300w LED - Sunset Kush

[Doc Bud]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

wow thats just amazing bro the girls are looking great and look to finish real strong. for only using OC+ and a 300w led unit. once we get things dialed in its gonna be crazy to see what these lights can do? Imagen having CO2 added? man i cant wait until i get these things dialed in.

it would be so cool if OC+ would work without PH'ed. its a pain to PH the water

It just depends on the water.....

In your case, SS, why not just add a pinch of epsom salt?

 

[dogsnova]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Hey Doc I got a question for you if you don't mind...Sorry to but in SS.... My hydro bubble LED setup has a Cal/Mag deficiency.. How good is Epsom salt for a cal/mag issue? My leaves show a lot more then sun's dose. If I had to guess I would say my deficiency is at the very least double of what I see here..

Here's something else.. Under my 400w HPS I see no trace of a cal/mag deficiency. For some reason it just happens under LED. Any idea what causes this?

Will Epsom salt work for a moderate to big cal/mag deficiency or should I look into getting something else?


Thanks for your opinion...

 

[IrishBoy]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Hey Doc I got a question for you if you don't mind...Sorry to but in SS.... My hydro bubble LED setup has a Cal/Mag deficiency.. How good is Epsom salt for a cal/mag issue? My leaves show a lot more then sun's dose. If I had to guess I would say my deficiency is at the very least double of what I see here..

Here's something else.. Under my 400w HPS I see no trace of a cal/mag deficiency. For some reason it just happens under LED. Any idea what causes this?

Will Epsom salt work for a moderate to big cal/mag deficiency or should I look into getting something else?


Thanks for your opinion...

Epsom only works for Mag. you should probably use cal/mag plus. ya i also always get a cal/mag under all of my leds ive ever used. never thought it was the leds but it could be? kinda interesting ur HID dosent have it

 

[Setting Sun]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

wow thats just amazing bro the girls are looking great and look to finish real strong. for only using OC+ and a 300w led unit. once we get things dialed in its gonna be crazy to see what these lights can do? Imagen having CO2 added? man i cant wait until i get these things dialed in.

it would be so cool if OC+ would work without PH'ed. its a pain to PH the water

It's definitely more of a pain to PH water than to add PH-buffered nutes that do it for you.

If I could PH a large amount of water and not have it drift, I'd be OK with that, but I still haven't checked that out.

If I needed to check it to alleviate any paranoia, it would defeat the whole purpose, so the PH has to be stable over a few days.

That will be some pretty bud when it's finished, nice recombinant!

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I only had that one strain of pollen in the fridge, so it turned out nice purely by chance.

She's starting to stink the place up pretty good, and she doesn't smell like either parent .

It just depends on the water.....

In your case, SS, why not just add a pinch of epsom salt?

This is the thing, if I have to add *anything* at all besides the OC+, it becomes less attractive to me.

If I can "correct" a few gallons of water at one sitting and have it remain stable, I'd be willing to do that, but I have to add a pinch of anything at every watering, I might as well use something like GH nutes that will correct my water for me.

I may be able to give the plants more cal/mag by increasing my ratio of tap water to RO water, which would be the best solution, since then I could just water my hempies straight from the tap, which would make me very happy.

thanks doc!

 

[IrishBoy]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

It's definitely more of a pain to PH water than to add PH-buffered nutes that do it for you.

If I could PH a large amount of water and not have it drift, I'd be OK with that, but I still haven't checked that out.

If I needed to check it to alleviate any paranoia, it would defeat the whole purpose, so the PH has to be stable over a few days.

ya i here ya.

the only time i get any PH drift in my 18gal res is when i add Silica. other wise with plan water it will just up a point the 1st 5 min then stay pretty solid, but ya if i have to add anything to OC+ then i mise a well use my GH nutes.

hey on ur 300 vs 400 grow are you going to use GH? if so and say you do 4 plants each. it would be very cool if you did one plant on each side with OC+ to see how it compares to the GH. i know that will create some more work on ur part but would be very cool to see it against the 3 part. shit i would love to see the Maxi vs the 3 part.lol..

 

[dogsnova]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Epsom only works for Mag. you should probably use cal/mag plus. ya i also always get a cal/mag under all of my leds ive ever used. never thought it was the leds but it could be? kinda interesting ur HID dosent have it

Thanks Irish.... I will try the cal/mag plus on my next flower in a couple of weeks...

Yeah Iv'e used an HPS with this strain for about 10 plus years and never had a cal/mag def.. As soon as I go LED with this strain, sure enough a cal/mag def.. Oh well..

Thanks bro...

 

[go green]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

This is the thing, if I have to add *anything* at all besides the OC+, it becomes less attractive to me.

I hear you there bro. I am still a believer there is a simply water and be done solution. Some of us are more picky about things than others. Just depends on what your willing to sacrifice to get that once and done solution.

With Hempy's, I can see how there is an extreme variability being introduced into the equation. Someone needs to contact scott's engineers, and ask them how it would dissolve without direct contact to soil/ with direct contact with water being flushed over it.

A question I wanted to ask you SS is, are the pellets remaining in place when you put them in? Did you mix them in ever, or simply sprinkle on top?

Your ladies are looking very nice, they won't be a disappointment!


-Go

 

[Setting Sun]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

ya i here ya.

the only time i get any PH drift in my 18gal res is when i add Silica. other wise with plan water it will just up a point the 1st 5 min then stay pretty solid, but ya if i have to add anything to OC+ then i mise a well use my GH nutes.

yup, gotta check that out and see how it goes.

hey on ur 300 vs 400 grow are you going to use GH? if so and say you do 4 plants each. it would be very cool if you did one plant on each side with OC+ to see how it compares to the GH. i know that will create some more work on ur part but would be very cool to see it against the 3 part. shit i would love to see the Maxi vs the 3 part.lol..

Nothing is concrete at this point as far as how I setup the grow, except for starting with at least 3-4 plants in each tent and using some equal combination of identical clones in each tent.

These are the possibilities I'm currently entertaining:

1. Straight up soil grow with FFOF nutes.

2. Soil grow with FFOF nutes and 1-2 plants with OC+ in each tent.

3. Straight up Hempy grow with GH flora 3-part.

4. Hempy grow with GH flora 3-part and 1-2 plants with OC+ in each tent.

5. Straight up Hempy grow with recirculating drip and GH flora 3-part.


Not sure what clones I will have available at this point, but they will either all be identical, or I may use two separate sets of identical clones from two different moms/strains, with an equal subset of each in each tent.

I usually make up my mind about 5 minutes before I set the grow up .

 

[IrishBoy]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

yup, gotta check that out and see how it goes.



Nothing is concrete at this point as far as how I setup the grow, except for starting with at least 3-4 plants in each tent and using some equal combination of identical clones in each tent.

These are the possibilities I'm currently entertaining:

1. Straight up soil grow with FFOF nutes.

2. Soil grow with FFOF nutes and 1-2 plants with OC+ in each tent.

3. Straight up Hempy grow with GH flora 3-part.

4. Hempy grow with GH flora 3-part and 1-2 plants with OC+ in each tent.

5. Straight up Hempy grow with recirculating drip and GH flora 3-part.


Not sure what clones I will have available at this point, but they will either all be identical, or I may use two separate sets of identical clones from two different moms/strains, with an equal subset of each in each tent.

I usually make up my mind about 5 minutes before I set the grow up .

sound good. i hope in that last 5min you pick either #2 or #4

 

[Setting Sun]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

I hear you there bro. I am still a believer there is a simply water and be done solution. Some of us are more picky about things than others. Just depends on what your willing to sacrifice to get that once and done solution.

I wouldn't want to sacrifice yield or quality in any way that *I* would consider significant, but I'd be willing to sacrifice some to gain what *I* would consider a significant savings in labor.

As you say, it's all subjective, and to what degree we're willing to compromise.

OC+, or some other CRF, may give me the labor savings I'm looking for without sacrificing anything, but I don't have enough data yet to know.

With Hempy's, I can see how there is an extreme variability being introduced into the equation. Someone needs to contact scott's engineers, and ask them how it would dissolve without direct contact to soil/ with direct contact with water being flushed over it.

I think I'll write them and see what they say. Good idea!

A question I wanted to ask you SS is, are the pellets remaining in place when you put them in? Did you mix them in ever, or simply sprinkle on top?

In the Hempy buckets, I sprinkled about 1/4 of the prills just above the hole, 1/4 more a couple of inches above that, and I top-dressed the other 50% by mixing it into the top couple of inches of perlite with my fingers. I didn't run into too many roots doing that, so it wasn't difficult.

If you sprinkled them on top, I guess it would depend on the grade of the perlite and how forcefully you watered it as far as whether they would stay in place. With coarse #4 perlite, I'd think a good percentage of them would get washed down below the surface when you water.

Your ladies are looking very nice, they won't be a disappointment!

They really are looking pretty nice, and I'm going to be needing to replenish my stash pretty soon, so the timing is good too .

thanks Go!

 

[go green]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

I wouldn't want to sacrifice yield or quality in any way that *I* would consider significant, but I'd be willing to sacrifice some to gain what *I* would consider a significant savings in labor.

As you say, it's all subjective, and to what degree we're willing to compromise.

I think I'll write them and see what they say. Good idea!



In the Hempy buckets, I sprinkled about 1/4 of the prills just above the hole, 1/4 more a couple of inches above that, and I top-dressed the other 50% by mixing it into the top couple of inches of perlite with my fingers. I didn't run into too many roots doing that, so it wasn't difficult.

If you sprinkled them on top, I guess it would depend on the grade of the perlite and how forcefully you watered it as far as whether they would stay in place. With coarse #4 perlite, I'd think a good percentage of them would get washed down below the surface when you water.





They really are looking pretty nice, and I'm going to be needing to replenish my stash pretty soon, so the timing is good too .

thanks Go!

SS,

I like how you think, compromises are very personal, as is each of our growing styles and experiences. I have yet to spend big money on big nutes, or mix multiple substances, or even check my water PH and other tests. I was even growing in soil that had CRF in it, and my results were better than the iguana juice at the time.

I can get you the contact # for scotts. I will get you some info SS. They should be reasonable to deal with, as they are a large company, and I can get you into a more direct line, I believe.

Can can verify, even if promix, loosely packed, the prills did sink into the soil after a moderate amount of water. They simply blended right into the topsoil. Brilliant. That's my two bits, I just did that today, I posted this in the OC+ forum if others want to read.

Good stuff peoples! We're learning!

 

[Myzz617]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

They really are looking pretty nice, and I'm going to be needing to replenish my stash pretty soon, so the timing is good too .

Haha this is why im tryna grow so i can get a stash. Thanks for putting me hip to Hempy though deff will be a savor on the labor side of things and free up some time for other stuff.

 

[Setting Sun]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Thanks Irish.... I will try the cal/mag plus on my next flower in a couple of weeks...

Yeah Iv'e used an HPS with this strain for about 10 plus years and never had a cal/mag def.. As soon as I go LED with this strain, sure enough a cal/mag def.. Oh well..

Thanks bro...

At what point does it happen? About halfway through bloom?

 

[Setting Sun]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

I can get you the contact # for scotts. I will get you some info SS. They should be reasonable to deal with, as they are a large company, and I can get you into a more direct line, I believe.

That would be great, thanks bro .

I'll see what kind of response I get through their website and report back.

Can can verify, even if promix, loosely packed, the prills did sink into the soil after a moderate amount of water. They simply blended right into the topsoil. Brilliant. That's my two bits, I just did that today, I posted this in the OC+ forum if others want to read.

They're slippery little devils .

 

[Setting Sun]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Haha this is why im tryna grow so i can get a stash. Thanks for putting me hip to Hempy though deff will be a savor on the labor side of things and free up some time for other stuff.

Exactly Myzz.

It would be nice to free up a little time for other stuff.

I haven't been doing much fishing lately .

 

[IrishBoy]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

At what point does it happen? About halfway through bloom?

1st few weeks of bloom for me maybe the 2nd or 3rd week

 

[dogsnova]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

At what point does it happen? About halfway through bloom?

Right at about the third week of flowering.. I haven't veged this strain with led's yet so I'm not sure if it would show it's ugly face during veg.. But during flowering with led's it's there big time..

 

[Setting Sun]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

1st few weeks of bloom for me maybe the 2nd or 3rd week

Right at about the third week of flowering.. I haven't veged this strain with led's yet so I'm not sure if it would show it's ugly face during veg.. But during flowering with led's it's there big time..

If this turns out to be some kind of LED idiosyncrasy, it could be one of those things that on the surface seem negative, but that smart people in white coats might be able to exploit somehow once they find out what's at play.

 

[IrishBoy]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

If this turns out to be some kind of LED idiosyncrasy, it could be one of those things that on the surface seem negative, but that smart people in white coats might be able to exploit somehow once they find out what's at play.

it must be a certain spectrum or NM that makes the plant use up more Cal/Mag. i always get one in flowering, but always thought it was my nutes or PH, until now, but then their are still some members using these lights that i haven't seen or heard of them getting a cal/mag def. i will have to ask around but some are already a 3 or 4 weeks into bloom and seem good. so thats kinda odd.

 

[dogsnova]

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

If this turns out to be some kind of LED idiosyncrasy, it could be one of those things that on the surface seem negative, but that smart people in white coats might be able to exploit somehow once they find out what's at play.

I thought the same thing.. A LED nute line...lol