Keep an eye on your PPMs, hopefully they balance out once things start circulating again. I know pythiam can form really quickly but the DM zone should protect you, that's what it was designed for. I ran mine 1 ml/gal but you can go as high as 12ml/5gal. How much zone were you running?
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I put in 30 mL on sunday and that was just under 1 mL/gallon. I think I have about 35 gallons in the system. It was a probably a combination of factors. Too little DM zone and the buckets furthest from the res probably got the hottest and formed the pythium. That is my best guess. I am getting ready to do a res dump. So we will see. Tomorrow would have been the one week mark. So I do not feel like I am wasting a lot of nutes. I was going to add nutes again on Sunday to stay on the weekly timeline. It is just the PITA of doing a res dump this week, and of a crappy pump. It was just a $10 pump, but it should last longer than 2 months. I am getting to the point of hating Chinese anything (except the food. love the food). s
I put in 30 mL on sunday and that was just under 1 mL/gallon. I think I have about 35 gallons in the system. It was a probably a combination of factors. Too little DM zone and the buckets furthest from the res probably got the hottest and formed the pythium. That is my best guess. I am getting ready to do a res dump. So we will see. Tomorrow would have been the one week mark. So I do not feel like I am wasting a lot of nutes. I was going to add nutes again on Sunday to stay on the weekly timeline. It is just the PITA of doing a res dump this week, and of a crappy pump. It was just a $10 pump, but it should last longer than 2 months. I am getting to the point of hating Chinese anything (except the food. love the food). s
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I was looking at the PPM and PH tester saying the same thing. I think I will take up my buddies offer soon on his extra Blue labs ones
My chinese crap isn't old but starting to wonder is all!The post OMU sent us mentioned that res changes should be done when you have had to add the equivalent liquid to replace what the plant has used. 35 gallons systems added 1 gallon a day for 35 days.. time to change. If that is the case? I don't need to do any changes for veg so far really. On either grow..Just food for thought.
Good stuff Bam
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I know what you are saying FE. I loved that link that OMU posted. The thing is the pythium. I do not want to keep that stuff in the system. So I had to dump and clean this morning. I am in the process of finishing that now. I really hope this is the last dump I have to do for veg. The next dump should be in three weeks when I switch over to flower. I am also really regretting not spending the money up front for the blue labs meters. I am on the verge of buying one right now.
Might as well up your DM zone so you are protected if this happens again. You can always taper down before you hit flower. It's good insurance for your grow. I was running it higher in veg and my plant went crazy and I didn't worry about rot. I've read of people running it at 3ml/gal to get rot under control. The one time I had the pythiam scare, actual slimy roots, I flushed with h2o2, dipped and dunked root ball in a peroxide solution bath as suggested by an support. You will have it dialed in soon. The learning curve for hydro has been steap for us both. Hopefully you get the system dialed it's soon and can relax a bit and let nature take its course. Time for me to roll up and get my day started. Jah bless
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Ok finished the res dump. I flushed it twice. The whole system. Filled it up and dumped, filled it up and dumped. So now it is filled up and has been running a while. Here are the steps and numbers for this process:
Before dumping and rinsing I did a reading and got 663 PPM and 6.2 pH
After the rinses and final fill I added 50mL of DM zone and got these numbers 188 PPM and 8.4 pH
I let that run for thirty minutes (by the way I waited to take a reading after I added the DM zone)
I then added 30mL of pH down. I waited an hour and took another reading 195 PPM and 6.2 pH
I then added 80mL of Sensi A/B and B-52. I let that run for 2 hours and took a reading of 453 PPM and 6.3 pH
I had the recirc pump running the whole time. So it would get well mixed and not have "hot spots" in the system. I have now put the recirc pump on a timer (30 minutes on/off). I will check again in an hour or 2. I had a look at my roots. There was some browning but just a very light browning not bad. Nothing I think to freak out about. There were a couple of plants who had no browning at all that I saw. All the plants had a lot more roots than just two days ago. Serious it was pretty impressive how much root mass is developing right now.
Also the chiller is bringing the temp down. It is at 71 and dropping a degree every hour. So that is good as well. Hopefully this was the last equipment failure I will have to deal with. I was trying to find my net that I had bought to use as my screen. I can not seem to find it anywhere. Really aggravating me. I can build a screen if I have to but that was why I picked up the screen, so I would not have to mess about building one. LOL
I am going to go get a dehumidifier from a big box store. Throw that in the tent to get the RH down. With the cooler temps RH is starting to hit 70's at night. The air gets drier in the winter. A lot drier, but right now we still have a lot of moisture from the hot days. So cooler temps is great, and dehumidifiers are a lot cheaper than AC.
So that is all for this update. No pics. I am kinda pooped right now. The girls are all green and getting bushy. Probably wont have any growth to speak of for the next 24 - 48 hours. Will just keep an eye on everything. Of course if they surprise me I will def. take some pics.
Before dumping and rinsing I did a reading and got 663 PPM and 6.2 pH
After the rinses and final fill I added 50mL of DM zone and got these numbers 188 PPM and 8.4 pH
I let that run for thirty minutes (by the way I waited to take a reading after I added the DM zone)
I then added 30mL of pH down. I waited an hour and took another reading 195 PPM and 6.2 pH
I then added 80mL of Sensi A/B and B-52. I let that run for 2 hours and took a reading of 453 PPM and 6.3 pH
I had the recirc pump running the whole time. So it would get well mixed and not have "hot spots" in the system. I have now put the recirc pump on a timer (30 minutes on/off). I will check again in an hour or 2. I had a look at my roots. There was some browning but just a very light browning not bad. Nothing I think to freak out about. There were a couple of plants who had no browning at all that I saw. All the plants had a lot more roots than just two days ago. Serious it was pretty impressive how much root mass is developing right now.
Also the chiller is bringing the temp down. It is at 71 and dropping a degree every hour. So that is good as well. Hopefully this was the last equipment failure I will have to deal with. I was trying to find my net that I had bought to use as my screen. I can not seem to find it anywhere. Really aggravating me. I can build a screen if I have to but that was why I picked up the screen, so I would not have to mess about building one. LOL
I am going to go get a dehumidifier from a big box store. Throw that in the tent to get the RH down. With the cooler temps RH is starting to hit 70's at night. The air gets drier in the winter. A lot drier, but right now we still have a lot of moisture from the hot days. So cooler temps is great, and dehumidifiers are a lot cheaper than AC.
So that is all for this update. No pics. I am kinda pooped right now. The girls are all green and getting bushy. Probably wont have any growth to speak of for the next 24 - 48 hours. Will just keep an eye on everything. Of course if they surprise me I will def. take some pics.
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Yeah I really thought that I was getting dialed in as well. Felt like a boss for 3.5 days after reading that post from OMU. It was like getting a pep talk from a grow coach.
Then, WHAM, pump dies and system starts to turn toxic. lol.i have plenty of DM zone left, and I am not afraid to use it.
Hydro is not THAT complicated, but it does require vigilance and experience. Once dialed in, it will be pretty easy to monitor the meters and plants. Add stuff when you need to. I am not there but I feel like I am getting close. I will probably dial in the veg part a day or two after I flip to flower! - Thread starter
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One more quick observation. The tent is now very aromatic. I did not think there was going to be a "skunky" smell during veg. That is really the best descriptor I have at the moment. Anyone who is familiar with skunk will know what I mean by a sweet and sour kind of smell. When you cut the leaves, they smell more minty, but in the tent it is def a "skunky" smell. Hoping that means this stuff will be great smoke if smell is any indication.
Hoping that means this stuff will be great smoke if smell is any indication.ah the smell! isn't that the best part when growing? rub a branch with your fingers then smell your fingers youll be in for a delight. Smell is a great indicator, but you also have to not have too many issues, keep ph in check and ppms, don't nuke it with nutrients, and actually harvest at the correct time and youll have some stellar weed! Remember harvesting even a week early, which is the most common thing to do for new growers, will result in an atleast 30% loss in yield as well as potency, since the THC hasn't fully matured. just keep that in mind while growing and it will work out great
Start counting flower weeks when you actually get buds showing, if you want to do the 8 week flower, but I highly recommend a 60x-100x pocket microscope with led light or a jewlers loupe with LED light if you don't already have one, it makes it easy to see how the trichomes look on the plant, please don't use the loupe or microscope under LED lights as they tend to make clear trichomes look cloudy and throw off your harvest, use the whitest light you can find to use when checking trichomes. But also remember that if you do happen to harvest a little early, don't feel bad if you do, youll still have really good weed, you will just have to give it a good long and slow cure, that will bring out more potency and flavor and aroma to the weed. sorry for the long post on your thread
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I have a led microscrop 100x. That was a def must have along with the meters.
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Guys, I need help. I think that I have the same problem as FE. I am uploading some pics now. He thinks it is cal/mag def causing nute lockout. I am about to go add some cal/mag now. My roots are browning more and the leaves look sad now. I just did a defol while I was in there. Any help would be appreciated.
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Guys, I need help. I think that I have the same problem as FE. I am uploading some pics now. He thinks it is cal/mag def causing nute lockout. I am about to go add some cal/mag now. My roots are browning more and the leaves look sad now. I just did a defol while I was in there. Any help would be appreciated.
Really the best thing to do at this point is monitor it. You did a res change. See how it responds. I can tell you I have buds today and didn't 2 days ago.. new white roots that weren't there. So watch roots in a day or so for white ones. And monitor leaf spreading.. Check your PH and PPM's and make sure they are good... Light.. If you need too if you think they are high then swap out just the Res with PH'd only water and let it mix. Mellowing out the hot if i think it is a cause. Run lighter nutes but all the supplements when in stress.
Just some ideas I have been thinking of but really you aren't losing the grow. They are taking a beating slightly but there is plenty of time and just monitor it.
Sleep well and time will tell you if you've cured it.
FE
Really the best thing to do at this point is monitor it. You did a res change. See how it responds. I can tell you I have buds today and didn't 2 days ago.. new white roots that weren't there. So watch roots in a day or so for white ones. And monitor leaf spreading.. Check your PH and PPM's and make sure they are good... Light.. If you need too if you think they are high then swap out just the Res with PH'd only water and let it mix. Mellowing out the hot if i think it is a cause. Run lighter nutes but all the supplements when in stress.
Just some ideas I have been thinking of but really you aren't losing the grow. They are taking a beating slightly but there is plenty of time and just monitor it.
Sleep well and time will tell you if you've cured it.
FE
I agree with FE. Give it some time to work its magic. I think your plants look fine and don't appear to be locked out. As long as your temps are in the desired range 65-70 and you are running enough DM Zone you should be fine.
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Thanks guys for your encouragement and support. It helps. I kind of freaked out when I opened the tent at 11 pm before sleep, and saw all the curved under leaves and droopy stems. I have checked the roots of all of the plants. They really are not bad with the browning. The worst is PPP2 and even it is not too bad. Tut2 is almost ivory white so she is good to go.
Let me be honest and say that I added 100 mL of DM zone to the res last night as well as 150 mL of cal/mag. This was before I got the great advice to calm down and not freak. My PPM before adding anything was 440. So it really is low for this stage of growth. I did that on purpose because I wanted to continue adding small amounts of nutes every 48 hours over the next 2 weeks. This past week they seemed to be doing really well when I was doing that. I kinda wanted to keep that up. So now the PPM are 650 which is still a little low for this stage. According to feed charts I should be anywhere from 600 - 1000 depending on which one you look at.
I also took the lights off of the timer last night and have them back on a 24 hour schedule. I also left the recirc pump on the whole night. Did I mention that I probably maybe over reacted? Well the good news is that almost all of the leaf curling is gone. There are a couple of fan leaves on a couple of the plants that are still curved a bit. All in all they look about 75% better than they did last night.
Ok, time for an update about the tops. Topping was a HUGE success! Seven days ago I topped all but PPP4 and Tut2. PPP4 got topped about 30 hours later. Tut2 still is not topped but I think it will get topped on Monday. On PPP1 the top now has two stems and unfolded set of leaves. It is by far the most developed. All the others are still growing stems and have leaves that are unfolding. I have not taken pics. I will post some pics tomorrow in the am.
I am promising myself to leave the res alone, and let the system go back to autopilot. I will be checking the pumps and meters and that really is about it. I will pick up the dehumidifier sometime this weekend. I just hate going to the big box stores on the weekends. Everyone have a great weekend and happy growing.
Let me be honest and say that I added 100 mL of DM zone to the res last night as well as 150 mL of cal/mag. This was before I got the great advice to calm down and not freak. My PPM before adding anything was 440. So it really is low for this stage of growth. I did that on purpose because I wanted to continue adding small amounts of nutes every 48 hours over the next 2 weeks. This past week they seemed to be doing really well when I was doing that. I kinda wanted to keep that up. So now the PPM are 650 which is still a little low for this stage. According to feed charts I should be anywhere from 600 - 1000 depending on which one you look at.
I also took the lights off of the timer last night and have them back on a 24 hour schedule. I also left the recirc pump on the whole night. Did I mention that I probably maybe over reacted?
Well the good news is that almost all of the leaf curling is gone. There are a couple of fan leaves on a couple of the plants that are still curved a bit. All in all they look about 75% better than they did last night. Ok, time for an update about the tops. Topping was a HUGE success! Seven days ago I topped all but PPP4 and Tut2. PPP4 got topped about 30 hours later. Tut2 still is not topped but I think it will get topped on Monday. On PPP1 the top now has two stems and unfolded set of leaves. It is by far the most developed. All the others are still growing stems and have leaves that are unfolding. I have not taken pics. I will post some pics tomorrow in the am.
I am promising myself to leave the res alone, and let the system go back to autopilot. I will be checking the pumps and meters and that really is about it. I will pick up the dehumidifier sometime this weekend. I just hate going to the big box stores on the weekends. Everyone have a great weekend and happy growing.
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Think twice at least before acting once! Maybe think a few more times before acting.
Logically, if you just added a fresh batch of nutes how could they be deficient in anything? Only if your pH was radically off the mark like 3 or 9 would a problem of any kind arise in such a short time. Was likely just their response to a change at all. I wouldn't have even done one dump at this stage and not likely until I was 2 weeks after the flip. This is why I like my little tubs. Only 35 - 50 liters to worry about and only the air pump that can go wrong. With the dual outlet pumps I've never had both sides fail at once yet and that's after 14 years of doing DWC.
Your plants could probably handle 1000ppm now but I'd go up in stages of 100 with 2 days in between boosts. You should do something like top up the rez with water, check the ppm then add 25ml of A&B, wait for it to circulate well then test the ppm. Then you will know for sure how much that amount raises your ppm and can adjust accordingly. I kind of gessitmate it but always end up close to where I want it and hitting the mark dead on isn't that important. Just don't want to be at 1500 when you are aiming for 1000. lol
I don't know about that DM stuff but 150ml of CalMag sounds like too much to me. Shouldn't really need any for a while after adding fresh nutes. Try topping up with water and checking ppm then wait 2 full days, top up again and check the ppm to see how much it drops. Then divide by 2 to know how much they are actually eating per day. Do that after you flip to flower too to see how much more they eat per day during stretch. The drop should really increase a lot a week after flipping then go way down as stretch slows and they settle into just growing the buds.
They're looking real good now so relax a bit and let them do their thing.
L8r
Logically, if you just added a fresh batch of nutes how could they be deficient in anything? Only if your pH was radically off the mark like 3 or 9 would a problem of any kind arise in such a short time. Was likely just their response to a change at all. I wouldn't have even done one dump at this stage and not likely until I was 2 weeks after the flip. This is why I like my little tubs. Only 35 - 50 liters to worry about and only the air pump that can go wrong. With the dual outlet pumps I've never had both sides fail at once yet and that's after 14 years of doing DWC.
Your plants could probably handle 1000ppm now but I'd go up in stages of 100 with 2 days in between boosts. You should do something like top up the rez with water, check the ppm then add 25ml of A&B, wait for it to circulate well then test the ppm. Then you will know for sure how much that amount raises your ppm and can adjust accordingly. I kind of gessitmate it but always end up close to where I want it and hitting the mark dead on isn't that important. Just don't want to be at 1500 when you are aiming for 1000. lol
I don't know about that DM stuff but 150ml of CalMag sounds like too much to me. Shouldn't really need any for a while after adding fresh nutes. Try topping up with water and checking ppm then wait 2 full days, top up again and check the ppm to see how much it drops. Then divide by 2 to know how much they are actually eating per day. Do that after you flip to flower too to see how much more they eat per day during stretch. The drop should really increase a lot a week after flipping then go way down as stretch slows and they settle into just growing the buds.
They're looking real good now so relax a bit and let them do their thing.
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LOL...OMU giving good advice and calm words as always. I am watching them today to see how they are doing. They look good. Will check again tonight to see if they continue doing well. I have to get back to football now. Thanks for stopping by and keeping us straight.
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Ok, I am finished watching football for now. Went to the tent and saw a couple of dried up, upward curled leaves on the big girls. These leaves had some damage from the fungicide that I applied a few days ago. They were the ones that looked the worst for wear shortly after that application. I am guessing that after last night's stress (whatever was causing it) just was too much for them. I thought it was time to defol them so I did.
I also was peeking into the buckets looking for new roots. I found them on a few of the plants. I am sure that the three I did not see them on will come in time. I also took the time to do a little light defol on a couple of the plants. I was trying to clean up the lower branches that were very close to the hydroton or the bucket lid.
WW1 looks really funny now. However the 2 new tops are growing very well on her. The WW's seem to be liking life at the moment. PPP4 is starting to worry me. She is just not getting big leaves. She has a bunch of small leaves and they have been there for about 4 days. Other than the tops she just does not seem to be growing at all, or at least growing slowly. The Tuts are doing well. However Tut1's new tops are the least developed and the new leaves look kinda funny. She has excellent over all growth, just not impressed with her top. Tut2 has her 7th set of leaves showing now. They are tiny, but I am hoping I will be able to top her tomorrow or Monday.
Here are the pics I took this evening. First up are the Tuts
Next are PPP1 and 2
PPP3 and 4
And last are the WW.
Went to the tent and saw a couple of dried up, upward curled leaves on the big girls. These leaves had some damage from the fungicide that I applied a few days ago. They were the ones that looked the worst for wear shortly after that application. I am guessing that after last night's stress (whatever was causing it) just was too much for them. I thought it was time to defol them so I did.I also was peeking into the buckets looking for new roots. I found them on a few of the plants. I am sure that the three I did not see them on will come in time. I also took the time to do a little light defol on a couple of the plants. I was trying to clean up the lower branches that were very close to the hydroton or the bucket lid.
WW1 looks really funny now. However the 2 new tops are growing very well on her. The WW's seem to be liking life at the moment. PPP4 is starting to worry me. She is just not getting big leaves. She has a bunch of small leaves and they have been there for about 4 days. Other than the tops she just does not seem to be growing at all, or at least growing slowly. The Tuts are doing well. However Tut1's new tops are the least developed and the new leaves look kinda funny. She has excellent over all growth, just not impressed with her top. Tut2 has her 7th set of leaves showing now. They are tiny, but I am hoping I will be able to top her tomorrow or Monday.
Here are the pics I took this evening. First up are the Tuts
Next are PPP1 and 2
PPP3 and 4
And last are the WW.
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Sorry to hear about your pump failure M9. I think China should manufacture all their products with iPhone quality instead of sub-par poo poo. But a $10 pump from the chain store is just a $3 pump in China. And without China... I guess an aquarium air pump would be $100 
Bitter sweet consumer world...
The Ganja : They are young
They will forgive you and live on
Just remember friend, after week 4 of flower there is no forgiveness from these women!!
They perked up so that's a nice development! Keep it up Bama, dial it in and you will sail through 9 weeks of buds in your face
V
Bitter sweet consumer world...
The Ganja : They are young
They will forgive you and live on
Just remember friend, after week 4 of flower there is no forgiveness from these women!!
They perked up so that's a nice development! Keep it up Bama, dial it in and you will sail through 9 weeks of buds in your face
V
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Vlad thanks for stopping by again. I was glad to see your update in your journal as well. Lil scorchy is plugging along nicely.
Yeah the pump fail ticked me off. The back up cheap air pump (same model as the last one that broke. I bought two of them) also died last night. Just up and quit for no reason. That was a colosal waste of money getting those two pumps. I replaced it with the same model I bought last time. Those pumps are bigger same noise (very little) and seem to put out more air. I just hope they last longer than 2 months. So I have lost 2 air pumps and one water pump in 2 months. China sucks.
Yeah the pump fail ticked me off. The back up cheap air pump (same model as the last one that broke. I bought two of them) also died last night. Just up and quit for no reason. That was a colosal waste of money getting those two pumps. I replaced it with the same model I bought last time. Those pumps are bigger same noise (very little) and seem to put out more air. I just hope they last longer than 2 months. So I have lost 2 air pumps and one water pump in 2 months. China sucks.
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