1st Hydro - LED Grow With Crop King White Widow From Seed

[Far East Buds]

I would think at this point up to 500PPM would all be good. I have two little ones in my perpetual that will get that amount very soon.... Be patient. OMU advice i would say is spot on. Not enough leaves yet. When they do get more is when they pop. Pics look good what ever they went through it looks like they are all rebounding well... You bumped the nutes. Watch for 24-48 hour plant reaction and respond accordingly. The others will catch up you will be surprised. Just keep them in veg until they are there.

Be patient your doing well


FE

I like to push the ppm's a little hard as long as the plant is ok with it til I hit 1000ppm then it reverses. I try to keep it at 1k and have to dilute a lot.(I use lucas formula with GH nutes)

150 ppm starting when i first feed... 300-450 for small seedlings... 700-800 for good healthy mid veg... 1k near flower... carries into flower for awhile... this time i will start dropping 2-3 weeks into flower slowly.. Less is more i think at the end. final few weeks 600-700 plus additives. Thats my plan...

keep in mind i am only 1 grow in ...ROFL take it all for what you may....


FE

 

[Bamalabrat]

No help or advice here... Just motivational speaking. You've been working your ass off! Looking forward to following this one. Was looking forward to a DWC run. I think you've cured me of that. BTW, I love my XML! Good luck!

Hey Spitz, Welcome aboard! I love my XML's as well. If you are thinking of a DWC run, do not change your mind based on my difficulties. I would follow Far East Buds' journal. You look at the totes he has set up and it is so KISS! I am getting through my grow and then for the next one I am seriously considering a veg in those totes like his and flower in the buckets. My set up is a RDWC which just means I have a pump and some lines that push water from the res to the buckets at the top, and then drain lines back to the res. It is not completely necessary but I thought that it would help with keeping the solution even across the whole system. In hindsight I would not do this and use a KISS system. But we live and we learn.
The work with the hydro is not really a lot. I just worry mostly about all the mistakes I make and if it is going to kill my plants. lol I have never grown anything indoors or in hydro so I really should have considered that. I also should have waited one more month before starting my grow. Ambient temps were too high for good growth and results. So this added problems for me that could have been avoided. I will say that when I spend an hour in my flower garden or my vegetable/spice garden outside, I am dirty, hot, and sticky. I spend thirty minutes looking at my grow tent and I am none of those things. Hydro is so clean and I like that. I love growing my peppers and spices and my wife really likes flowers so I do not mind getting dirty a little bit. But I do wish everything was as clean as my hydro set up. If you spill something, just a couple of minutes with a mop and it's all good.

 

[Bamalabrat]

I like to push the ppm's a little hard as long as the plant is ok with it til I hit 1000ppm then it reverses. I try to keep it at 1k and have to dilute a lot.(I use lucas formula with GH nutes)

150 ppm starting when i first feed... 300-450 for small seedlings... 700-800 for good healthy mid veg... 1k near flower... carries into flower for awhile... this time i will start dropping 2-3 weeks into flower slowly.. Less is more i think at the end. final few weeks 600-700 plus additives. Thats my plan...

keep in mind i am only 1 grow in ...ROFL take it all for what you may....


FE

Thanks FE!
I was thinking along the same lines as you and OMU. It is just nice to get that affirmation from others. I only upped the nutes to 409. That is about a 80 PPM increase. I checked them this morning and they look good. For some reason the water was overflowing in two of the buckets on the left side. I turned the pump off. I will have to take the lines apart and see if a piece of hydroton got stuck in a fitting. PITA. But not really that big a deal. It will have to wait until tonight I though. I am taking my Son to a football game today. It is the first time he is going to be going to a big stadium. It is going to be a blast as the tickets are from a season pass holder and this is a small team that we are playing. So it will be a slaughter I do not like having to deal with the stadium traffic but it should not be bad. I admit that I will probably be thinking of my plants and hoping they are doing well

 

[Bamalabrat]

So I was checking the lines in my set up to see why the left side was flooding and the right side was not. There were no clogs. I do not at this time know why I am having an issue with it. I used the check valves to slow the flow rate to the left side. The main reason for this post is to confirm that the little green nubs that I saw on the WW2 last night are in fact little leaf buds. They are much bigger today and I saw the same thing on WW1 and on PPP4. Those are all my biggest plants. So that means in a few days the amount of leaf surface area is going to really increase. That is a good thing and exactly what OMU was talking about. That leaves me to think why now. Why is the PPP, which is two weeks younger than the WW doing the same thing? Shouldn't the PPP also have about 2 more weeks before doing this? Then I think to what I said about looking at other journals and thinking that their plants look like they are further along than mine are for being the same age. I came to a conclusion, and I do not know if this is correct, that my temps have been way to high in the first three weeks of this grow. The high temps slowed my growth rates way, way down. Because this past week has been a lot cooler, the plants would have grown and developed a lot faster. That is why my PPP has been doing well and my little Tuts have picked up the pace of their development. The WW seemed to pretty much come to a stand still. That is what it seemed like but instead, the growth was in developing these new leaf sites instead of just the top growth. So now the "bushing" effect will fill out the plants as they continue to grow vertically as well. At least that is the conclusion that I am coming to. So that would mean, that after 2 weeks from seed, the plants would start to develop leaf sites in the lower structure of the plant. I am so happy about that. It shows that my plants are not weak. They are normal and would have developed just as fast, if I could have lowered the temps. I really should have waited another month before starting this grow. It also seems that I have a very predictable Cal/Mag deficiency. Those curling tips started to show on all the plants and I had some "taco"ing to the larger plants. I already have Cal/Mag on hand so I just added 40 mL to the res. It is a lot less than the recommended 2 mL/L but my thinking is the plants are so small that a little will go a long way. I will, of course, keep an eye on it. But the deficiency should go away very soon now. I am cautiously optimistic about these plants now. The last couple of days have been trying but they are still green and healthy. I would love for this to be perfect, but that is my fault not the system or the plants fault. Getting close, I think, to figuring out this hydro stuff. Time will tell. I am just glad I went with indica's, which are more fault tolerant. We will have to wait and see just how much fault they can tolerate.

 

[Far East Buds]

So I was checking the lines in my set up to see why the left side was flooding and the right side was not. There were no clogs. I do not at this time know why I am having an issue with it. I used the check valves to slow the flow rate to the left side. The main reason for this post is to confirm that the little green nubs that I saw on the WW2 last night are in fact little leaf buds. They are much bigger today and I saw the same thing on WW1 and on PPP4. Those are all my biggest plants. So that means in a few days the amount of leaf surface area is going to really increase. That is a good thing and exactly what OMU was talking about. That leaves me to think why now. Why is the PPP, which is two weeks younger than the WW doing the same thing? Shouldn't the PPP also have about 2 more weeks before doing this? Then I think to what I said about looking at other journals and thinking that their plants look like they are further along than mine are for being the same age. I came to a conclusion, and I do not know if this is correct, that my temps have been way to high in the first three weeks of this grow. The high temps slowed my growth rates way, way down. Because this past week has been a lot cooler, the plants would have grown and developed a lot faster. That is why my PPP has been doing well and my little Tuts have picked up the pace of their development. The WW seemed to pretty much come to a stand still. That is what it seemed like but instead, the growth was in developing these new leaf sites instead of just the top growth. So now the "bushing" effect will fill out the plants as they continue to grow vertically as well. At least that is the conclusion that I am coming to. So that would mean, that after 2 weeks from seed, the plants would start to develop leaf sites in the lower structure of the plant. I am so happy about that. It shows that my plants are not weak. They are normal and would have developed just as fast, if I could have lowered the temps. I really should have waited another month before starting this grow. It also seems that I have a very predictable Cal/Mag deficiency. Those curling tips started to show on all the plants and I had some "taco"ing to the larger plants. I already have Cal/Mag on hand so I just added 40 mL to the res. It is a lot less than the recommended 2 mL/L but my thinking is the plants are so small that a little will go a long way. I will, of course, keep an eye on it. But the deficiency should go away very soon now. I am cautiously optimistic about these plants now. The last couple of days have been trying but they are still green and healthy. I would love for this to be perfect, but that is my fault not the system or the plants fault. Getting close, I think, to figuring out this hydro stuff. Time will tell. I am just glad I went with indica's, which are more fault tolerant. We will have to wait and see just how much fault they can tolerate.

I had the over flow problem.....
It is filling from the top and cannot gravity feed out fast enough. Well at least that was my issue. So i restricted the flow of my pump so that it would flow much slower. If it took a whole night for the system to even out I was ok with that. I still used it when i only had one tank too cause it was still easier to add nutes etc to res and let it even out. I would have been just as happy running it for the night to get everything even and then shut it off til i need to even again... make sense?


It was the same exact idea i had and sounds like same result but i restricted pump and fixed it... That being said i ditched the whole set up in the change over.

Once I started thinking perpetually... I realized it was flawed as you probably do now... I needed to run different strains and calendars so nutes needed to be varied.

That was the reason for the tubs and removable net pots.. Total interchangeability. Simple .. thank you for the compliment on my set up. I appreciate it.. I have yet to find the flaw... But I am sure i will... (I know OMU the hoses ROFL). Flower starts early next week for 4.. It's been a few weeks since I have had both running. Well no exactly 1 week.

Sorry back to you... Easy on the cal/mag and the extra's for now...I am unfamiliar what your gallon capacity is etc...just KISS .. I didn't need most of that stuff til flower when shit was flowing through the plant like crazy... and i had obvious other stuff happening too. I seem to find veg for me now is just gentle lucas nutes and keep temps.. ph's in range. GOOD light. Gentle breeze... Follow the new growth and it will tell you how she is. Feel free to chime in others... I am as the Sig says still a rookie... my latest plants are listening to me though...

I have a sneaking suspicion you are near FEB territory as we have similar weather patterns. I think 90% of your issue's where heat... I was told try not to ever exceed 85. I worry at 82 if it my fan is struggling to keep up. Again feel free to correct me people... but i think i did read you can but as you found out it becomes a very delicate balance.

My rookie opinion I would just steady increase nutes monitor as you are..until you reach a good level for where you are in growth.. whether it is 700 or 1000..1k is my new cap but as i mentioned only later... good work on your journal... Helps you in the long run... Not as much on this grow it does but definitely later for me.

Stop comparing weeks of yours vs others... You had issues... your time tables are off... You are better off comparing your plants to others and figure out approx what week they "appear" to be in. And even that Veg for me is when I look at the plant and think It is large enough to double or triple for final result. I think I have two plant2 on week 6 veg and not going to flower til next week.. they had issues young as well...I only say this as you seem concerned.. not trying to be a dick..

Flower pay attention...IMO the clock starts and you need to get the most out of it in the time you are given. If you mess it up it will still harvest when it is suppose to... I dont feel llike you can as easily stretch flower as you can with Veg. Mine i think stress made it happen faster..

Breath..


Stuff is coming around nicely...
Keep up the good work... This is turning into a good grow!


FE

 

[Bamalabrat]

FE, that was a great post and you made my night. My team won big today (TBH they played a much smaller program) and my Son loved his first trip to a game, so that made my whole month.
I was only comparing my plants to others (and I realize that I should not do that for so many different reasons) as a way to kind of judge my progress as a grower. It is strictly a motivational thing for me to get me to try harder and get my tail in gear. I would never think it dickish to give a sincere honest opinion that was meant to help. I appreciate you being you bro. Anything you or anyone else want to point out or think is important or whatever, please do not hesitate. I have experienced nothing but goodness on this forum.
The Cal/Mag I added was way lower than the recommended use because of the size of my girls. I can say that it appears to have worked pretty good today. I was gone for about 10 hours and most of the curling in the leaves is gone. So I am super happy about that. I really feel like the plants look super happy tonight, so I will not add anything to the res tomorrow. Just going to let them enjoy the solution if that is what they want to do. Even the Tuts are looking fresh and dark green. Tut 2 did lay down like WW1 and PPP4. I do not know why those three just bent over and layed down. Weird.
Yeah the heat messed me up big time. I said early in the journal that I was thinking of postponing this grow for a month, but excitement and inexperience got the better of me. I have had tent temps at 100. No b.s. I know that is bad. Very bad. But other than breaking out a couple of thousand for an ac setup, there was nothing I could do about it. I know that I will not try to grow again in the summer here, unless I do some mods on my grow area.
Btw, I run about 42 gallons in my system. Thanks again for stopping by and taking part in this adventure. And thanks for letting me take part in yours.

 

[Far East Buds]

Put something very small to prop them up if they fall over some... I literally used zip ties. poked them in there..just something for the plant to lean on...you can see in my pics i posted on mine earlier..

 

[Bamalabrat]

I am using chop sticks and bread ties at the moment My wife's asian. She won't miss em unless I use the good ones.

 

[Far East Buds]

I am using chop sticks and bread ties at the moment My wife's asian. She won't miss em unless I use the good ones.

Would it be bad of me to say that would be like using the good china?

Gentle on the tie's big loops.. just to lean on...everything is so damn fragile...

Temp issue's suck .. I was stuck for awhile with the setup I had because I couldnt move flower but now... I was told a small tent 600 hps..should be ok i run a cool tube and air comes from outside room(70) through tube and right back out... Tent vents with a soon to be 120 or so cfm to the grow room.. to be scrubbed with a 240cfm 6 inch scrubber the whole room then vented out with a 440 cfm fan and intake is around 70...... .. I did this and it was very hot for a week or so and it was stabil when I was testing it... It was getting up to 82 but the 120 cfm is not hooked up yet.

Something like that may help. I am not sure if you can get cooler air in from somewhere else and vent out but I bet it could solve your problem without AC. I am doing my best to avoid it as well...

Sorry to hijack bro...

FE

 

[Bamalabrat]

lol FE. Yeah I have been gentle with the sprouts. I just staked the Tut2 and removed the stakes from the WW1 and PPP4. They stayed up. No worries about the hijack. It is all good.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Update (No more timers in veg. I have too many different start dates )
Well I have/had a Cal/Mag deficiency. I am posting a before and after pic of the PPP4 for reference. Please chime in if you see something that I can or should do. I added 40 mL of Cal/Mag and my system is ~42 gallons. This was done yesterday morning. The first pic is yesterday morning and the second pic is this morning about 22 hours later.

It looks like it has improved, but there is some visible yellowing and leaf curling. Is this something else that needs to be addressed? or just leave it and let the Cal/Mag do it's thing?

 

[Bamalabrat]

Now for some pics of the whole grow.
First up we begin with the 2 Tuts. They appear to be happy little weeds.

Next up are PPP1-4. PPP4 appears to have a little something going on with it. But I think it is recovering now.

And now for my WW1 and 2. They are just chugging along. I am fairly happy with them at the moment.

These next two pics are of PPP4 and WW2. I was trying to show the additional leaf sites under the top. They are growing out and I am happy about that. More leaves = more growth

And now for the group shots First up is the two Tuts. (not very sexy I know but hey it is what it is. )

Next is the WW's

And now for the PPP's

I really appreciate any feedback or comments you guys care to offer. Especially about the PPP4. I want to make sure I do not hurt a great performing plant.

 

[Far East Buds]

Things look good bro...
You just did adjustments like 1 day ago right?
Let it sit.. hard to say if what you are seeing is from yesterdays change or was it prior? So I would watch close for the next 24-48.. unless you see a drastic change see what happens,.. the leaves curling... where is your light? just an idea... kinda same though just watch it... they are getting bigger and more established so you can read it easier and things don't happen as fast...plus more time to react without wrecking things. all this being said my diagnostics are still lacking...


FE

 

[Bamalabrat]

Alright I have some Ass burn that I need to rant about. I went to one of those water/ice kiosks to get some "RO" water. It was only a $1 so I am not that upset. The water is the exact same as the water out of my tap at the house. ~8.3 pH and 174 PPM. I want to find the guy who owns it and kick him in the balls!
This morning went out to check on the plants and the damn pump had flooded the left side of the system again. Had water and hydroton everywhere. PITA. I pulled that pump out of the system and put in one that was half as strong. It only has a weak stream to all the buckets but it is not flooding anything. Just want to keep the water flowing and make sure the solution stays even. I know that is not a big concern as water is very good at finding it's level. I also do not want stagnant water in the system. It is just my preference. But I also do not want the damn buckets to keep overflowing. So putting the little pump back in will kill two birds so to speak.
Everything looks good. The plants are starting to "bush". All of those tiny little leaf sites from Saturday are growing out. I would say in 3 or 4 days the WW and PPP's will be bushy as all of those leaves will have opened all the way.
Tut1 is working on it's 4 set of leaves at the moment. Tut2 is still on it's 2nd set. I think by tomorrow morning Tut2 will be showing it's 3rd set of leaves.
Now I know I said I was going to top my WW and PPP today, but I have decided to wait. I want to let all of them bush out a little. None of them are reaching up high, so that is not my concern. I just feel like I want them to just get another week of good growth in them. Like fill out more and make sure that they are nice and green. Then I would feel comfortable topping them. I have noticed that the stems are getting bigger and greener on all of those plants. So let them fill out a little more and get a little stronger stems before training them. It is my understanding that they will be in shock for less time if they are bigger, so that translates to faster growing.
Today marks the 2nd week since popping for Tut1 and 1 week for Tut2. They are definitely growing faster than the others did. I know that is because of the temps and pH have been stable for them in their early growing stage. So if anybody is thinking of starting a summer grow, but can not control or cool the ambient air supply for their grow area, I would tell them not to. You really do not help yourself by starting early, it cost me in seeds and plants that died because of the extremes. I have had 100% success on all of the seeds and plants that I have started in the last three weeks compared to the fails that I was having from a month ago. So just looking at the costs, it was an expensive learning curve. So just my 2 cents worth.
I do have some ideas for taking some clones and keeping 2 mothers from those clones. I am thinking I will set up a barrier in the tent on the back 2 feet of the tent. This will create a 4 x 2 space. I will use the tote system that FE has going on. I will pick up a t5 or really cheap veg led. I already have a air pump. So I would need the tote and some net pots and would be able to keep the mothers and clones from the mothers while I flower these 8. That would give me 2 months of vegging while the others flower. Do a harvest and then throw the 2 month old clones into the pots and do an immediate flower on them. That way I have a harvest every 2 months. Just something I am thinking anyway. I could only do this in the fall/winter/spring. I will not try a late spring or summer grow at all unless I get AC for my space. I would also want to insulate the space. I was trying to cut costs on those areas. And that is fine, I should have just waited a month. But it is all good now.
Ok, so this post is long and kind of rambling. I just wanted to put my thoughts down so I can get some suggestions and also just to get the thoughts out of my head and down on paper so I can look at it at a later time. Thanks for stopping by and have a great week everyone. I will try to post some pics tonight or tomorrow.

 

[VladimirPutin]

I don't see anything to critique yet. Sounds like the system is just getting dialed in and you are not far at all from reaching the nirvana state of sustained growth and stable systems.

You threw in the cal/mag and a good dose not too strong so, looking good on that end. Remember less is more in hydro, i like the 1 ml / gallon thing.

Keep it up Bama

Vlad

 

[Far East Buds]

I don't see anything to critique yet. Sounds like the system is just getting dialed in and you are not far at all from reaching the nirvana state of sustained growth and stable systems.

You threw in the cal/mag and a good dose not too strong so, looking good on that end. Remember less is more in hydro, i like the 1 ml / gallon thing.

Keep it up Bama

Vlad

Right on vlad!
He is sooo close. Things are looking good and the growth will make you pleased very soon. It especially feels good when you have had to work for it. I was told not to count on much until third grow. I was like yah maybe for others... well I had enough errors in grow one not to doubt it now. But I just like you Bam are very close...

The veg tubs i use seemed simple and I still have yet to find an issue with them. Maybe the air lines under handle instead of lid like OMU recommended but I originally thought i didn't want to have any holes in tub for possible leaks cause i run water high up sometimes. But it would be ok if you make holes tight as he recommended.

Overflowing sucks!
happened to me a couple times so restricted my pump all the way down to 3/16 line for flow. I dont mind if it took a few hours to even out. The problem is your pump flows faster than the gravity will let the flow back to res with the return lines... Slow the pump way down... Leave all the valves open except one valve in between the pump and the first pot. Or install a valve right off of pump if there isnt one. Almost close it just crack it open. Evening nutes in the tanks will happen quick and easy with very little flow needed.


That being said I ditched that whole flow set up as I run too many variations now so all my plants kinda need different stuff. If I was doing 10 plants same strain/ time it would be better or more useful.

Now I do the tubs because they can be one for young/medium/mature plants... Pull the net pot and throw it in the next level when ready. You've seen.. so far working awesome. Little trick.. pull the pots out and put back every few days to keep roots from getting super tangled.. As long as I do it once in awhile they have been really easy to pull out now.. if i leave them I have to do a OMU root defol Which didn't make a shit of difference to the plant to pull some off..


Sounds like things are mellowing out now... That will feel funny as you have been working hard to keep them going and battling issue's It feels funny to take a breath and just watch for awhile... don't worry mites or something are probably lurking and waiting.. More learning will come


Good grow bro 5 stars ... damn I didn't even get that!
Keep it up bro I will do everything I can to help you get through the rest of this exceeding my results.
Consider that good or bad i am not quite sure for you yet....


FE

 

[Far East Buds]

A note
I would have flowered in the 5 gall pots still but my flower tent is too small... I could do 6 in the same space as 4 if i used the 5 gallon ones. If you have the space they are great ...
I do like all the same tubs that is convenient.
Veg they are so small it just made more sense.

FE

 

[Bamalabrat]

FE you made me laugh so hard. Thanks for yours and Vlad's compliments and encouragement. It really helps.
Ok, So FE jinked me. He had to bring up infestation. I have had nothing in my tent but the occasional moth or fly that comes in when I visit the girls. But today there was a white fuzzy flying thing crawling along my water lines. There was also a FREAKING BASIL plant in my tent. The basil is in a soil, yes soil pot, that has been growing all freaking summer outside. My dear missus decided that the cooler nights were going to kill her spice plants and she wanted to know, after the fact I might add, if she could use my tent. Me being the worlds greatest person that I am, flipped out and said ever so gently and full of love "NO!" I then pointed out all of the infestations that her herbs had. Guys she has a plethera of bugs and crap growing on the 5 different basil plants. I bought organic safe pesticides and funguscides to use. But there was a black widow that took up residence in the lime leaf bush that I had to evict, and then there was a 3 foot black snake that decided to move in and she pretty much refused to go back out to her garden. Now I had been keeping an eye on it, but pretty much gave up on it as I was preoccupied. Now, a $1 basil plant is going in with my high value tent grow? I will go bat guano crazy if that happens again. I spent an hour with my microscope going over every leaf of every plant. No bugs! However I did notice a big rust spot on the PPP4 that you do not need a microscope to see. I knew to expect some discoloration because it seemed to be hardest hit with the deficiencies from this weekend. That is a big brown spot though. I will upload a pic soon.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Now for some good news. I am very pleased with the growth rates of all the plants today. They are all noticeably bigger and if you look under the top you can see the little leafs that started there this weekend have doubled or tripled, in some cases. So that is very good stuff. Tut1 and 2 are doing very well and are very green. I also opened a couple of buckets on the PPP to check to see if they had roots showing yet, and they do but they are on the sides and all over the hydroton. The roots that were in the buckets are all very white and fuzzy looking. I was so darn happy. That is the best visual indicator that the slime is gone. DM zone rocks! So glad to have gotten that stuff.

Well our week of perfect weather is over. Starting tomorrow temps go up again. This weekend is probably going to be high 80's to low 90's. It will be very cool at night but also very hot during the day for a short period of time. The upside is that it will cool off very fast and the high temps only last for about 2-3 hours. So, they made it through last month and they also have a chiller in the res. They should be ok. They may not love it, but it should not hurt them to bad.

I am going to go take some pics and get ready for bed. If I do not post them tonight I will do so in the morning. Thanks everyone for stopping by and for all the good vibes, conversations, and advice.

 

[Far East Buds]

FE you made me laugh so hard. Thanks for yours and Vlad's compliments and encouragement. It really helps.
Ok, So FE jinked me. He had to bring up infestation. I have had nothing in my tent but the occasional moth or fly that comes in when I visit the girls. But today there was a white fuzzy flying thing crawling along my water lines. There was also a FREAKING BASIL plant in my tent. The basil is in a soil, yes soil pot, that has been growing all freaking summer outside. My dear missus decided that the cooler nights were going to kill her spice plants and she wanted to know, after the fact I might add, if she could use my tent. Me being the worlds greatest person that I am, flipped out and said ever so gently and full of love "NO!" I then pointed out all of the infestations that her herbs had. Guys she has a plethera of bugs and crap growing on the 5 different basil plants. I bought organic safe pesticides and funguscides to use. But there was a black widow that took up residence in the lime leaf bush that I had to evict, and then there was a 3 foot black snake that decided to move in and she pretty much refused to go back out to her garden. Now I had been keeping an eye on it, but pretty much gave up on it as I was preoccupied. Now, a $1 basil plant is going in with my high value tent grow? I will go bat guano crazy if that happens again. I spent an hour with my microscope going over every leaf of every plant. No bugs! However I did notice a big rust spot on the PPP4 that you do not need a microscope to see. I knew to expect some discoloration because it seemed to be hardest hit with the deficiencies from this weekend. That is a big brown spot though. I will upload a pic soon.

Don't get worried about it... Now is the time to deal with it. They are in veg and neem oil or mighty wash. insecticide soaps are all good to use now cause after a few treatments and etc you can wash it all off and there are no harmful effects. Yah it was a weird Vine my wife wanted me to save. Well mites liked the vine i guess... There are no buds now to worry about so I mighty washed my whole flower tent and plants yesterday. One good spray for pests before flower now is my rule! I'd rather do it now JIK than go through the 5 week in flower wash like last time.

Your great Bama wait til flower when it is like holding your breath for eight weeks with your hands tied! you make me laff...


FE