300w LED - Sunset Kush

[dogsnova]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

it must be a certain spectrum or NM that makes the plant use up more Cal/Mag. i always get one in flowering, but always thought it was my nutes or PH, until now, but then their are still some members using these lights that i haven't seen or heard of them getting a cal/mag def. i will have to ask around but some are already a 3 or 4 weeks into bloom and seem good. so thats kinda odd.

Yes, we have another strain that is flowering under these LED's and she isn't getting a cal/mag def.. The strain is also not that good...

So I would say it's just like everything else... It's strain dependant...

 

[IrishBoy]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Yes, we have another strain that is flowering under these LED's and she isn't getting a cal/mag def.. The strain is also not that good...

So I would say it's just like everything else... It's strain dependant...

yup the famous words "strain dependent" some strains are cal/mad whores, maybe its a different PH when growing with leds? or maybe i am just high as hell?lol

 

[dogsnova]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

I wish I had the answer bro...

 

[Setting Sun]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

I had the light at 9-10", and the plants stretched/swelled 1-2" overnight, so that when the light came on yesterday, it was at 8" and caused some bleaching.

Caught it before they got burned too bad, and increased my feel for what the limits are, so it's all good.

Plants are doing great otherwise, and I now have the light at 12-14", which seems to be the sweet spot for this grow. Good coverage and intensity at that height.

 

[The Lurker]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Sorry to hear about your stem rot issues, SS. Too bad you can't just cut and re-root the main stem hydroponically (too big, I know) instead of having to take cuttings. At least these girls are doing well...

If this turns out to be some kind of LED idiosyncrasy, it could be one of those things that on the surface seem negative, but that smart people in white coats might be able to exploit somehow once they find out what's at play.

As long as those white coats aren't straightjackets--!

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If that's true it certainly seems like a good problem to have. That would suggest the Cal/Mag fixation within cell structures is occurring faster than the nutrient solution or CRF (OC+, etc.) can provide it. That will definitely be a different rate depending on the strain involved. Have to do more tests with the same strain/ferts and comparable LED/HID light levels to see if there's a discernable pattern.

Calcium (Ca) resides mainly in plant leaves. Calcium is an important element for root development and functioning and is an important constituent of cell walls. It is required for chromosome stability and cell division. Calcium activates several enzyme systems and neutralizes organic acids in plants. Plant growth and fruit yield can be reduced by inadequate Ca supply long before deficiency symptoms become evident.

Magnesium (Mg) is the center of the chlorophyll molecule. It is involved in photosynthesis and plays an important role as an activator of several enzymes. It is also involved in carbohydrate metabolism and synthesis of nucleic acids. Magnesium influences the movement of carbohydrates from the leaves to other parts of the tree and also stimulates P uptake and transport.

Faster rooting and PI/PII creation for flowering (provided you keep pace with the uptake), that'd be cool!

-TL

 

[dogsnova]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

I had the light at 9-10", and the plants stretched/swelled 1-2" overnight, so that when the light came on yesterday, it was at 8" and caused some bleaching.

Yeah I think having my GLH 300w on a track with the light aprox 8 inches away form the canopy is as close as I can get without having bleaching..


Your girls are looking sweet...

 

[IrishBoy]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

sorry to see that SS but at-least its not that bad and you caught it fast. i will say those buds are swelling up nice and fat. its crazy how much they change so fast. i am working on a few things with my grow, i might be on to something? so hopefully i will be joining you with some nice flowering plants?

very impressive bro

 

[go green]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Ah, that sucks SS! I have had that happen to me many SOOOOOO many times!

You caught it early though, so that's good! As you said too, now you know the limits a little better! I am starting to wonder if my seedings are being stunted with the 600, even at 36" away. The other's seem to be kicking ass, at the same height, but they are 10 day old plants too. They kicking ass. I will get some pics up hopefully by the weekend, and a thread going too.

Shit I always do that, sorry dude! Keep us posted on that bleaching situation!

-Go

 

[go green]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Oh, and auto's, lowryder's, whatever you want to call them. They seem to be slightly more sensitive when it comes to the bleaching issue.

That's my experience!

G-o-

 

[IrishBoy]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

yup i agree with you SS bleaching happens somewhere below 9", i know from seeing it with my own eyes right now when i looked at my plants. they were around 8.5" and the top leaves that were under the light were bleached! the ones on the side of the light just fine. good thing i dont have buds to bleach and mess up.

 

[Setting Sun]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Sorry to hear about your stem rot issues, SS. Too bad you can't just cut and re-root the main stem hydroponically (too big, I know) instead of having to take cuttings. At least these girls are doing well...

The other mom is doing well, and branching out nicely, so losing one of the two isn't a total disaster, but I like to counter life's unexpected turns with redundant systems, and being down to one mom decreases my "life buffer" .

Don't like walking the high-wire without a safety net, but it does make things more intense.

As long as those white coats aren't straightjackets--!

it's a fine line, brother

If that's true it certainly seems like a good problem to have. That would suggest the Cal/Mag fixation within cell structures is occurring faster than the nutrient solution or CRF (OC+, etc.) can provide it. That will definitely be a different rate depending on the strain involved. Have to do more tests with the same strain/ferts and comparable LED/HID light levels to see if there's a discernable pattern.

will be interesting to see if that happens or not through the course of the LED/HID grow in the other journal.

Maybe someday we'll have lines of light-specific nutes if there's enough difference to warrant it, and maybe even if there isn't, the bastards, lol

Faster rooting and PI/PII creation for flowering (provided you keep pace with the uptake), that'd be cool!

Not familiar with the term "PI/PII". What's that about?

 

[Setting Sun]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Yeah I think having my GLH 300w on a track with the light aprox 8 inches away form the canopy is as close as I can get without having bleaching..


Your girls are looking sweet...

yep, I think you could cook a hot dog with it stationary at 8", lol

thanks dog!

sorry to see that SS but at-least its not that bad and you caught it fast. i will say those buds are swelling up nice and fat. its crazy how much they change so fast. i am working on a few things with my grow, i might be on to something? so hopefully i will be joining you with some nice flowering plants?

very impressive bro

I hope things get sorted out on your current grow and your girls get busy making up for lost time.

thanks Irish!

Ah, that sucks SS! I have had that happen to me many SOOOOOO many times!

You caught it early though, so that's good! As you said too, now you know the limits a little better! I am starting to wonder if my seedings are being stunted with the 600, even at 36" away. The other's seem to be kicking ass, at the same height, but they are 10 day old plants too. They kicking ass. I will get some pics up hopefully by the weekend, and a thread going too.

Shit I always do that, sorry dude! Keep us posted on that bleaching situation!

-Go

Oh, and auto's, lowryder's, whatever you want to call them. They seem to be slightly more sensitive when it comes to the bleaching issue.

That's my experience!

G-o-

Would love to follow your journal bro, go for it

The two girls I'm growing in this journal now aren't autos. They're a cross I made from some NL/william's wonder pollen I had stored and one of the two Violator Kush plants I finished in my cab on the last grow.

The three lowryders I started this grow with all turned out to be male, although the breeder pack was labeled "fem".

thanks bro

yup i agree with you SS bleaching happens somewhere below 9", i know from seeing it with my own eyes right now when i looked at my plants. they were around 8.5" and the top leaves that were under the light were bleached! the ones on the side of the light just fine. good thing i dont have buds to bleach and mess up.

yup, I'd rather have figured that out without bleaching anything, but at least I caught it before major damage happened.

thanks Irish!

 

[The Lurker]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

...Not familiar with the term "PI/PII". What's that about?

Sorry about that....Photosystem I and II!

-TL

 

[Setting Sun]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Thanks TL!

Not exactly light reading, but I followed as best I could.

Glad I'm able to grow plants without intimate knowledge all the physiological ins-and-outs, but it has to be even more interesting and fun when one does.

 

[go green]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

My bad I was confused!!! Thanks SS!

Hope all turns out well. I have noticed when bleaching does occur, sometimes the top simply stops doing it's thing, even though inches away the middle/upper portion of that top is swelling just fine. It may just be a bit funky when it's all said and done, but really..it's not that bad at all.

Peace bro! I will try to pay more attention.

-Go

 

[Setting Sun]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

The bleaching was really quite minimal except for the first pic in that update, and that was a bud on Shrub that was in the center of the beam.

I don't think it's going to affect yield much, if at all, but it could have been bad.

 

[GrownManHollr]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

The bleaching was really quite minimal except for the first pic in that update, and that was a bud on Shrub that was in the center of the beam.

I don't think it's going to affect yield much, if at all, but it could have been bad.

SS,
Glad to hear that the bleaching's not too bad. Have had this same problem where 3 of my tops popped up a little too close to the light (it's so annoying when they grow like that! ). It seems like only it's only the leaves that were burned. The buds themselves appear to be unaffected .

The bud action on those girls looks REALLY nice. You've gotta name this strain SS! I'm thinkin' maybe "Setting Sun's Habitual Violator".

 

[Doc Bud]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

it must be a certain spectrum or NM that makes the plant use up more Cal/Mag. i always get one in flowering, but always thought it was my nutes or PH, until now, but then their are still some members using these lights that i haven't seen or heard of them getting a cal/mag def. i will have to ask around but some are already a 3 or 4 weeks into bloom and seem good. so thats kinda odd.

Hmmm....

It could be exactly as you say above.

However, I suspect---merely a hypothesis---that the plant isn't using MORE Ca/Mg....but that for some reason it isn't able to uptake enough.

The reason is that under HID you don't get the symptoms. The minerals are present in the medium, so it isn't a "deficiency" so much as an inability by the plant to assimilate.

Again, merely a guess.

I am looking eagerly at the comparison grow to see how this pans out....if it does.

 

[Setting Sun]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

hehehe, I hadn't even thought of a strain name, but I like "Habitual Violator"

I took Vicky out yesterday to get a good look at her, check for bugs, etc., and there's just a hint of the VK earthiness in her smell, but it's a more complex and spicy aroma. Smells like it's going to be tasty .

The buds themselves did get some bleaching, but that seems to be getting covered with new growth and it might not even be visible in a few more days.

Both ladies are looking nice.

Shrub's widened out quite a bit, and is still smaller with one week less veg time, but looks like she might surprise me .

I really think we should change the "LR2" in the title of the grow to "Habitual Violator"

What you think Soniq?

I'll take some pics tonight and update.

thanks friends

 

[The Lurker]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

...You've gotta name this strain SS! I'm thinkin' maybe "Setting Sun's Habitual Violator".

Sure, let's have our resident consumer reporter sound like a child molester wearing an ankle bracelet--! They'll make him register with LEO whenever he moves to a new town...

-TL