1st Hydro - LED Grow With Crop King White Widow From Seed

[Bamalabrat]

Well tonight I went in and took a peak, they look great. I am so very happy that they are happy and are growing. Here are the pics:
First up are the Tuts

Next up are the PPP 1 and 2

Did a group pic because I did not want to open that side of the tent so here are the WW and PPP 3 and 4. WW's are on the left and the PPP's are on the right.

Now I did get curious to see if anything was growing on the tops. There were a couple of real small green specs growing on either side of the cut. I am hopeful that this is 2 new tops growing in. I believe it is.
However while I was nose to leaf in there looking at the tops, I saw that on PPP3 there was some damage to a finger leaf. I looked at it and there were circular pieces missing out of the left and right side of the "middle" finger of this big fan leaf. IT HAS TO BE BUG DAMAGE! Holy bat guano. Just this morning I was saying how nothing was eating them and they look good. Now something is in there making salads out of my PPP!. I am going to stay up another 2 hours, and then give the whole damn grow a good soaking in insecticide to kill what ever little demon is in there. I went over every leaf in there and only that leaf is damaged. I did not find any caterpillars or inch worms or anything like that. But I will be keeping an eye out for all of them.
Because of this I also went looking to see if my wife had moved any more of her plants into my tent. She had not, so we are still married. In the back of my mind I am blaming this on her darn sweet basil plant. I know it could have been anything, but that damn plant should never have been in my tent. I will stop whining now. Let me say thank you to everyone that comes to this journal and for all the other growers out there that have posted journals and advice. Really appreciate it.

 

[Bamalabrat]

I am going to take a minute and update my goals that I had for this grow. In the beginning of the grow I laid out some things I wanted to accomplish with this grow. So now that we are getting close to the end of the veg stage (about 3 or 4 weeks) I thought I would update my goals.
So here is what I said in the beginning:
I would like to list my priorities for this grow at this time. I will also list my metrics that I will be using to judge the relative success/failure of the grow.
1) To successfully complete the grow. Check
A. Successfully germinate seeds. Check
B. Successfully complete a vegetative cycle.
C. Successfully complete a flower cycle.
2) To attempt to use best practices for hydro grows and indoor gardens
A. Use a Scrog to fully use up available square meters of space (9.7 meters square)
B. Keep canopy at an even level across the space.
C. Evaluate the effectiveness of the very expensive yield booster supplement by using it on half of the plants and using the other half as control. Not applicable any more.
D. Use the flush method 2 weeks before harvest.
E. Use a microscope to examine the tricome's to judge when to harvest and achieve the desired effects of the "high"
3) Gain experience and have fun Check and still ongoing

That the nutrients are effective and are of a high quality. Will still evaluate this even though I am using different nutes.

 

[CCOiler]

Watch Bamalabrat have fun............CHECK.

 

[Bamalabrat]

So that updates a few things. One of the biggest things is I changed the nutes from Canna to Advanced Nutrients. The other thing is I changed from using 2 separate res's with four grow sites attached to each res, to just using one res for all the grow sites. So that meant I was not going to continue with a control group. It really would have been cool to have been able to do those things but I did what I had to because of reality.

Speaking of reality, looking back, I did not appreciate how much difficulty I was going to have with the germination process. I also did not realize that vegging 4 plants and pulling clones off of them would have made it impossible to flower all of them at the same time. So with just 6 weeks experience under my belt, I can already go back and read my first few posts and laugh.

This has been a really fun experience and I know it will continue to be so. I very much look forward to the flowering period but even before then, I will try my hand at cloning in FE's DIY clonner. Also I will need to be putting the screen up in a week or so. It will depend on what the new tops start doing. I will not be to concerned about filling in the screen anymore. I am more concerned about timelines now. With the epic fail of the first round of germination and then the subsequent germinations being spread out over a couple of weeks, it will just take up too much time to wait for that to happen. I know this means smaller yields but that is fine. I am not doing this for commercial reasons. It would just be nice to see how much I can produce.

 

[Bamalabrat]

So here is a question for the gallery: Should I top Tut2 now? It would be 4 days after I topped the others, so that is not a huge difference. Or should I wait for the next set of leaves? I am leaning towards topping now, but do not want to hurt her growth. She really is in her stride right now. Here are a couple of pics to help you decide.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Oh and before I forget, this morning I did add 60 mL of A/B and B-52. Just wanted to up the PPM's a bit as well as "freshen" up the nutes. Will continue to monitor them to see if they like it. If they do, I will probably keep doing that over the next couple of weeks. Just add a bit at a time to increase PPM's and freshen up the solution, instead of adding 200 mL of A/B like the feed chart says to do every week. I will say that all the plants seem to have really enjoyed the last few days, so I really do not want to make any big changes. I just want to keep adding small changes and judging the reactions from the girls.

 

[Far East Buds]

Vlad, so glad to have you back. I left a comment in your journal. Sorry to hear about the seedling.
Yes I plan on taking two clones from each plant.

Take four and grow the best two completely. The lowest branches if you sorta lollipop will be easy to grab a group of 4


Then I will flip. After I sex the plants in flower, any males will be discarded as well as their clones. I will then veg the rooted clones the whole time of the flowering period. That should be 7-9 weeks. So that is basically a 2 month veg for all my clones. They will be nice and big and bushy. They move into the flower tent, they will be cloned and then flipped. Rinse, repeat. This way no more waiting for the germination and slow veg, training stage. Just nonstop nug production. lol

Why not throw 2 in half way through flower? Pull clones off them to veg perpetual, You could easily do every 4 weeks.The harvest would be immense with 2 months veg but I like a variety so it would tie up my gear too long ;/.

Well that is the dream and the goal. I am quite confident we can get there. I love efficiency and I love variety. I do have some other strains that I want to try out. But I may wait until next year for them. If I get tired of say the WW for example. I would then germinate another strain. I have the Purple Kush seeds and really am curious to try it, but I will exercise some restraint and leave it to next fall. Next year may be the year of blue and purple. Or something like that. With online seed banks and world wide delivery, it is very exciting to look at all the different possibilities.
The theme of this grow is Couch Lock. The theme of next year might be purps. I like the idea of that.
Thanks for stopping by and welcome back!

You need to make all this your goal this year! I debated just popping seeds repeatedly and not cloning for a year or two. Seeds are relatively cheap in the grand scheme of things and a new variety popping every few weeks with a back up supply for the ones that become must haves is easy to get these days. That would be a new variety every 4 weeks to try. In my system that's two seeds at 10 -15 bucks a piece. Not bad really. That being said like my cloner? I need to be able to and this is the time to get it down with no pressure on it. When I get to a point I would like 6-10 strains in cloning/ mother... vegging ..at a time..
All this could change any time.


FE


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[Bamalabrat]

Watch Bamalabrat have fun............CHECK.

Thanks RSOiler! I have been having a time. Thanks for following along.

 

[Far East Buds]

So here is a question for the gallery: Should I top Tut2 now? It would be 4 days after I topped the others, so that is not a huge difference. Or should I wait for the next set of leaves? I am leaning towards topping now, but do not want to hurt her growth. She really is in her stride right now. Here are a couple of pics to help you decide.

Can i get a side pic of the Beaut ?

 

[Bamalabrat]

Sure thing FE. It will come in the morning. I am about to turn in early. I am flat wore out today. She does not show any growth under the canopy at the moment. Tut1 started showing undergrowth at three weeks, so that would be another 5 days for Tut2.

I appreciate your comments. I understand what you are saying about variety of smoke. I mean that is a big part of why I am doing this. I want to smoke the best stuff I can get my hands on and would like to smoke just about all of the ones I read about. lol. However, I will not grow in the summers here. So that means about 5 or 6 months out of the year I will not be harvesting. That means what I do grow I would like to "stockpile" a bit of it and just swap out a couple of strains here and there. The theme of this one is Couch Lock. Next year might be the year of the Purps. But right now, I am thinking I would like to try to clone (One more feather in my cap) and sex these plants. Once I have verified females and verified winners, I will grow just those. I like your idea about taking four off of each one, but that will be way too many clones for me.

Another reason why I would like to veg for 2 months, is I would like to have a beauty queen for POM I would really like to just see how much I can produce in my tent. If I am producing 4 OZ per plant, I am more than happy. But for bragging rights, I would love to see if I can get those 400 gr and higher numbers. The marketing for the Tut says 1500gr/seed! I have no idea how they are getting that number (Over 3lbs), but I will say that LA's grow of the Tut was freaking epic. It is all for fun and experience and that is what I think I want to do at this time. I could be wrong and will change my mind in about 10 seconds.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Ok I took some pics this morning. I want to say that when I opened the tent the plants were bigger. Like they had a little stretch over the night. I was surprised. Also I am going to show the Tut2 top pic again. It is showing a new set of leaves that were not there yesterday. Serious, something just inspired the whole grow to do a little extra last night.

So here is the top and side pics of Tut2.

 

[Bamalabrat]

I am really leaning towards topping her with that new set of leaves, but am open to others opinions who have way more experience than I when it comes to training plants.

Now I was not going to add pics of the other girls but, with the unexpected growth spurt last night I could not help myself. So here they are.

First up are the Tuts

Next is PPP 1 and 2. 1 is the top one:

Now for PPP 3 and 4 with 3 on the top

And last are the WW 1 and 2. 1 is on top

 

[Far East Buds]

Ok I took some pics this morning. I want to say that when I opened the tent the plants were bigger. Like they had a little stretch over the night. I was surprised. Also I am going to show the Tut2 top pic again. It is showing a new set of leaves that were not there yesterday. Serious, something just inspired the whole grow to do a little extra last night.

So here is the top and side pics of Tut2.

I would wait myself on the Tut. Maybe even another week. The fans are getting there but vertical is still low some. On my grow one plant is smaller and I can see where I want to top it now but I want to wait til tonight maybe more for a tiny more stretch for a cleaner top. That being said I didn't like my tops branching out so low to the pot in my last grow ( i topped early). Sort of preference too as in my grow once everything grows above the tops and up I plant to defol all the stuff below the tops. 4 -6 big cola's

Just my opinion.

The others look awesome... Are they wet or is that leaf damage? Powder? I didn't notice that before? Around the edges of all the leaves... I've seen your plants and don't recall that...just curious what it is.

That Tut from what you have said is a unique strain I would treat it different. Kinda when I do sour diesel in the future. 12 week flower so it needs to be done a little different. With the yields you where talking about i am sure it won't follow same pattern or can possibly be disrupted easier.. be patient with it. I forgot how quick they all catch up to each other and stuff once the fans all happen and in flower. Even if topped different. Once cranking the Tut will be lower on the light scale and will try to catch up in height. My flower tent popped after just 8 days and the plants have doubled in leaves etc. More growth than all of veg already.

Rambling...



FE

 

[Bamalabrat]

The white powdery stuff on all of the leaves was from when I sprayed the anti-fungal/insecticide. That is the residue that it leaves behind. It makes it look like there is some powder on it. The good news is that there are no more damaged leaves. I am going to be taking a couple of more leaves from the plants with the fungus on it. Just to get them out of the tent. The fungus seems to only be affecting the biggest oldest of the fan leaves.

I am really trying to think about when to top the Tut. That one is tough. I really like the stage the Tut1 was at when it got topped. I am thinking that I might want to wait for 2 more sets of leaves before topping. That is probably on like 7 or 8 more days. I am going to go ahead and wait.

All of the other plants have a lot of new growth going on in the understory (below the canopy). It will be really easy to pull clones from there when the time comes.

I am making my list for supplements and equipment needed for flowering and cloning. Almost done with it and will be picking it up this weekend most probably. Want to make sure that I have everything I need in place when the time comes. Starting to get excited again about this grow. We are getting close to the flowering stage. That will be pretty cool.

Hope everyone has a great day.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Here is Tut1

Here is Tut2

Now here are the PPP's in order from 1 - 4

PPP2 is the one whose roots I looked at.

And lastly here are my WW's. WW2 is showing something growing on it's lower nodes. I believe that they are leaves. I did not notice them yesterday but tonight they are noticeable just not big enough to make out what it is.
WW1

WW2

I just wanted to repost these pics from 13 days ago. It is freaking awesome to see the amount of growth from just 13 days. I am having a hard time trying to visualize what they will look like come Oct 8.

 

[sciguy]

cloning is so much fun! I'm subbed! how far away is your light from your plants? Cloning is easy, I use a 5 gallon storage container as a cloner, drill some holes in the lid for netpots, a hole for air tubing, fill it with 2.5 gallons RO water and 80ml of the Clonex solution, not the gel, ph the solution and that's all you need till it roots, then transplant and use regular nutrients after transplant. 100% success rate so far. Take the clones from the lower branches, cut about 2 inches off so you can trim it up and skin the back of the cutting to help root faster. stick it in the presoaked rockwool and put it in the netpot. cut off the tips of the fan leaves and done, Super easy, you will see. I made a mountain out of a mole hill out of it when I first started, Good luck with everything and cant wait to see how these ladies turn out.

 

[Bamalabrat]

I just took some more pics of a couple of the plants. I tried to get a shot of the topped sites. There is new growth there. It looks like new leaf sites but I guess that is what it is supposed to look like. I have never topped a plant before so this is a new process for me. I am pretty excited to see what it does.

Anyway here are the pics

And here is a side shot of Tut1. She responded to getting topped by just going ape with the understory growth. lol

 

[sciguy]

yeah those new leafs are the new growth, each one of those will become a new growth shoot! Great job! in a couple more days they will really start to establish themselves. Gotta love topping and fimming. But if you monster crop you don't have to do either one and you get a plant that looks like its been topped or fimmed a few times. Just a thought to keep in mind.

 

[Bamalabrat]

I have the lights hanging at 23 inches above the buckets. My tallest plant is 6 inches and my shortest is 3 inches. So 17 - 20 inches above the canopy at the moment. Just going to let the continue to grow into the light. I would not mind a bit of stretch now. I have 4 more feet of vertical they can go. I plan on putting the screen at the 12 inch mark above the buckets so they are only half way to that mark.

 

[Bamalabrat]

System failure again. So I was out in the tent to take the ppm and pH. I went to turn off the recirc pump but it was not on. Funny, it should be on why is it not. So I checked the ppm and it said 1270 ppm! WTF!?! How is that possible? I take the lid off of the res and the recirc pump was dead. Ok, so the water has not been circulating. Should not be the end of the world. Replaced the crap pump with my big boy pump. Water was recirculating just fine now. However the temp meter shot up to 75 degrees because now the buckets were flowing again into the res. So who knows. The water in the last two buckets was probably close to 80. And guess what is slimy now. Yup the hoses and inside of the res was slimy. Started looking in the other buckets and there is some slime in them as well. I admit the slime was not bad. Very little. But that had to have been what was gumming up my PPM.

So now that my pump is working and my chiller is trying to cool the water down again, do I need to do a res dump? Or just add some more DM zone? If I add the DM zone it will raise my ppm again and I am not sure that is a great idea. I looked at the roots of all the plants and most of the roots were still white but there was some obvious browning in places. I am about to throw the whole res out and do a flush and refill tomorrow. This is not supposed to be happening. The damn pump is only 2 months old.

Well any advice or opinions would be helpful. I will plan on dumping in the morning unless someone can come up with a good reason not to. Other than that the plants look good still. I caught this early so that is a win. Also this was the last day in the forecast with mid 80's in it. The next 10 days looks to be just perfect fall weather. Low to mid 70's and upper 50's. To bad it only lasts for a month. I miss northern Cali. They have perfect weather year round. Must be why the Cali genetics are so superb. They can grow all the time

Thanks for stopping by and please do not mind me whining about stuff. I whine and stress. It's what I do.