1st Hydro - LED Grow With Crop King White Widow From Seed

[VladimirPutin]

Thanks Bama, always a pleasure to stop by

Hmmmmmmmm...

Have you checked the back pressure on your air lines? These are low pressure pumps, only 3 PSI at best so what you want to do is use fresh airstones every grow. The clogging stones kill the pumps.

Disconnect your airline from the pump, put it to your lips and have good blow. If you have trouble blowing a good volume, chances are little pumps will too. If that doesn't over heat the electronics, it will rupture a diaphragm.

I change mah stones every 2 months like clockwork

If you had to clean your res... chances are the stones are shot.

V

 

[Bamalabrat]

Update time.
I am sorry for not posting yesterday. Busy with the family. The girls look pretty good at the moment. I checked the pH and ppm's yesterday and the pH was pretty high for some reason. I do not know why as I had not added anything to the res. I did add 12 mL of pH down and that lowered it to about 6.2. The PPM was the same. Tut2 got topped yesterday as well. It was her 7th set of leaves, and she is taller than Tut1 so I felt pretty good about topping her.

I did some defoliating this weekend. I posted that on Saturday. I took a few more leaves on Sunday. The plants all looked so tiny after doing that. I felt bad for a bit. However in the last 24 hours it was very easy to see a bunch of growth on every single plant. Mostly coming from the growth from the lower part of the plants, but there was some opening on the tops as well. I will be taking readings on the pH and PPM again this evening. I am trying to determine how much they are "eating". The last 48 hours have been pretty good, they are just doing what they do. I saw white roots in every bucket, so that is very nice. I will take pics this evening when I take the readings then post them. Get them posted tonight.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Just wanted to say that I have ordered my flowering supplements today. They should be arriving this week and next. I also ordered a T5 light fixture. I bought a box to make my cloner out of today as well. When the neoprene collars get here I will have everything needed for the cloner experiment. I have identified the clones I would like to take. I will not be cloning the WW. I want to keep the PPP and Tut so I will be taking clones off of those two strains only. I am thinking that I would like to grow 4 of each strain. I can go back to two different res systems. Keep them separate and happy with only as much as the strain wants. It would give me control of what to keep in the res and things like that.

So now, the only things stopping me from flipping these too flower are:
1) Tut2 is about 10 days away from providing sites suitable for cloning.
2) I want to get rid of any deficiencies before the flip.
3) Waiting for the flower supplements.
4) I would really like to have the plants be a little bigger and have stronger structures. I have not done myself a lot of favors here with all of the stress that the plants have had to recover from. I know and accept that. I want to see what they do over the next week to 10 days. If I feel like they are strong enough and I can take 2 clones from each plant (and I really do not think that is a problem. 2 of the plants have clone sites now that are ready to be taken).
I will rely on you guys that read this journal to help me with the decision as to when to flip. But the time is getting pretty close.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Ok, so here are some pics I just took.
First up are the Tuts

and now the PPP's starting with 1 and 2 then 3 and 4. Notice what a bush PPP1 is! I wish all the plants looked like her! I would flip on 1 Oct. if they all looked like that.

And now the WW's. They look so different to me with out those big fans.

I also added 50 mL of A/B as well as 30 mL of B-52. They will get the cal/mag on Wednesday. Hoping this week is nothing but epic results! (no more epic fails!) Good growing guys and have a great week.

 

[Spitz]

Looking great Rat! Growth should be exponential from here. Root Pics??? Keep them green!

 

[Bamalabrat]

Thanks Spitz. I hope the growth does pick up. I am ready to take clones and get to the flowering. I would take root picks, but with the top hose line going through the lids not letting me take the lids but a few inches, and the fact that I am almost worthless at taking one handed pics, root pics will have to wait until I do another res change. I should have taken pics last res change but I forgot. The roots are different lengths and some plants like Tut2 and PPP4 are super white, while others like PPP2 and 3 are a little brown. ALL plants have some white roots showing though. Like WW1 and 2 had some pretty brown roots a week ago, but now they are really getting whiter. I do not check the roots everyday though. It is probably just twice a week. I check my damn pumps twice a day now. I am only using one of the original water pumps that I got when I made my initial setup. Every other air and water pump has crapped out on me. I went cheap with those, I figured hell they are cheap and if they go out no big deal. F'ing wrong on that. Live and learn.

 

[sciguy]

everythings looking good so far

 

[sciguy]

a couple questions though, are you trying to harvest before a certain time? how tall is your grow tent? and how tall are the plants from the lid of the bucket?

I ask because that's gonna determine when your ready to flip to flower, if you have a 6ft tall tent for example, your buckets for example are 12in tall, and due to the lights and everything haniging that should still give you a good 3.5ft of vertical growth space, take measurements, and go from there. measure how much distance you have from the top of the buckets to the hot zone on the lights, cut that distance in half and that's how long you veg your plant, once it gets close to that height, then switch to flower

Remember to keep in mind the stretch during flower and that sativa dominant strains stretch more than indicas. if you switch too soon you will regret it with overall yield in the end since it wont have the support it needs to build those big beautiful buds.

I agree they should start having a really good growth rate now.Cant wait to keep watching and see how they turn out.

 

[CronicHempHog]

doesn't take much to max out 5-6 feet tent
you can do it on 3-4 weeks veg
the right strains will stretch out to a point where your fighting to keep them down off the lights

 

[Bamalabrat]

Hey Sciguy!

I would like to harvest before Xmas. My tent is 7'11" and that is about 4.5 - 5' of growable space. These are all indica dominate and are supposed to stay pretty short in flower. I really do not know what they gonna do as this is my first time. The tallest couple of plants are at 8". I am going to use a screen. I built a screen set up yeserday. I took some pics and will post them today. The screen will help me give support and train the plants. Thanks for all the great questions and interest!

 

[Bamalabrat]

Update time. I spent some time making a screen yesterday. It is easy and inexpensive to do. I got dragged away from it a few times so I am not completely done yet. Will finish sometime today and post pics this evening. The plants are not bursting at the seams with growth. I can tell that they are growing just I think they are growing slowly. I don't know. It will be easy to measure the growth after the screen is finished. Will be able to count the squares that are filled in every other day.
The tops on some of the plants are insane. They have gotten long, over an inch and are on the second and third new leaves. That is just awesome. I will try to get some pics of every thing this evening. Thanks guys.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Ok went and took some pics real quick. Here they are.

First up is just after I put the frame together and placed inside of tent.

Now I added the net. I was making a net and then I found my net that I had misplaced and could not find. So I stopped making a net and did what I had planed on doing in the beginning. This made an easy job super easy!

Next I took a couple of pics of the girls. First up are the Tuts followed by the PPP and then the last pic is the WW.

 

[Far East Buds]

Hey Sciguy!

I would like to harvest before Xmas. My tent is 7'11" and that is about 4.5 - 5' of growable space. These are all indica dominate and are supposed to stay pretty short in flower. I really do not know what they gonna do as this is my first time. The tallest couple of plants are at 8". I am going to use a screen. I built a screen set up yeserday. I took some pics and will post them today. The screen will help me give support and train the plants. Thanks for all the great questions and interest!

That doesn't sound unreasonable by Xmas. Just figure that they will gain 2-3 times more size in flower and you will be all set. They pop after like a week of 12/12 and will grow more for that 2-3 weeks than you thought it could. Then stretch all but stops. Cola's are where they are at that point. then all that energy starts on the buds when the stretch is basically over. I would take come clones as soon as possible...wait for a few days for it to recover from the clone pulling and go to flower. As long as all is smooth when you do it no deficiencies. They all look plenty big enough but just my novice opinion. The longer you wait in veg overall will give you a better yield, But I see some plants that I suspect in scrog will give you a pretty good yield.

Basically I would say you "can" when you want. MY first run was all about yield. But now it is about quality results so maybe I lean to early flower too much now...

Things are really looking good... stay steady... approaching flower you should be smooth no big hiccups and no big last minute changes. Just check on stuff a lot but slight in the changes. If the plant is happy going to flower it will flip smooth.

I was shocked the difference grow 1 vs 2 on the flip. Grow 2 plant was in better shape and just started the different production. Grow one the plant got hit hard as it had my errors and deficiencies in supplements. Last minute decision to scrog it... etc. you saw the result.. stressed plant that was dead and harvested at 7 weeks and didn't gain anything for week 6 really. Still got a good yield but if it was smooth that sucker easily could have been double. and or better quality.

smooth

If it was me..

Pull clones very soon.. Let them recover a few days and start flower. Or put some in one week and others another week if you are ready to separate veg/flower spots. Then harvest can be different weeks too...

Just rambling.. throwing out some info and idea's for you... Don't read to much into my stuff... I am only the one learning grow ahead of you


FE

 

[Far East Buds]

Is the net real high off the plants or are those spot's big.. the squares that is.... They look to big to me... Is it just the picture? Make sure it is what you want. Once the plants are in scrog you are "locked" in. That's the only part I don't like about scrog.

Just an observation.



FE

 

[Bamalabrat]

Hey FE. The squares are large. Bigger than I would have made them but it will still work. WW1 is the only one that has leaves that actually touch the the screen. WW2 is almost there and so is Tut2. I really do not know what is going on with PPP2 3 and 4. They seem healthy just not growing tall. The Tuts are doing well and I have no concerns about them or the WW. PPP1 is the clear queen of this grow. For some reason she is just the biggest bushiest out of the bunch. I want to take the clones at the same time. I am thinking around 10 Oct. Sooner if possible. I just want to take clones off of the PPP and WW. Right now only 2 of the plants can give me clones. If the PPP's do not get with the program I will take clones off of the WW and just go with it. If nothing else I can always pop more seeds for the veg. I may do that. It is possible that I will not have an ideal pheno this run. I may not want to keep any of them, but I will not know that until Xmas. So I do not know. I will give them another week or two and then evaluate were I am. I have a couple of freebee auto seeds. I may pop those and put them in flower with these plants. LOL. In other words, I am kinda bored at the moment, and that makes me dangerous. LOL I will just continue to let these do what they are doing.

 

[Far East Buds]

Read more.. watch a movie.. Don't get bored! you WILL do something.. Stay out of that room!

FE

 

[cogreen]

haven't had time to stop by your grow for awhile, but wow, your girls have grown a lot since the last time I was here.

they're looking pretty healthy too -- congrats!

nice work!


question that is probably answered somewhere in your grow, but I didn't see it -- are you flushing your plants at all (e.g. 2hr flush every X weeks)? just curious

 

[Bamalabrat]

update time:
Last night I went to sleep early. Was pretty tired. I did check on the plants and they looked fine. This morning I went to check and they looked great. Putting the screen in there made it very east to see the vertical and horizontal growth. Glad I did it. There are more plants now that are trying to touch the screen. It is kind of like giving them a goal to shoot for.
I had done a little cropping yesterday. Just pushed everything down and out to try to get them to open up the interiors. Of course they all pointed up again today, but they are starting to stay a little more spread out. I did the same to them this morning. I do not have even growth of the tops among the plants. Some of the tops are now 3 inches long and some of the others are only 1 inch long. Not sure why that is. Could just be the difference in the plants. Even the same strains are going to have some deviation in growth rates and such. Would love to have 3 inch tops on all of them.
Also looking at my girls tops, I saw some thing weird. I topped them all the same or so I thought. 2 of them are looking like I may have actually fim'ed them. I am happy if that was the case. When I tried to FIM the WW2 a few weeks back I did not succeed. But now it looks like maybe an accidental FIM on a PPP and Tut2. Really happy if Tut2 was FIM'ed. That would be awesome I think.
Anyway, here are some pics of them. I took individual and group shots. First up are the Tuts. I will be putting them in numerical order.

Next are the PPP's.

And last are the WW.

Here are the group shots.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Hey Cogreen, thanks for stopping by and the kind words. When I do a res change, I do a dump then refill and let that run for about 10 -15 minutes. Then I dump that and refill again. I pH and add the DM zone and let that run for an hour or two. Last time it ran for a little over 2 hours like that because I got busy. I do not think that is a flush, I was thinking that was just trying to get it clean and cleared of everything.

 

[Far East Buds]

Hey Cogreen, thanks for stopping by and the kind words. When I do a res change, I do a dump then refill and let that run for about 10 -15 minutes. Then I dump that and refill again. I pH and add the DM zone and let that run for an hour or two. Last time it ran for a little over 2 hours like that because I got busy. I do not think that is a flush, I was thinking that was just trying to get it clean and cleared of everything.

You do more than me... Well different now with the new tubs but in old 5 gallon set up i would run 5 or 10 gallons through system straight into drain in between new batches of nutes. No peroxide or anything..
Now I am using DM zone i feel like i have armor now so as long as res temp doesn't exceed 74-75 I feel comfortable just swapping nutes. But I now am tub swapping and it is clean clean and fresh like new every time... Eventually in flower that will be too tough and i will swap nutes in place. I am sure I still won't really flush. lol

Some people don't ever change nutes, Some run live res, Some sterile, Some flush some don't. I don't know if it looks like the plants like it keep doing it

FE