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Propa Gator said:
Coco may very well 'break down', my moms don't last but 4 or 5 months in 3.5" pots. So what? I can put 18 of these in a tray, and they're easy to make. Residual concern with genetic 'breakdown' or 'dilutution'? Fugedaboutit, neva hoppen. It's not a generational thing; this is continuous life of one plant divided by 'immaculate conception' with a knife. 8 or 11 in a tray is normal. If I've let them get too big and they don't fit: prune or replace.
While dumpster diving an ancient window fan for my meter tent, I tossed a half sack of FFOF in. Useless and aggravating aggregate.
I've heard of 15 yrs with one mom. Why?
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Ok, cool.

Although it's gone well, I'm still a noob at cloning, so not considering all the possibilities.

Thanks for the insight on the falsehood of "generational" thinking, because it's easy to think of it that way.

15 years? wow.

I read an article on bonsai moms where to refresh the mom, the grower would trim the rootball way down with a serrated knife, basically leaving about 50% of the original root mass, and transplant into the same size container with fresh soil.

He kept them going for years too.
 
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Got the Tek Four T5 set up in the HID tent temporarily.

Clones are loving it, so I'm happy ;).
 
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I've been thinking they're a little on the light green side too, and I've only been giving them 1/2 strength nutes, so I think I'll go up to full-strength on the next feeding.

Or it could be the strain too, cause I've never grown it before, but overall, I think they need more food.
 
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Setting Sun said:
I've been thinking they're a little on the light green side too, and I've only been giving them 1/2 strength nutes, so I think I'll go up to full-strength on the next feeding.

Or it could be the strain too, cause I've never grown it before, but overall, I think they need more food.
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ya seems like their lacking N or something? ive never seen a strain lite green like that in my time. dosent mean theirs not one.. but i would be its from being under feed.
 
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The moms I grew out from seed are also on the light green side when it comes to color, so it may be somewhat strain-related, but I'll go up on the N and see how it goes.

They're very healthy clones in general, and soaking all the new lumens in.
 
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Those clones look great. Nice purchase w/the T5, 20K Lumens right?
 
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Thanks Green007 ;)

BTW, did you decide on a strain for your grow? I just couldn't come up with something specific other than a good hybrid, of which there are dozens, so wondering if you had come up with one.

The 4-tube T5 I just got has 20K lumens, yes.
 
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Not yet, lol. But I have narrowed it down to 5. I need to make up my mind, I want to start at the end of the month. ;)

White Widow, L * D, AK47 x NL, G13 Haze, Jack 47

So hard to chose, I may just pick 2. :)

Keep us updated if you see much heat off your new T5, just curious, I just turned mine on to see if it worked and haven't set it up yet. And will probably wait to do it until I have to!
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Lots of great strains.

Being a haze fan, the G13 Haze would be on my list, but there's no losers up there, lol.

The new 220w T5 runs about 1/2 degree F hotter than the Spectra 300w, but can't make direct comparison because the ventilation in the currently 220w T5 tent is much less efficient than the *much* shorter and more direct run in the LED tent.

I didn't want to disconnect all the duct in the HID tent to put the T5 in there temporarily, so I just connected both long flexible runs at the bottom with an elbow. I'm surprised there isn't more difference between the tents. Holding my hand in front of the fans, the T5 side does feel a little down from the LED side, but not as much as I would expect. Using a 6" hood, 6" duct, and 6"-4" adapters at the filter and fan made a huge difference in flow.

I'd like to spend a little time (as if I had any) some lazy afternoon playing in my tents with some of this stuff:

Amazon: GE Security Smoke!-In-A-Can (Canned Smoke For Smoke Detector Testing)

I'm pretty sure that airflow doesn't always go the way I expect/assume it will.
 
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They were hungry Irish ;) I fed them with full-strength FF Grow Big Hydro at 2tsp per gallon, PH'd down to 5.8, and they greened up. I probably should have started with full-strength nutes because coco coir is a soilless medium, but it's a new medium for me and I'd rather add some more than have to deal with too much. I'm liking the coco. It's just amazing how much water it retains and yet aerates as well as it does.

Whatever investment I have to make in learning it's ins-&-outs is worth it as far as I'm concerned.

the stuff does look like you shaved a wookie, but the girls are diggin' it ;).

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This is the second set of clones that went straight into coco. They all seem rooted, confirmed by gentle tug.


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The mom wasn't happy at all with the oldschool 50w red/blue LED panels. Makes me think of something TL mentioned recently about only newer leaves having the ability to adapt to a different light source.

I put a 65w LOA security 6500k CFL in the cab, and she's doing great under that. I should have taken another set of cuts by now, but been too busy and/or tired, so will have to be this weekend. She's such a nice plant. I keep wondering what she would look like if I flipped her. Guess I'm not used to long-term relationships, lol.

Next update I'll feature my kitchen cloner ;).
 
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thats funny before i seen ur post i was just thinking shit is it just me or did they get allot greener? they look just right now. ya since theirs no nutes in coco you have to feed heavy sooner then you would, ive had to adapt to that using SS#4..

Do worry soon i will be right their with you investing money to learn about coco also.. i am going with it for sure. i might do 6 with coco and maybe a few more with something els, not sure what? any ideas kick them down my way.:thumb:
 
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They were hungry Irish ;) I fed them
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Hungry girls get sexy when you feed them = Win/Win
I'm liking the coco. It's just amazing how much water it retains and yet aerates as well as it does.
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You can't drown the roots so long as your drain doesn't clog,
and all the water is available in times of drought :) Wookie barber shop sweepings.
TL mentioned recently about only newer leaves having the ability to adapt to a different light source.
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If I take rooted starts out from under T8 shoplights and put them next to a CMH,
the leaves will give up the green to younger, more capable fan leaves. They turn yellow. Then die

Acclimatization is required, and patience.
 
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IrishBoy said:
thats funny before i seen ur post i was just thinking shit is it just me or did they get allot greener? they look just right now. ya since theirs no nutes in coco you have to feed heavy sooner then you would, ive had to adapt to that using SS#4..

Do worry soon i will be right their with you investing money to learn about coco also.. i am going with it for sure. i might do 6 with coco and maybe a few more with something els, not sure what? any ideas kick them down my way.:thumb:
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The setup for the grow is coming together in my head.

Hempy (the person), is using hydroton in the bottom up to the hole, and pure coco above the hole. He said the coco had problems draining without the hydroton. I don't understand why, but I'll take his word for it.
 
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Propa Gator said:
Hungry girls get sexy when you feed them = Win/Win

You can't drown the roots so long as your drain doesn't clog,
and all the water is available in times of drought :) Wookie barber shop sweepings.
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yep, I'm finding it very flexible as regards watering. I'm hoping a 10-liter Hempy bucket will go at least 3-4 days with a plant in bloom.

If I take rooted starts out from under T8 shoplights and put them next to a CMH,
the leaves will give up the green to younger, more capable fan leaves. They turn yellow. Then die

Acclimatization is required, and patience.
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I'm learning to ramp things up slowly and patiently with my cuttings and rooted clones. They stress very easily.

thanks Gator ;)
 
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I love bubble cloners... Nice...

SS that simple bubble setup will root your girls nicely.
 
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Setting Sun said:
The setup for the grow is coming together in my head.

Hempy (the person), is using hydroton in the bottom up to the hole, and pure coco above the hole. He said the coco had problems draining without the hydroton. I don't understand why, but I'll take his word for it.
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actually i was just thinking the same thing. seems it would get water log and not let water pass threw the hole IMO. CoCo holds air/water good but when its just sitting in water its just gonna sponge up water IMO and get all packed together and be a big mess.. If you have some CoCo still left maybe it would be a good idea to see how it reacts sitting in water without draining.. IDK bro but my gut feeling says its not gonna be a good idea to do Hempy this way.. i know i am not going to try it. seems like their will be alot less issues using hydroton or perlite on the bottom in the res, then coco on top of the res.

i have no idea this is just what my mind is telling me whats gonna happen, but ive never used coco before so i am just guessing on this.

well is ur little clone containers Hempy? is so how do their drain with the coco? if not maybe trying a little Hempy style cup and see how it drains with pure coco would help us understand why their should be hydroton in the res. but i would think its gonna sponge up and be water log
 
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help us understand why their should be hydroton in the res
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Why indeed? Coco coir cannot plug a drainage hole, only slow it down.

A 10 qt bucket of wet coir will keep a 32" flowering plant hydrated for a week!
Problem with a big bucket of coir is compression from the weight of water.
Perhaps a 50/50 homogenous mix; a matrix of hydroton, with coir filling the interstices. :idea:
 
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