300W LED Shootout: 12/12 From Seed - Featuring Super Silver Haze

[Jozo-sha]

re: 300W LED Shootout: 12/12 from seed - featuring Super Silver Haze

Sounds like a very soil mix. Every thing you could want all rolled in to one with out having to mix it your self. It hard to find something like that around here. The tea look like it would do the trick and help those beauties to swell. Very simple controls, keep up the work and I can't wate to see you get things going.

Gonna soak the beans TONIGHT!

Okay Jozo, let's go! This will be a great grow.

I'm glad I have you with me

hey Jz sounds like a good solid plan brother. just make sure that you watch them leaves in case the soil is hot or not enough nitro. i would however suggest looking in to your micros.... they will help it so that the plant will have access to the available nutes that are dormant in the soil material. something like great White for your Myco/s (fungi) and the ET line for your Anzo's (micro bacts).
if you have a good enough soil mix you cal almost use just the beni's and few supplements and have great results..... got to love simplicity!

cant wait to see this get going!

Well, gauging by that lady's 'maters, I'd say it's fine right out of the bag, If I find that micros are needed, I can just top dress with a teaspoonfuls or two of the OC+, but honestly? I don't think I'm going to need it.

JZ,
I'm jealous, I want my own cheerleader too.

It's a blessing to have a smart, sexy best friend to lend me support. In exchange, when we're together, generally I do all the cooking


As I said up there ^^^ gonna get Herbal Annie involved and get some beans soaking overnight, fill up all my water jugs with fresh RO/DI (that's 27 gallons worth), get the germination flat all ready for tomorrow and generally make sure things are ready for the next steps.

Tomorrow will pick up the panda film and shower curtain hooks, and possibly some milk crate-esque tables to put the Air Pots on (I'm paranoid since the flood...big time), and get the tent set up, hanging power, getting the fans set, LED's hung, etc., etc.

Hopefully on Sunday, I'll have sprouts and will start this thing going!


As a side grow (inspired by Munki's AF grow - check it out if you've not seen it) gonna try out Porno Seeds strain called 'Cate Harrington'. Supposedly femmed AF, gonna pop it in a one gallon Air Pot and stick it in the 2 x 2 tent under a mere 63w of LED. More of a diversion to help me avoid fucking with this shootout!

Thanks again for your support, not only for me and the other (much better) growers than myself, but also to the sponsors that make it possible for 420 to have this online online community!

 

[crazy horse]

re: 300W LED Shootout: 12/12 from seed - featuring Super Silver Haze

Recently smoked some Shark Shock and Black Widow, the quality of the oil is very high

Devil and Mango Haze next!!!

Subscribed....SSH looks killer!

 

[Jozo-sha]

re: 300W LED Shootout: 12/12 from seed - featuring Super Silver Haze

Okay all you sages of sinsemilla, I have a question before I drop these SSH beans into their watery pre-womb:

I've been doing some research at the the seed breeders forums, and it's just a fact that SSV has numerous phenotypes. In the case of this grow, I feel I'm tossing loaded dice, and they land on not being able to provide a fair single plant vs. plant grow if I only germinate 8 seeds out of the pack of 15. I increase the odds in my favor by trying to germinate all the seeds, but I'd need to certainly buy more small pots to grow out the seedlings to sexing size before culling out males, unwanted phenos and a breeding female before transferring the females to the Air Pots.

Which leads to this: Would this comparison be as fair if I miraculously ended up with two phenos to do a single plant grow and compare weights versus doing the same weight comparison with 2-4 plants of mixed pheno but the same strain?

I'd like some feedback before I drop these not so inexpensive beans into water -- not that I'm a cheap bastard, but I want this to be as fair as possible while operating within the parameters that SSH seeds give me to work with.

I'd like if GrowGSL would respond and let me know if that would be acceptable (and as an aside, it would be nice to harvest more than just a couple of ounces, right?)

 

[Magic beans]

re: 300W LED Shootout: 12/12 from seed - featuring Super Silver Haze

Hey jozo just tuning in. Sorry about the misfortuned end of the last, but karma comes around i tell you. This is the grow where youre supposed to shine. One thing ASAP confirm the gnat problem and terminate it. Make sure they stay gone and when your buying soils be careful... Its very often where the gnats come from. Other than that cant wait to see what these machines do.

Magic Beans Flo N Gro Pineapple Chunk - Lemon Skunk LED Grow - 2011

 

[Propa Gator]

re: 300W LED Shootout: 12/12 from seed - featuring Super Silver Haze

Jozo Shootout, LED grow. Doing it in the dirt
You'll grow some nice medicine if you don't 'em to death

I see an issue with your plan to 12/12 reg seeds
It's about dedicating limited grow space to possible males
My politics on pollenators is draconian
I advise saving those and acquiring, if possible some fem seed, but...
IMO, for light show purpose, eight cuttings from the same plant would be best.

That fancy dirt you got has every thing happy hemp could want in the rain.
Be cautious of any additives to the water; I'd use straight tap like the clerk.

 

[copenhagen420]

re: 300W LED Shootout: 12/12 from seed - featuring Super Silver Haze

This will be interesting to follow! Wish you and don't forget to post photos!

Which grow room do you think will get the largest yield?

 

[OG13]

re: 300W LED Shootout: 12/12 from seed - featuring Super Silver Haze

Hey JZ, I would start all the beans, you should have plenty of room for 7 or 8 under the 2 300 watt lites. You will have a better chance of getting good/matching phenos based on the statistics. Starting from seed 12/12 each should only take 2 sq feet or so....go with 2 gallon pots unless you can't water that frequently. Docbud was only using 1.5 gals at the beginning..... You got evverything elevated on blocks this time? I'm following along.

 

[SteveHman]

re: 300W LED Shootout: 12/12 from seed - featuring Super Silver Haze

I think I would start 12 seeds under one light, so that there are no variables during the first few weeks. Then when they display sex, get rid of the males and then categorize the phenos of the females. If you end up with 2 or more with the same pheno put one in each group. So if you have two tall and lanky and 2 short and bushy put one each into each tent for the remainder of the grow.

Then pick the best looking of the girls and take some cuttings for a mom that you can do a clone run with later so you'll have all the same genetics for the next test. Make sure that if you take cuttings that you take similar cuttings from the other plant so that both have the same start in the competition.

When we finish our current grow, we'll have to do that grow-off Iron Chef style, maybe we should have OMM, TS and Propa Gator decide on which seeds we should buy for the grow, kind of like the secret ingredient. We could then order from tehsame seed bank and have the same genetics to make it fair(er). Maybe use single seed center to buy 3~4 femmed seeds. OK, sounds like OMM, TS and PG need to put their heads together and pick us a strain>

 

[Jozo-sha]

re: 300W LED Shootout: 12/12 from seed - featuring Super Silver Haze

Hey jozo just tuning in. Sorry about the misfortuned end of the last, but karma comes around i tell you. This is the grow where youre supposed to shine. One thing ASAP confirm the gnat problem and terminate it. Make sure they stay gone and when your buying soils be careful... Its very often where the gnats come from. Other than that cant wait to see what these machines do.

Magic Beans Flo N Gro Pineapple Chunk - Lemon Skunk LED Grow - 2011

Magic beans, your stuff is lookin' good brother - dammit, not I want a Diamond 200 to test also! Thanks for coming by!

Jozo Shootout, LED grow. Doing it in the dirt
You'll grow some nice medicine if you don't 'em to death

I see an issue with your plan to 12/12 reg seeds
It's about dedicating limited grow space to possible males
My politics on pollenators is draconian
I advise saving those and acquiring, if possible some fem seed, but...
IMO, for light show purpose, eight cuttings from the same plant would be best.

That fancy dirt you got has every thing happy hemp could want in the rain.
Be cautious of any additives to the water; I'd use straight tap like the clerk.

Thanks PG, you know your advice is SAGE and WELCOMED. I can't use tap, incredibly high mineral content (I suppose I could cut with RODI), but rest of house supply is on a softener, thus replacing calcuim/carbonate hardness with salts of unknown origin. Think I'm going to take my chances for now with RODI + Cal-Mag, until the girls bitch. As far as 12/12 from seed and limted space; since I'm only growing for myself and one patient (and their needs are miniscule compared to mine), I won't consider that to be an issue. Eventually though, I'd enjoy doing a boatload of femmed seeds of various strains and pick a pair or two for momhood -- once I get more space so I can maintain them.

I think I would start 12 seeds under one light, so that there are no variables during the first few weeks. Then when they display sex, get rid of the males and then categorize the phenos of the females. If you end up with 2 or more with the same pheno put one in each group. So if you have two tall and lanky and 2 short and bushy put one each into each tent for the remainder of the grow.

Then pick the best looking of the girls and take some cuttings for a mom that you can do a clone run with later so you'll have all the same genetics for the next test. Make sure that if you take cuttings that you take similar cuttings from the other plant so that both have the same start in the competition.

When we finish our current grow, we'll have to do that grow-off Iron Chef style, maybe we should have OMM, TS and Propa Gator decide on which seeds we should buy for the grow, kind of like the secret ingredient. We could then order from tehsame seed bank and have the same genetics to make it fair(er). Maybe use single seed center to buy 3~4 femmed seeds. OK, sounds like OMM, TS and PG need to put their heads together and pick us a strain>

Well, I dropped all 17 (as it turned out) beans, but was thinking of splitting them 50/5o under the two lights, then no one can say that one light's plants turned out better or worse for having been sexed under on e particular light; that make sense?

My plan, since I really have my set on 12/ 12 for seeds is to take one female and one male of the SSH, and let them make sweet love in the 2 x 2 'love shack' and collect a zillion seeds for stock - although others are arguing for me just pulling one guy and harvesting pollen and selectively pollenating a bud here and there?

And yes, I am so totally into an Iron Chef Grow Off! Let's start planning early, setting parameters and letting those 3 pick a strain!

 

[Littllman2469]

re: 300W LED Shootout: 12/12 from seed - featuring Super Silver Haze

I agree with Stevehman. It's going to be hard to control with the deferent phenos, but it's possible. Clones would be the best way to go but I know 12/12 from seed is your style.
An iron chef style shoot out would kick ass. I'd love to be one of the three judges tasting and grading thouse yummy nuggs.

 

[SteveHman]

re: 300W LED Shootout: 12/12 from seed - featuring Super Silver Haze

JZ, we can have the three gurus of ganja each put in two suggestions (OMM, TS and PG) and then put those 6 strains up for a poll to decide which one we go with, then select the seed-bank (I think single seed is a sponsor) and then each of us buy 5 femmed seeds. We have to document everything. Have the same start and end dates. We can use germ rate, bag appeal, yield and any other metrics to grade. The only restrictions are we each start with 5 of the same seeds and have a max limit on wattage. How's that sound?

Sounds like fun.

 

[Jozo-sha]

re: 300W LED Shootout: 12/12 from seed - featuring Super Silver Haze

JZ, we can have the three gurus of ganja each put in two suggestions (OMM, TS and PG) and then put those 6 strains up for a poll to decide which one we go with, then select the seed-bank (I think single seed is a sponsor) and then each of us buy 5 femmed seeds. We have to document everything. Have the same start and end dates. We can use germ rate, bag appeal, yield and any other metrics to grade. The only restrictions are we each start with 5 of the same seeds and have a max limit on wattage. How's that sound?

Sounds like fun.

Oh yeah. Let's do this thing. It will be a blast!

 

[Propa Gator]

re: 300W LED Shootout: 12/12 from seed - featuring Super Silver Haze

A comparison grow should reduce variables to one.
A familiar process should be employed.
Strain choice doesn't matter for this purpose but a Sativa dom and an Indica both, would help.

I could never smoke all I grow, so my customers decide which strains I produce.
My main strain now, Pineapple Express doesn't appeal to me like my less-marketable Indicas.
I can't afford to be arbitrary, nor even wistful.

I can do contrary

 

[Jozo-sha]

re: 300W LED Shootout: 12/12 from seed - featuring Super Silver Haze

A comparison grow should reduce variables to one.
A familiar process should be employed.
Strain choice doesn't matter for this purpose but a Sativa dom and an Indica both, would help.

I could never smoke all I grow, so my customers decide which strains I produce.
My main strain now, Pineapple Express doesn't appeal to me like my less-marketable Indicas.
I can't afford to be arbitrary, nor even wistful.

I can do contrary

Following that fine train of thought, attempting to bring 8 to 10 females of mixed phenotype would negate a matched phenotype variable requirement

I was very close to reaching harvest from my last grow, and am quite familiar with the technique I'm going to use. Not familiar with the strain at all, but I know it's fine medicine

I have no qualms, should the results be inconclusive somehow, duplicating this shoot out with clones of another strain - I'd root them under 24 hour 63 watt LED, then transplant them into Air Pots under 12/12 lighting, so not a true 'No Mercy', but it's the best you can do with clones.

I am envisioning 4 or 5 females per side, and breaking down the whole grow and yield values as was done in this grow - I think this would provide a good break down at least for an initial single strain grow, regardless of phenotypes.

 

[Propa Gator]

re: 300W LED Shootout: 12/12 from seed - featuring Super Silver Haze

Jozo-sha, your faith in No Mercy 12/12 is solid
I am excited now, to see your plan in action.
SSH has a jersey number in my recuring wet dream
Play (no)Ball(s)
Aside from the sex thing, I doubt any pheno variance will be significant

 

[Xlr8]

re: 300W LED Shootout: 12/12 from seed - featuring Super Silver Haze

Looking forward to this! Seems like you are using good logic so far on your decisions as far as fair comparisons. Trust your gut.

 

[Littllman2469]

re: 300W LED Shootout: 12/12 from seed - featuring Super Silver Haze

I can't wate to see them in the dirt and to see what that GS light can do. No matter what the turn out, It will all be worth it in the in.

 

[highteck]

Tuned The F@ck In for this shizzle brah

Bring me beans brah I'm all moved in, gonna fire me up a thread i got some 'bluejuice' going

 

[Jozo-sha]

Looking forward to this! Seems like you are using good logic so far on your decisions as far as fair comparisons. Trust your gut.

That's all this is about - being as fair as I can, while making sure I stay somewhat true to what my growing style is evolving into - 12/12 from seed with dirt and LED's

I can't wate to see them in the dirt and to see what that GS light can do. No matter what the turn out, It will all be worth it in the in.

Absolutely. If I had the money, I'd buy and Advanced and do another side-by-side-by-side (since I'd need a giant tent too, and more basic supplies). I was really encouraged by how the GS was doing before the flood.

Tuned The F@ck In for this shizzle brah
Bring me beans brah I'm all moved in, gonna fire me up a thread i got some 'bluejuice' going

Post that journal link here when you got it going, brother! You're gonna rock the Blue

Update:

18 SSH beans and one lone 'Cate Harrington' bean are in the 2'x2' tent, after a 24 hours soak in RODI, and when I headed out today, saw one had popped the surface of the rapid rooter cube. They're on their way!

I'll post a couple of pics in a few.

 

[Jozo-sha]

Some preliminary set up shots to whet the appetite:
The newly clean tent, ready for the build out

Divided up for the shootout

My soil choice

and the 2' x 2' tent with 19 nestled babies