and they're also great teachers and helpers.
re: GrowLEDHydro 300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
Very cool grow SS thanks for doing this for us! Ive been wondering for a while now how these leds we use stacked up to HID? you answered allot of questions i had about that. thanks buddy!
Very cool grow SS thanks for doing this for us! Ive been wondering for a while now how these leds we use stacked up to HID? you answered allot of questions i had about that. thanks buddy!
Silent Bob
420 Member
re: GrowLEDHydro 300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
Ditto. Twas a Most Excellent adventure.
Thanks for the smoke report, final round of pictures and of course this whole great journal. I had fun following along and I'm not even a candidate to buy an LED or a HPS.
Fabulous journey! Thanks!
Ditto. Twas a Most Excellent adventure.
lbezphil2005
New Member
re: GrowLEDHydro 300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
Setting Sun, the reports confirmed the reason I made my decision and went LED instead of HID. I am still in the vegetative stage, but getting ready to slowly drop from 20/4 to 12/12, 2 hrs a week, so wish me luck! Although I may have to speed up my schedule, my strawberry haze and hawaiian snow are starting to stretch since I moved my light up!
Setting Sun, the reports confirmed the reason I made my decision and went LED instead of HID. I am still in the vegetative stage, but getting ready to slowly drop from 20/4 to 12/12, 2 hrs a week, so wish me luck! Although I may have to speed up my schedule, my strawberry haze and hawaiian snow are starting to stretch since I moved my light up!
Dexter4Morgan
New Member
re: GrowLEDHydro 300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
how high are your lights ? as my clones have gotten older I drop the light closer
did you get clones or seeds ? I got 2 seedlings under a T5 4 bulb and I'm waiting to move them under the LED until they get a little bigger
how high are your lights ? as my clones have gotten older I drop the light closer
did you get clones or seeds ? I got 2 seedlings under a T5 4 bulb and I'm waiting to move them under the LED until they get a little bigger
Propa Gator
New Member
re: GrowLEDHydro 300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
Yo, Phil. I have young moms of S, Haze and H. Snow, among others. Those two are totally opposite in appearance.
Will you flower yours together?? Pictures, journal? Please post a link in your signature.
Yo, Phil. I have young moms of S, Haze and H. Snow, among others. Those two are totally opposite in appearance.
Will you flower yours together?? Pictures, journal? Please post a link in your signature.
re: GrowLEDHydro 300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
Thank you for the observations and nice compliment PG.
Just between you and me, I learn just as much as everyone else on these grows
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While we await a smoke/taste report, I've a couple observations:
This demonstrates the strain's potential nicely; looks very good.
TRF in hempy is viable.
Good yield for tent size.
The Spectra 300 now looks reasonable for its price.
Once again, I've learned unexpected tricks and refinements on your thread.
Thank you, Setting Sun
Thank you for the observations and nice compliment PG.
Just between you and me, I learn just as much as everyone else on these grows
.
re: GrowLEDHydro 300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
I had no intention or plan to do any of this stuff when I started lurking here a while back. Was going to pick up some quick info and pointers on growing and be on my way, but things didn't quite pan out that way, lol.
The buzz that PPP most reminds me of is the Thai stick that would occasionally come around back in the day. Has a very similar powerful and long-lasting cerebral high, and that could be because South African and southeast Asian strains can be high in THCV.
"THCV is found in largest quantities in Cannabis sativa subsp. sativa strains. Some varieties that produce propyl cannabinoids in significant amounts, over five percent of total cannabinoids, have been found in plants from South Africa, Nigeria, Afghanistan, India, Pakistan and Nepal with THCV as high as 53.69% of total cannabinoids.[1] They usually have moderate to high levels of both THC and Cannabidiol (CBD) and hence have a complex cannabinoid chemistry representing some of the world's most exotic cannabis varieties.[2]"
All I know is it's da kine
Wow, simply amazing Mr. Sun... you'd be amazed at how often this grow is referenced on other sites... 420 Magazine looks very good compared to the competition with growers like you doing comparisons like this... much better signal to noise ratio if you know what I mean... Hat's off to you and the staff at 420 for supporting growers like you.
-SB
(edit) Can't wait for the smoke report!! I find PPP to be a great reminder of the old school buzz...
I had no intention or plan to do any of this stuff when I started lurking here a while back. Was going to pick up some quick info and pointers on growing and be on my way, but things didn't quite pan out that way, lol.
The buzz that PPP most reminds me of is the Thai stick that would occasionally come around back in the day. Has a very similar powerful and long-lasting cerebral high, and that could be because South African and southeast Asian strains can be high in THCV.
"THCV is found in largest quantities in Cannabis sativa subsp. sativa strains. Some varieties that produce propyl cannabinoids in significant amounts, over five percent of total cannabinoids, have been found in plants from South Africa, Nigeria, Afghanistan, India, Pakistan and Nepal with THCV as high as 53.69% of total cannabinoids.[1] They usually have moderate to high levels of both THC and Cannabidiol (CBD) and hence have a complex cannabinoid chemistry representing some of the world's most exotic cannabis varieties.[2]"
All I know is it's da kine
re: GrowLEDHydro 300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
hmmm, never thought of pointing the IR gadget directly at the light. I'll do it later today and get back to you.
I'm sure that having the circulation fan blowing straight up at the panel is going to produce a significantly lower reading, in addition to extending its lifespan.
I'll take a reading with the circulation fan on and off.
thanks phil
hmmm, never thought of pointing the IR gadget directly at the light. I'll do it later today and get back to you.
I'm sure that having the circulation fan blowing straight up at the panel is going to produce a significantly lower reading, in addition to extending its lifespan.
I'll take a reading with the circulation fan on and off.
thanks phil
re: GrowLEDHydro 300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
I think LED buds may take a little longer to dry and cure, but nothing that would seem to require a different curing approach or method. I suspect that LED plants have a higher percentage of water in their tissues due to being exposed to less radiant heat, which has a drying effect.
yep, the garage is still standing despite the blasphemy, lol
IMO, dense and thick stems are always a good thing as they provide a solid structure and foundation for holding lots of bud mass.
What causes waste are *long* stems that don't fill in with flowers.
I think LED buds may take a little longer to dry and cure, but nothing that would seem to require a different curing approach or method. I suspect that LED plants have a higher percentage of water in their tissues due to being exposed to less radiant heat, which has a drying effect.
Well, if I had to select a winner based on the above data...
I'd say Setting Sun, you sir are the winner, hands down!
yep, the garage is still standing despite the blasphemy, lol
IMO, dense and thick stems are always a good thing as they provide a solid structure and foundation for holding lots of bud mass.
What causes waste are *long* stems that don't fill in with flowers.
re: GrowLEDHydro 300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
Thanks Marley
The way I see it, if it helps and encourages even one person to grow their own meds, the journal has been a success and all my work worthwhile.
alas, it seems my research must continue as the cure progresses.
there's just no rest for the weary, lol
as far as my enthusiasm for growing and smoke report research waning, I wouldn't bet on it, but I do appreciate your offer to help out
thanks BD!
glad your google search LED you here, gravy
and 
for registering to say thanks! These types of comments after one of these grows makes doing them worthwhile for me .
thank you for the support and encouragement, BootUmAll!
thank you sisco, this grow left me with a much better feeling towards LED's also. So much so, that one of the main reasons I want to enclose my grow room and reduce its volume is so I can manage cold temps more easily and use LED's to grow not just during the warmer months, but all year-round.
This GLH panel is a pleasure to grow with, and I don't think it's going to have much downtime in the future unless I'm doing a comparison that doesn't include LED's.
I keep telling that to Mrs. Sun, but she still makes me take the trash out.
seriously though, if I'm going to be known for something, I'd be very happy with it being for growing cannabis, because I believe very strongly in the medicinal value of this wonderful herb.
what attracted me to 420mag as opposed to other grow forums, is the relative lack of flaming and fighting, which allows us to focus on the subject at hand.
The downside to that is that it requires a tremendous amount of work and dedication from the admin and mods to keep things that way, and it's a very thankless job.
It really helps when members become familiar with the forum guidelines and report problem posts, so I'd encourage members to do so, and also to keep in mind that the mods are volunteers with a very tough and thankless job, so whatever we can do to make their job easier is very appreciated.
glad you're here gravy
the Internet has dramatically changed access to information, and the ability to network like this with other growers, discuss issues, post pics, etc., is bar none, the *best* way to learn the ins and outs of growing this herb.
You can't get this anywhere else. You could pay good money to sit in a classroom and learn from some opinionated pedant, but then you wouldn't have the option to say..... "this SS dude is completely full of it, and I'm going to check out another journal".
Experimental and routine grows, personal experience, documented results, all freely shared. What a difference from when I was growing in the 70's and 80's with some crappy early book on growing that sucked.
thank you BlueDog
Thanks Irish!
with all the things that can go wrong with a grow, I'm always grateful when another one is in the bag, and especially when I know others are following along and possibly using the info to make important decisions.
This grow also answered my questions about LED's, so it was successful for me from that standpoint, and the 13oz of PPP wasn't too shabby either.
thanks again bro
luck is what happens when you do your homework.
barring things outside of your control, I'd bet you'll do just fine bro
It was, huh? I had a blast and I'm glad others enjoyed the ride!
the Setting Sun is back in port and in the yard for restoration, repairs and improvements, but I'm already itching to pull anchor and hoist the sails again.
Awesome SS both the HID and LED buds look great.
Have never tried PPP myself, but it sounds right up my alley. Enjoy your top shelf meds! Thanks again for doing all of this. I can't imagine how many people you have helped out with this comparison grow.
Marley
Thanks Marley
The way I see it, if it helps and encourages even one person to grow their own meds, the journal has been a success and all my work worthwhile
.Great reports SS thank you! I've now added PPP to my list, it sounds perfect.
I have to commend you for your dedication to researching the smoke reports. If your enthusiasm ever wanes and you need an intern to fill in just give me a call
alas, it seems my research must continue as the cure progresses.
there's just no rest for the weary, lol
as far as my enthusiasm for growing and smoke report research waning, I wouldn't bet on it, but I do appreciate your offer to help out
thanks BD!
glad your google search LED you here, gravy
and for registering to say thanks! These types of comments after one of these grows makes doing them worthwhile for me .
thank you for the support and encouragement, BootUmAll!
Wow man, that was a great report. Leaves me with a much better feeling towards LED.
Excellent job with the journal, very much deserves it's rating. Congrats and hope to learn some more from you in the future.
thank you sisco, this grow left me with a much better feeling towards LED's also. So much so, that one of the main reasons I want to enclose my grow room and reduce its volume is so I can manage cold temps more easily and use LED's to grow not just during the warmer months, but all year-round.
This GLH panel is a pleasure to grow with, and I don't think it's going to have much downtime in the future unless I'm doing a comparison that doesn't include LED's.
i've been doing some more poking around here and i think i might stay awhilethis place is GREAT! checked out Setting Sun's other LED comparison and it was amazing also. YOU A ARE LEGEND SS!
I keep telling that to Mrs. Sun, but she still makes me take the trash out
.seriously though, if I'm going to be known for something, I'd be very happy with it being for growing cannabis, because I believe very strongly in the medicinal value of this wonderful herb.
Can't wait to see all the great info thats being shared around here, vibes great too!
I haven't been doing any growing since i was teen in the OG days and i'm starting up again now, haven't found a place i really like yet but 420 mag looks like a good place to call home
thanks for making me feel real welcome
what attracted me to 420mag as opposed to other grow forums, is the relative lack of flaming and fighting, which allows us to focus on the subject at hand.
The downside to that is that it requires a tremendous amount of work and dedication from the admin and mods to keep things that way, and it's a very thankless job.
It really helps when members become familiar with the forum guidelines and report problem posts, so I'd encourage members to do so, and also to keep in mind that the mods are volunteers with a very tough and thankless job, so whatever we can do to make their job easier is very appreciated.
glad you're here gravy
Welcome to 420 Gravy! SS certainly deserves to be a legend, he's done great work not just growing but helping the rest of us with all our questions and ahem great ideas.
We're blessed with quite a few great growers here, and they're also great teachers and helpers.
the Internet has dramatically changed access to information, and the ability to network like this with other growers, discuss issues, post pics, etc., is bar none, the *best* way to learn the ins and outs of growing this herb.
You can't get this anywhere else. You could pay good money to sit in a classroom and learn from some opinionated pedant, but then you wouldn't have the option to say..... "this SS dude is completely full of it, and I'm going to check out another journal".
Experimental and routine grows, personal experience, documented results, all freely shared. What a difference from when I was growing in the 70's and 80's with some crappy early book on growing that sucked.
thank you BlueDog
Thanks Irish!
with all the things that can go wrong with a grow, I'm always grateful when another one is in the bag, and especially when I know others are following along and possibly using the info to make important decisions.
This grow also answered my questions about LED's, so it was successful for me from that standpoint, and the 13oz of PPP wasn't too shabby either
.thanks again bro
luck is what happens when you do your homework.
barring things outside of your control, I'd bet you'll do just fine bro
Thanks for the smoke report, final round of pictures and of course this whole great journal. I had fun following along and I'm not even a candidate to buy an LED or a HPS.
Fabulous journey! Thanks!
Ditto. Twas a Most Excellent adventure.
It was, huh? I had a blast and I'm glad others enjoyed the ride!
the Setting Sun is back in port and in the yard for restoration, repairs and improvements, but I'm already itching to pull anchor and hoist the sails again
.
re: GrowLEDHydro 300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
Those are called rose pots or rose buckets, and they're 1.75 gal.
They're tallish for their volume, and so very good for growing MJ, with lots of space for air-specialized roots.
They can be a little bit tippier than squatter containers, however, so if you're a clumsy mofo, and I'm speaking generally, not addressing you here specifically Go, might be better to go with something more stable.
Those are called rose pots or rose buckets, and they're 1.75 gal.
They're tallish for their volume, and so very good for growing MJ, with lots of space for air-specialized roots.
They can be a little bit tippier than squatter containers, however, so if you're a clumsy mofo, and I'm speaking generally, not addressing you here specifically Go, might be better to go with something more stable
.
re: GrowLEDHydro 300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
The smell will come back and get better and better as the cure progresses and the chlorophyll dissipates.
The guidelines that were posted are meant to be used with small hygrometers that you place inside the jars to track the humidity of the buds, and if you're not using the little meters inside the jars, it's kind of risky to jar your buds before the stems snap.
You don't want to dry them too fast or slow the cure down so much that you get mold, which I why I like using the little meters, but if I didn't use them, I'd let my buds dry after harvesting until the stems snap cleanly or are very close to that level of dryness before putting them in jars.
both looks great man, can def tell the led is more trichs than the hid. but both great. good job
would u be able to throw a lil knowledge my way in dryin and curing. tried postin on my thread but no takers. so i got a box a lined it with shoe string so i can hang he buds inside. had to put a humidfier by it, so its 43% most of time, temps are 65-71. is this ok?
buds are starting to get crispy on the outside, still pretty moist in middle. stems, well one snapped but not clean off and all others, nearly there but still flimsy.
what im getting worried about is the smell. hwere did it go? lol. it was there before but now seems like it is fading away and is just giving off sort of like a tomato fresh plant smell. unless i sqeeze a nug and smell my fingers then it smells really nice. will the good smell come out more once i start curing in a glass jar, and since it is drying it is getting rid of all this plant smell out? im just confused and lil worried im gonna have dank lookin nug but beester smellin weed. any info/ help will be awesome.
The smell will come back and get better and better as the cure progresses and the chlorophyll dissipates.
The guidelines that were posted are meant to be used with small hygrometers that you place inside the jars to track the humidity of the buds, and if you're not using the little meters inside the jars, it's kind of risky to jar your buds before the stems snap.
You don't want to dry them too fast or slow the cure down so much that you get mold, which I why I like using the little meters, but if I didn't use them, I'd let my buds dry after harvesting until the stems snap cleanly or are very close to that level of dryness before putting them in jars.