1st Hydro - LED Grow With Crop King White Widow From Seed

[Far East Buds]

No credit for it but glad I mention it. You probably had it on the brain somewhere and where looking for it..

FE

 

[Bamalabrat]

Ok so I went to sleep last night. I took some pics this morning and will post them now. Thanks everyone for stopping by.
First up are the WW's. WW1 I tried to get a shot at the lower leaf sites.

and now WW2

Next up are my PPP's. Just some top shots.

and now for the Tuts. They will not be my "little" Tuts much longer

 

[Bamalabrat]

Also do not forget to vote in this months contests! OMFG there are just some real beauties. I almost could not make up my mind. I especially loved the NOM entries. For the POM I never know really how to judge a plant to say if it is better than another. I will say this month that there are some great looking plants with some wild training. Have fun looking at the pics.

 

[Bdub420]

BAMA I know you have invested so much into your system but have you ever thought about trying Coco to start? Very uncomplicated form of hydroponics and very easy to deal with plus you get to spend more time with the plants if that's what you like. Very rapid growth rate just like a normal hydro setup but no reservoir or pumps or hoses to deal with. Just a thought I'm having a lot of success with coco.

 

[VladimirPutin]

I think Bama is one of the trail blazers here, an uphill battle against all odds in order to reach the holy grail of cannabis growing that leaves the grower with whalloping sized DD buds that leave the competition with their jaws on the floor in awe.

Hey, Bama bought a lot, but I think he cherry picked only the best things.

There are crazy kits out there running $1000 and up which are all in one hydro solutions. But where's the challenge? DIY or go home we say.

I use coco in my net pots. It's great for starting seeds. But then the roots drop down into my DWC and it's a totally new game at that point.

Growing coco soil style is easy peasy, but when it comes harvest time, that's a lot of coco to recycle or just throw down the toilet. That's what's great about DWC. You have a system that needs little cleaning for the next grow to begin.

And looking at the roots is fun. You'd be surprised how taproots can reach pencil thickness and beyond. Pearly white or ivory is what we want.

The roots are your plants intestinal tract.

My 1st hydro attempt was utter crap, but my 2nd grow which finished a month ago was far ahead in terms of progress. I hope to nail it hard this grow

Vlad

EDIT. For those of us who have been getting high for decades, it's not just about having the duff around, it's about growing uber buds and being a king.

Nothing like having the humble servants around you begging for some kingdom weed in exchange for their slave wages and loyalty to the throne

 

[Bamalabrat]

Bdub thanks for stopping by. I considered Coco for a quick second. I really wanted to try hydro. It is something that I had thought about on and off for a while. I was just interested in the whole process and thinking. As a side note, I am very interested in Aquaponics as well. So this is like a building block of experience for me. I would love to really figure this out and then get a full on aquaponics setup going in the future. Not thinking of aquaponics for cannabis per se, but I do like growing my own spices and herbs and stuff like that. Plus, in my household we love fish! So having fresh fish and veggies and stuff would be awesome.
So yeah, I considered coco and soil but just my interests lie with hydro at the moment. So if the darn system and plants would cooperate with me that would be great.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Thanks Vlad!
I did spend some money (I don't want to dwell on it ) but I wanted to give myself a chance at success given my lack of experience. It was what gave me the confidence to try.
I have learned so much in these few weeks that would have saved me some time and money, but that is experience for you. You can learn tons from these forums, but until you try it is very difficult, at least for me, to develop a full appreciation for the process.
I am so glad I started this. It really has been fun and challenging. I also love being part of this community with all of these great growers. The credit will be all OMU's, Chronic's, Vlad's, FE's, and so many others for the success of this grow.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Ok so a quick word on the plants.
They are really doing well. Getting very green and bushy! I am very excited to see them getting to the bushy phase. All of those little leaf sites that have been so hard to get a good pic of should not be that hard in a day or two. Those little leaves are getting pretty big now. None of them have branches per se but they are opening up very nicely. I was doing some very gentle lst to them this evening. Just opening up the interior and encouraging them to grow those little leaves out. I will have to start thinking about getting some ties or wire or something to start holding stuff down and things like that.
Speaking of planning my training and when to start attempting things; I was going back in the internet trying to find examples of grows for the PPP and the Tut. I can not find a single grow journal for either one. However, during my searches I had a hit here on 420.com for the PPP and it was this journal! lol I got a kick off of seeing my journal title on a google search result. Then I became paranoid as f****. The most relevant result for the Tut was also a 420 forum question from one of the growers on here who I am subb'ed to and absolutely love his current grow, LA! I could not believe it. He asked a question about the Tut back in 2013. I read the answers and there was only like 4 responses to his question and nobody had grown it, they were kind of useless. So I sent LA a pm and asked him if he ever got any answers or if he tried to grow it and what he thought about it. LA was great. He said that it is finicky about nutes and to keep an eye out for that. He also said that it was a great strain for training. So it was ok to get extreme on it. This is why it is so important to have accomplished experienced growers that you trust in your corner. That business about them being ok for training was the opposite of what I read on another strain review website. That site said specifically that you should not top the Tut as it did not like it. I will certainly take LA's advice over some random internet post. So a very big TY to LA.
So here is where the plants stand tonight. The WW's can be topped at any time. The PPP's can be topped on the next set of leaves so that is anywhere from 2-3 days from now. Tut1 should be ready for topping after it's next set of leaves. She is currently on set 4, so I would be topping her on her 6th set. Now Tut2 is putting out it's third set of leaves. They started to show last night and are still very tiny. She is about a full week, possibly week and half from being able to be topped. I am thinking, just to keep it easy for me to track, that I will top everyone but Tut2 as soon as Tut1 shows her 6th set of leaves. If anyone thinks that there is a better method of doing this or a timing trick or old growers advice, please feel free to chime in. More than likely I will be topping on Friday or Saturday so you have some time to say something. I have gone back n forth about whether to attempt another FIM or just go with topping. I am thinking I will just do the topping. I did not have any success with it on WW2 the last time I tried. So I want a win this time. I will do probably 2 toppings per plant. With that in mind I am saying that I want to be able to flip in 3 - 4 weeks. It will depend on how big my girls get. Getting bushy and then getting topped should really encourage the bushing and that is a good thing in my mind.
Anywho just thought I would put these thoughts out there and see what kind of feed back I get. All comments welcomed and encouraged. Thanks to everyone for stopping by and hope you have a great hump-day tomorrow!

 

[Bamalabrat]

Update time.
pH ~6
PPM 640 (I added 20mL of A/B and 10 mL of B-52 on Monday morning I forgot to write that in here)
Res Temps 64 - 70 across the system.
Air Temps 60 - 86 (It is only hot for a couple of hours in late afternoon.)
Now these are pretty good numbers. I would be happy as a frog near water if there was not something bad happening to my WW1! Here are some pics. The first one is yesterday morning and the second is from this morning about 26 hours later.

I started going through all the diseases and deficiencies charts and can not pinpoint what this is. I started looking at everything else. WW2 is starting to show this in a couple of places and so are PPP3 and 4. The others are not. So at first I was thinking maybe they wanted more nutes. But that does not make sense since the other PPP and Tut1 are all about the same age and development. I started to fear about root rot. I opened up the buckets to have a peek inside and the roots are very white and every thing smells pretty nice. Well at least not rotten. I am not a big fan of how the B-52 smells, it stinks, but every thing else is not bad. However I noticed that there was no air bubbles in the buckets for all four of the affected plants. Sure enough the air pump for them was dead! Piece of crap cheap rip off pump! The other four plants (that use a separate air pump) had bubbles and as a side note all but Tut2 had very nice white roots showing
So My question to anyone is was that my only problem? Low dissolved oxygen content in those four buckets? It went from looking pretty minor to OMG this morning my plant is dieing! Thanks for having a look. Here are the pics of everything else. I went ahead and took pics of them all while I had the camera out and was in the tent.
WW2

PPP 1 - 4

And now Tut1 and 2

Thanks for looking guys.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Update time again.
The browning is growing on the WW's and PPP4. There is also some on one leaf of Tut1. There was some on it Tut1 yesterday but just a little bit. There is still just a little bit on it but it has gotten a bit bigger.
I am hoping that people had time to look at it and think that it is ok. That there is nothing I need to do. But I have to admit that I am concerned and would really appreciate a second opinion.
I feel like I should top a couple of the plants. But I want to make sure they are healthy enough for training.
Ok so this morning I checked pH and ppm's and here are the results. pH ~5.8 and PPM's are 620. I believe the PPM went up because some water has evaporated this week and that is making the PPM's rise a little. I replaced about a half gallon of pH'd water that had about 180 PPM. It was just plain water no nutes were added. So I will check the PPM's in a little bit and see what I have now.
Here are some pics of each plant. They are still growing. It is 24 hours from the last pics. So anyone can do a quick comparison from yesterday to today. Thanks and have a great day everyone.
Starting off with the Tuts

Now the PPP's

And now the WW's

 

[Bamalabrat]

Ok so I was looking over the deficiencies forum and causes and symptoms. I went back over the pics and looked in my tent for a while. I have come to some conclusions.
1) I have a cal/mag deficiency in the bigger plants along with a general nute deficiency.
2) It was a mistake to pop the second Tut seed and try to slow the whole grow down for that one plant. Slowing the others is starving them of nutes and putting the whole grow at risk.
3) I have decided that I will start increasing the nutes by 25mL every other day to get the plants back to full and vigorous health (10mL of A/B and 5 mL of B-52).
I will be keeping an eye on the PPM but really will not slow this down for Tut2 anymore. I do not have an insect or pest problem. I went through every leaf on every plant, top and bottom. I did not find anything. Every piece of equipment is working. My environmental ranges are also good. It does get a little hot in the afternoons but only for 6 hours. Even then it is not outrageous. So the only other conclusion was there was a problem with nutes. So now the Tut2 will have to grow very quickly while I am increasing the nutes or it will get burned and die. I hate the thought of having an empty bucket but the thought of having six empty buckets bothers me more. From what I understand of the Tut, it is a very fast grower, but it is also sensitive in the beginning to high nute levels. So maybe it is going to be able to handle the increases but maybe not. Time will tell. It is my hope that by doing small incremental increases every 48 hours that this will give the Tut a chance to adjust and grow very quickly while also providing the WW's and PPP's more food to support it's current growth rates. If I can get back to a balance between the big plants and the little ones, that would be awesome. But the difference between them may already be to great to overcome. They did have one week of balanced and everyone of them grew a bunch in those few days. You can look at the pics and see this to be true. But now the WW and PPP are looking for more to support all of the new leaves that they are putting on and just are not finding it in the hydro so they are cannibalizing their fan leaves. From what I have read, this is easy to reverse by just giving them some nutes, however I may lose quite a few of the leaves that have already been affected. But the newer leaves should recover and and growth should speed up again. I am running the risk of losing more leaves on the bigger plants by doing small incremental increases but I am hoping that it will be minimum. It would be nice to see the Tut2 go into overdrive and stay in this grow, but I am prepared to say good-bye to her if it comes to that.
Anyway these are my thoughts and conclusions. Please feel free to comment and advise. Thanks to everyone for stopping by.

 

[Far East Buds]

How long was your pump out?
How hot for 6 hours a day?
Are those the ones with the worse leaves or all the plants?
Adding some cal/mag or bumping up some probably won't hurt even if it doesn't need it from what I have been told.
Did it all happen right after the pump out bad for 24 hours now slow down?
Things don't look horrible.. Your not losing the grow.. New leaves are showing up still green .. it is getting at least some of what it needs.
If the pump was out say 24 hours and you hurt them from that it will be bad and damage what it did but all your new growth will still come in nice if you correct it. Later if the leaves totally fizzle those ones.. i would cut em off but is always the debate.. I would only if they look really dead myself but do defol a healthy plant moderately. I look at it this way if they are doing something positive in photosynthesis early like this i would keep it. If it is so burnt it is taking more for plant to try to keep it .. gone...
I wouldn't go any higher than say 800 ppm on nutes... not knowing the tuts as well as you .. just use discretion if people say it is sensitive.. 800 will support great growth in probably most plants. Just fresh batches regularly.

Look at the plant close and determine if any leaf problems are from here appearing on new leaves... then you need more correcting... If it is just the beat up leaves getting worse.. You may have fixed it...

Keep in mind bro these are all idea's I am far from qualified to even respond but noone else has and I am sure you are going nuts...



FE

 

[Bamalabrat]

FE I am so glad for your inputs man. You are really confirming for me a few things I was already thinking about taking the leaves. I am loath to cut the leaves because of how early it is for the plants, but some of those leaves are really bad. The four plants that were affected by the pump are doing really badly. I am just watching them right now. I have to say that tonight they all look better. I am going to go take the leaves off of them as soon as I post this. I will take some before and after shots.
As for how long, I am not sure. It has been at least a week since I last looked in the buckets. I do not normally look in them except once on the weekends. So could have been hours or days and that really sucks. I wish I knew.
It has been getting low 80's outside and inside my tent the highest it has gotten was 92. Tomorrow the high is projected to be 90 and then 88. After that it goes down to 81 and less for the foreseeable future. That can always change but it is consistent with historical norms for this time of year. If it is heat that is killing them, I am screwed. I will look at getting a bunch of bags of ice and and start placing them around the room. Maybe four bags every two hours in the afternoon for the next two days. I do not think if I got one of those cheap floor ac's would make a difference. They will just have to make it on their own for now.

 

[OldMedUser]

That looks more like some sort of fungal growth than a deficiency Bama. More air movement in the room might help. Your ppm is high enough for plants that size. I'm usually around 500 at that stage. With warmer temps there's more water moving through the plants and extra nutes go along with that. Burn can happen at lower ppms especially if the RH is low.

All in all it's looking pretty good so far.

L8r

 

[Far East Buds]

FE I am so glad for your inputs man. You are really confirming for me a few things I was already thinking about taking the leaves. I am loath to cut the leaves because of how early it is for the plants, but some of those leaves are really bad. The four plants that were affected by the pump are doing really badly. I am just watching them right now. I have to say that tonight they all look better. I am going to go take the leaves off of them as soon as I post this. I will take some before and after shots.
As for how long, I am not sure. It has been at least a week since I last looked in the buckets. I do not normally look in them except once on the weekends. So could have been hours or days and that really sucks. I wish I knew.
It has been getting low 80's outside and inside my tent the highest it has gotten was 92. Tomorrow the high is projected to be 90 and then 88. After that it goes down to 81 and less for the foreseeable future. That can always change but it is consistent with historical norms for this time of year. If it is heat that is killing them, I am screwed. I will look at getting a bunch of bags of ice and and start placing them around the room. Maybe four bags every two hours in the afternoon for the next two days. I do not think if I got one of those cheap floor ac's would make a difference. They will just have to make it on their own for now.

I only hit 92 for an overnight 12/12 and That's what happened to mine. some leaves just got really drooppy and some got spots like it burnt through. OMU could be right on in the fact that the temp could cause some fungus to be eating it. I have no clue or experience like he does. just know I did the same thing and you see what it looks like. Same looking leaves.. dang...

Anywho looks like they where very healthy when all that happened and they stood strong cause of it. you may see a little slow down on production but only for veg. Those do still look great.. Things i believe will be fine... . I would try the ice or something yah.. and definitely more air flow as omu said would be great.

Good grow Bama!


FE

 

[Bamalabrat]

Ok, fungus growth. After I clipped them last night and had a look at it I was thinking that it could be fungus as well. I just have little experience with that sort of thing. Sorry about not posting the pics last night. I got tired and went to bed. It takes a while to upload pics for some reason. I have pics loading now and will post them when it finishes.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Here are the before and after pics of the defol. I have a question about the fungus. I have a organic fungucide that I use on my veggies. Can I use the same stuff on my cannabis? Or is there something that I need to get for the C-plants?

 

[Bamalabrat]

Hey also a just a completely random thought, after I clipped the leaves they had this very minty smell to them. I really liked it. I probably spent 5 minutes smelling them and smiling too much. I admit fantasies of abundant fat nuggs sitting in glass jars filled my head while I was smelling them. I was also thinking how great it would be to get a minty taste with the buds. Any way it was just fun to smell them and dream.

 

[Far East Buds]

I just did almost the same thing... I really wonder if it is heat related if it is fungus cause mine look exactly the same and I have a super clean tent and washed plants before entering tent.. but dealt with those scorching temps..

regardless things still look great and hopefully it won't reoccur. Probably some slow growth for a few days from the defol... but they will pop in a few days if it was slowing them down.

looks good !


FE

 

[Bamalabrat]

Hey guys. So today was hot. Tomorrow is going to be hot. So pretty much until our northern cousins decide to share some of their cooler temps with us, it pretty much will be kinda hot to really hot for a while longer.
Tonight was date night, and I admit that I spent a lot of time worrying about the temps. And sure enough when I came back they had been hot.
Good news is, the damage was fungus. Asked a local friend what he thought and he said fungus as well. I sprayed this morning after heeding OMU's advice and I have to say that they do not look any worse tonight than they did this morning. I also can say that they are greening up. The light green is getting dark green. So I am taking that as really good news. BIG SHOUT OUT TO OMU! If I have not said it yet let me say it now OMU thanks for being part of my grow.
I am going to go check on the missus and will take pics tomorrow morning. I will get those pics posted in the morning and you guys will hear from me on Sunday. Big football day tomorrow. Lots of very interesting games going on. So yeah I will nerd rage at the teams/coaches/refs tomorrow. My boys are the late game and will pass out after the game. Gl to everyone's team tomorrow unless you are a certain team from Mississippi.