300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration

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bmarduk said:
Infrared light is heat, heat is radiation in the IR portion of the EMS. [elektromagnetikradiation] They are one and the same, and that's why I hate HPS, even enhanced spectrum. Very inefficient in terms of PAR and heat management is a bitch. Your fence was not only reflecting in the IR, it was radiating in it also. The fence being dark, absorbs the IR that it doesn't reflect, so it is a very efficient heater. CMH rocks, my two 400 W will still produce more PAR than a 1000 kW ES HPS and less heat. More radiant energy in the visible range, less in the IR, ergo, more lumens/watt in PAR, less in IR than a HPS. If you want to guinea pig a couple of seeds, plant two next to the fence, one with panda film behind it, one without. If your location in the yard gives best exposure to the ecliptic [path of the Sun], then that's where you want to grow, just need to tweek it.
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Gotcha. I think I'll just start by painting it white. That should be an improvement. In addition to that location being the best sun-wise, I also need to keep the plants fairly close to the fence so my dogs can chase each other on the cement and wear their nails down;).





The rebar is 6" off the hard deck, they had to be tied to the bar with green tape every couple of days, a lot of work but that little patch will produce. My growing partner [30+ years] is an artistic construction worker, always thinking outside of box, kinda like the Gator. I told him that he'd be better off planting a bunch of 5 gal pots in June, but, he's impatient and had to get seeds in the ground in March. That same space could have been maxed out had he done as suggested, he gets that now after all of the work. He did wait to plant the FrankenWeed in June [only because I didn't cut loose with the seeds 'till then], but luck of the lottery, he got my monster seed. This is the plant that he stomped, but the next morning she was all perky and happy?!? Since I randomized his ten seeds, we also got a FrankenMale, I popped all of the lower flowers, 4 heads only and the biggest cluster of male flowers that I have ever seen, we will keep this strain as it is the most robust cannabis that I have ever seen.
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you sure that training sativas 6" off the deck was his idea? ;)
 
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Clones are doing well. Soil (coco) temps are up to 90 at the very bottom of the pots with the heating mat, and the clones seem to like it. I should be receiving the new T5 light early this coming week, so I'll set them up under that.

Had a couple of white flies flitting around in the garage, so I'm using a NPS to protect the clones until I can get them out of the open and into their own grow space. I've decided to convert one of my garage storage cabinets into a moms/clones cab, as I plan to continue to grow mostly from clones for a while as opposed to seed.

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These are the two flowering clones from Vicky that are back in veg. I've though of growing one out in each tent for the comparison in addition to the PPP clones, but I've also thought of keeping them as bonsai moms, so not sure what I'll do with them. Realistically, I'll probably wind up with at *most* 3 plants per tent, so it would be one Sunset Kush and two PPP plants per tent. Not sure if adding the subset would be more useful statistically than just having a PPP set of 3-4 vs 2.

I also have PPP clones from two different moms, so we could start with two of each in each tent. I dunno, my head hurts, lol.



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This PPP clone threw an alternating node in it's new growth since rooting, so I thought that was cool. A little shout out to mom ;).

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The above cutting was dying. I've had 2 clones in the first set and 2 clones in the second set of PPP's that started to die soon after being cut. Just lost their turgor and started drooping over. I've managed to salvage all of them by gently pulling them back out, re-cutting them, and sticking them back in. I'm guessing these were all cases of air embolism, so re-cutting them the next day salvaged all of them. They start gaining turgor and looking perky just a few hours later.

The "straight-into-coco" cloning method seems to be a winner for me also. I didn't use any rooting powder or gel, just stuck em in there. I've been giving them seaweed extract and a little B1, then adding 1/2 strength FF Grow Big Hydro at 1tsp per gallon, when they root and show new growth. Just using straight tap water with the coco and so far so good. A coco hempy with a CRF for nutes and tap water would sure be efficient.

OK, enough blathering ;).

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Your going to have more work than you know what to do with SS if you keep it up at this rate. lol

Looks great bro!!! Cloning is cake! And you CAN eat it, too!

-Go
 
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Best clones I've ever seen.
You sir, are a gifted grower.
 
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I'm not sure if I retained all of it but I read this entire thread tonight. I'm in for the rest of the ride. Everyone here is great. I think if people read what I have in the last couple of hours they would have a different view and maybe some respect for people using this God given gift. The knowledge coming out of these journals could be compared to something coming out of Scientific America or something. You guys are incredible. Unbelievable job SS.
 
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go green said:
Your going to have more work than you know what to do with SS if you keep it up at this rate. lol

Looks great bro!!! Cloning is cake! And you CAN eat it, too!

-Go
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Growing is a labor of love, so I just need enough love to keep things going ;).

A significant part of that love comes from the membership here at 420mag, so I appreciate it, along with all the positive energy.

and cloning a plant is not something I take for granted. It may not mean much to some, and certainly there is a perfectly reasonable and rational scientific explanation, but creating copies of plants is quite miraculous to me.

The other thing I really like about doing my own cloning is that I know for certain that the clones I use for experimental and comparison grows are from the same mom and genetically identical.

thanks Go ;)



Green007 said:
Clones look great SS! :)
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thank you brother grower ;).

DocBud said:
Best clones I've ever seen.
You sir, are a gifted grower.
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thanks buddy ;).
 
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molotov said:
I'm not sure if I retained all of it but I read this entire thread tonight. I'm in for the rest of the ride. Everyone here is great. I think if people read what I have in the last couple of hours they would have a different view and maybe some respect for people using this God given gift. The knowledge coming out of these journals could be compared to something coming out of Scientific America or something. You guys are incredible. Unbelievable job SS.
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thanks for reading through molotov. Prolly a good thing you got caught up now, as I have a feeling there's going to be a whole lot more pages by the time the fat lady sings ;).

The people here really are a singularly amazing group of folks.

then again, we gather around a singularly amazing plant.

glad you're along for the rest of the ride, molotov, it should be a good one ;).
 
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Clones're lookin' good in that coco, mate! Nice to see them propa gatin'. After messin' with domes and misters, this way seems almost too easy. No Droopy Dogs in that bunch!

A good companion to Hempy, that. Drill a damn hole and grow a damn clone! :smokin: Takes away the last excuse of Seeders afraid o' killin' their plants...

bmarduk said:
That's because it's got American Scientists,
journeyman weedwackers, and the madly skilled working on it...
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Mad American Wackers, eh? Sounds like some sort of Union... Watch out, or the MAWs'll git ya! :) Support your local MAW#428!

Are there benefits and paid vacation with that? Sign me up!

bmarduk said:
...[7 of 9, if you need the work, I'll be needing a trimmer in a couple of weeks.]
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Afraid she'll have to ditch that silver catsuit...security risk in the trim room, 'n all... ;)

bmarduk said:
Congratulations on your genetic resurrection, not so easy to do. Look at the size of the buds!...Look at the size of the buds!...These are unique genetics, Look at the size of the buds!
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Teachin' the students through repetition, eh b? A tried 'n true method, to be sure...
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That's what I like about you guys...always cloning around! :grinjoint:

:bravo:
 
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bmarduk said:
Congratulations on your genetic resurrection, not so easy to do. Look at the size of the buds! Think about how you felt when you realized that the VKs were gone forever. Look at the size of the buds! You should make both of these cuttings into bonsai moms, mothers can and sometimes do, die. I just put my xtra moms [blue dream, la confidential, Angie X jamaican, PK, etc] out to pasture at "The Farm" but not until my primary moms were 'too big to fail.' These are unique genetics, Look at the size of the buds! You gotta keep this line going [unless it tastes like cat piss and doesn't get you buzzed]

Question for ya Sun. When you pick up and move the pots, do the colas sway madly back and forth when you move them? I know those stix were massive before bud building, but those look scary heavy to my eye. Everyone should have this issue.;)

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Propa Gator said:
What he ^ said: "Look at the size of the buds".
I agree, you'll have cause for regret if you don't keep this genetic treasure.
Bonsai!
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OK, I'm convinced. I'll do my best to keep both of them as moms. The preliminary smoke test was favorable :).


The only branches I've had to brace were two lower branches on Vicky that took off at an acute angle and were more cantilevered and stressed. They started drooping lower and lower, and it was obvious they were going to snap if I didn't brace them, but other than that, they are holding their own, so to speak. Shrub is more compact and didn't need any bracing.

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I've noticed that when you LST and stress the main stem, the side branches form these "knuckles" where they originate. The main stem thickens in response to the stress, and the side branches are affected in a positive way also.

The whole structure seems to benefit from LST.
 
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The Lurker said:
Clones're lookin' good in that coco, mate! Nice to see them propa gatin'. After messin' with domes and misters, this way seems almost too easy. No Droopy Dogs in that bunch!

A good companion to Hempy, that. Drill a damn hole and grow a damn clone! :smokin: Takes away the last excuse of Seeders afraid o' killin' their plants...
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I'm learning as I go, but cloning isn't as difficult or mysterious as I had imagined. The next set of PPP cuts will be cloned using a third completely different method, however, because I want to try something else.
 
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I got the Tek 4 T5 yesterday, but this is the clones under my Tek 2 T5. I think they've graduated from being clones into plantlets ;). I think I'm going to have to LST them before they go in the tents, but based on bel's suggestion, I'm going to bury about half of the stem when I transplant them, so maybe I can mediate their height that way.

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This was the very top of the PPP mom that died from the stem rot.

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The remaining PPP mom, now side-lit with two 50w oldschool LED panels. I don't have to worry now about her growing into the lights and getting burned, and she seems to like it. Not sure if this will be a permanent thing, but it's working for now.
 
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I'll do my best to keep both of them as moms
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All you need is a couple of cuttings stuck in coco. Plants won't even know you took them! Question is: do you want to flower these two now? Beaucoup or few cuttings taken now can be flowered in a few weeks, or be made moms: maiden moms ;)
 
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Propa Gator said:
All you need is a couple of cuttings stuck in coco. Plants won't even know you took them! Question is: do you want to flower these two now? Beaucoup or few cuttings taken now can be flowered in a few weeks, or be made moms: maiden moms ;)
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options, options.

If I flower them, it has to be both of them, and since they're clones of Vicky, they're going to take up a lot of horizontal space with LST. I don't want to crowd the PPP like that, because that's the primary strain on this grow.

I think I'll keep both of them as moms, but I gotta question. I've read that coco coir is not a good medium for keeping moms because it breaks down or changes in some way that makes it not a good choice for long-term mom keepage.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on that, because if that's the case, I would transplant them into soil rather than more coco. I may have no choice but to keep them in those 5" pots with coco anyway, cause these need to be bonsai moms.
 
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I think I'll keep both of them as moms, but I gotta question. I've read that coco coir is not a good medium for keeping moms because it breaks down or changes in some way that makes it not a good choice for long-term mom keepage.
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Coco may very well 'break down', my moms don't last but 4 or 5 months in 3.5" pots. So what? I can put 18 of these in a tray, and they're easy to make. Residual concern with genetic 'breakdown' or 'dilutution'? Fugedaboutit, neva hoppen. It's not a generational thing; this is continuous life of one plant divided by 'immaculate conception' with a knife. 8 or 11 in a tray is normal. If I've let them get too big and they don't fit: prune or replace.
While dumpster diving an ancient window fan for my meter tent, I tossed a half sack of FFOF in. Useless and aggravating aggregate.
I've heard of 15 yrs with one mom. Why?
 
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bmarduk said:
If you don't plan on using rooting hormone when you bury them, clip the leaves and side buds [if applicable] a day ahead to let the wound callous. If you're using powder, clip it fresh and hit the whole stem with powder. I'd use Dip'n'grow or nothing, the liquid has both NAA and IBA and that's what helps in rooting. These will already have developed roots, adventitious rooting will happen if the stems don't rot, water as normal and you'll get xtra roots

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I've got this stuff called "Olivia's Cloning Gel", but I've never used it.

"if the stems don't rot"

that's doesn't inspire confidence, lol
 
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