1080w LED Inferno
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I decided not to wait so I flipped my ladies tonight. I will let you know when and if i start to see flowers. Fingers crossed.
thanks!
Great looking girls, even with no flowers
i looked at them last night and their starting to push out some hairs, i am going to give them until next week to start flowering at a desent rate if not i am going to throw then into 36hr of dark because to me after 4 weeks with no flowers i am just waisting my time and money on power. come week 5 or 6 if still no flowers ill cut them down and start over again. so by doing the 36 hrs i have nothing to lose
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i wanted to show you guys a mid week up date. i feed my plants last night and i went to see them today and all the top leaves are facing up wards real straight, ive never seen this before. any one know why their doing this? is it good or bad?
i wanted to show you guys a mid week up date. i feed my plants last night and i went to see them today and all the top leaves are facing up wards real straight, ive never seen this before. any one know why their doing this? is it good or bad?
Who knows? They look beautiful to me!
Whatcha feedin' em?
Oh! I see now....I just went back and read a few pages....you're worried that they're not flowering.
Well, first of all, the idea the you must cut nitrogen way back in order to flower is wrong. In order for high N to impede flowering, you would have to be running 20-2-4 or something like that.
So, don't think it's your nutes. It's not.
It's not the hempy bucket either....I've had no problem flowering in mine, and I run 15-9-12 in flower. Hempys flower really well....I've got the pics to prove it, so do plenty of others.
Nutes don't make a plant flower, either....hormones do. Hormones are stimulated by photoperiod.
So, the problem.....if there is one.... is the light cycle, or perhaps the LED's don't have enough energy to flower plants that size?
I tell ya what, bro....those plants are some of the most healthy plants I've ever seen. If I were you, I'd just be patient and keep feedin' em.
Healthy leaves and healthy roots=healthy buds! Patience!
On my last grow my Casey Jones took 5 weeks to start flowering....but they packed on the weight like crazy once they got started. Be patient!
Your plants are gorgeous! They will reward you.
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Ah...I just did some research on the Lucas Formula. It can be low in magnesium....plants that are low in Mg often "pray" for it....perhaps the leaves standing straight up like that are trying to ask for Mg? I'd give 'em a dash of epsom salt.
Also, have your plants started stretching yet? If so, the flowering hormones are getting started....no worries!
Lastly, Superthrive and other rooting hormones can delay flowering. Are you using any of those?
Well, first of all, the idea the you must cut nitrogen way back in order to flower is wrong. In order for high N to impede flowering, you would have to be running 20-2-4 or something like that.
So, don't think it's your nutes. It's not.
It's not the hempy bucket either....I've had no problem flowering in mine, and I run 15-9-12 in flower. Hempys flower really well....I've got the pics to prove it, so do plenty of others.
Nutes don't make a plant flower, either....hormones do. Hormones are stimulated by photoperiod.
So, the problem.....if there is one.... is the light cycle, or perhaps the LED's don't have enough energy to flower plants that size?
I tell ya what, bro....those plants are some of the most healthy plants I've ever seen. If I were you, I'd just be patient and keep feedin' em.
Healthy leaves and healthy roots=healthy buds! Patience!
On my last grow my Casey Jones took 5 weeks to start flowering....but they packed on the weight like crazy once they got started. Be patient!
Your plants are gorgeous! They will reward you.
On Edit:
Ah...I just did some research on the Lucas Formula. It can be low in magnesium....plants that are low in Mg often "pray" for it....perhaps the leaves standing straight up like that are trying to ask for Mg? I'd give 'em a dash of epsom salt.
Also, have your plants started stretching yet? If so, the flowering hormones are getting started....no worries!
Lastly, Superthrive and other rooting hormones can delay flowering. Are you using any of those?
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as of right now silica and GH maxibloom. i went with the GH maxi because its real cheap and i will not shell out tons of money to nute company's. i got a 2.5lb bag for around $13.00 you use around 1tsp per gal. still not as cheap as the OC+ but its another option for others.
ive always been trying to show others you dont need tons of pricy nutes to grow good buds, but you just step up the game by inducing OC+
so i stop using the 3 part and went with the dry nutes. so far they are working great, the healthiest plants ive grown, just cant get them to flower. i think it may be from the heat?- Thread starter
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Oh! I see now....I just went back and read a few pages....you're worried that they're not flowering.
Well, first of all, the idea the you must cut nitrogen way back in order to flower is wrong. In order for high N to impede flowering, you would have to be running 20-2-4 or something like that.
So, don't think it's your nutes. It's not.
It's not the hempy bucket either....I've had no problem flowering in mine, and I run 15-9-12 in flower. Hempys flower really well....I've got the pics to prove it, so do plenty of others.
Nutes don't make a plant flower, either....hormones do. Hormones are stimulated by photoperiod.
So, the problem.....if there is one.... is the light cycle, or perhaps the LED's don't have enough energy to flower plants that size?
I tell ya what, bro....those plants are some of the most healthy plants I've ever seen. If I were you, I'd just be patient and keep feedin' em.
Healthy leaves and healthy roots=healthy buds! Patience!
On my last grow my Casey Jones took 5 weeks to start flowering....but they packed on the weight like crazy once they got started. Be patient!
Your plants are gorgeous! They will reward you.
On Edit:
Ah...I just did some research on the Lucas Formula. It can be low in magnesium....plants that are low in Mg often "pray" for it....perhaps the leaves standing straight up like that are trying to ask for Mg? I'd give 'em a dash of epsom salt.
Also, have your plants started stretching yet? If so, the flowering hormones are getting started....no worries!
Lastly, Superthrive and other rooting hormones can delay flowering. Are you using any of those?
ya its not the nutes because i used the same ratios with the 3 part on my last grow. its not the leds because last grow their flowered the same strain and my XJ-13 witch was bigger then these ones. in fact i had good size flowers in 2 weeks with the HS. so cant be the lights because this time i have more watts and power. it has to be the heat i am thinking.
thanks for all the good words on how my plants look, feel good to hear that from someone that grow some healthy grade A+ plants himself.
now i was think it was low on Mag so their praying, i haven't given them cal/mag+ for a few weeks, but it seems the Maxi is pretty well balanced. it could be heat stress and that why their doing that? its been super hot the last few days.
the only things ive feed them is maxibloom, silica, H202 and green fuse bloom. now i am just using maxibloom and silica, with some H202 every other feeding to help the roots.
yes they have started stretching and seem to just keep getting bigger every week for over 3 weeks. i can tell the heat is making them stretch more then my last grow when it was cooler.
Thanks bro....but let's be clear....your plants look healthier than anything I've ever grown. They're perfect. They're gonna flower....that's what they do.
FYI, google "Lucas Formula Magnesium Deficiency"
Bottom line:
5-10 ratio causes deficiency in bloom
8-16 is what you want, that's what Lucas recommends now.
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thanks!
i am not using the Lucas formula per say. i used the Lucas form last grow and it did great! 8-16 the whole grow.
now ive heard that the maxi was lucas form in a dry fourm at close to 1tsp per gal but the real way is 7g per gal, so ive heard, but havent seen lucas say that. now lucas changed it to the flora nova
now Mg is the 1st thing i thought when i seen them doing that, but wasnt sure because their so healthy with not one mark on their leafs, ive had Mg def before but never looked like that or prayed, it just led to Cal def and their on. but i will shoot them some espon salt. you know the ratios for the salt per gal.
1 tsp per gallon.thanks!
i am not using the Lucas formula per say. i used the Lucas form last grow and it did great! 8-16 the whole grow.
now ive heard that the maxi was lucas form in a dry fourm at close to 1tsp per gal but the real way is 7g per gal. now lucas changed it to the flora nova
now Mg is the 1st thing i thought when i seen them doing that. i will shoot them some espon salt. you know the ratios for the salt per gal.
Probably use it once a week for a while....watch out for calcium and potassium antagonism.
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thanks brother!
i also have cal/mag but get scared of over doing the cal. i love looking at healthy green girls and dont want to screw them up. ive kept them this healthy for around 10 weeks and afraid my lucks going to run out.lol.
hey you know what would be kick ass? seeing a side by side of OC+ and maxi
I might do something like that latter on? but i want to try out the OC+ for sure because its good to have when you go out of town you just feed water and not a big bucket of nute soup.thanks brother!
i also have cal/mag but get scared of over doing the cal. i love looking at healthy green girls and dont want to screw them up. ive kept them this healthy for around 10 weeks and afraid my lucks going to run out.lol.
hey you know what would be kick ass? seeing a side by side of OC+ and maxi
That would be a really great grow....I'd like to see that too.
Regarding the espom....if they're mag deficient, adding a bit shouldn't create any antagonism.
I have that Botanicare Cal/mag too.....and I stopped using it when I went to tap water.
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i was just thinking i believe when the praying happens its more folded like a taco or two hands praying and usaly their will be some leaf discolor?
Magnesium helps supports healthy veins while keeping a healthy leaf production and its structure. Magnesium is significant for chlorophyll-production and enzyme break downs. Magnesium which must be present in relatively large quantities for the plant to survive, but yet not to much to where it will cause the plant to show a toxicity.
Magnesium is one of the easiest deficiencies to tell... the green veins along with the yellowness of the entire surrounding leave is a dead giveaway, but sometimes that's not always the case here. In case you have one of those where it doesn't show the green veins, sometimes leaf tips and edges may discolor and curl upward. The growing tips can turn lime green when the deficiency progresses to the top of the plant. The edges will feel like dry and crispy and usually affects the lower leaves in younger plants, then will affect the middle to upper half when it gets older, but It can also happen on older leaves as well. The deficiency will start at the tip then will take over the entire outer left and right sides of the leaves. The inner part will be yellow and or brownish in color, followed by leaves falling without withering. The tips can also twist and turn as well as curving upwards as if you curl your tongues.
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ya when i get pissed off thinking on my last grow i had fat buds with the same strain at this time in flowering. but i wouldn't chopped my babies their too healthy looking, ive never seen plants this healthy, not trying to sound big headed but its true. i think allot to do with it is the nutes and the PH i keep my buckets at. PH being key
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thanks!
i am not using the Lucas formula per say. i used the Lucas form last grow and it did great! 8-16 the whole grow.
now ive heard that the maxi was lucas form in a dry fourm at close to 1tsp per gal but the real way is 7g per gal, so ive heard, but havent seen lucas say that. now lucas changed it to the flora nova
now Mg is the 1st thing i thought when i seen them doing that, but wasnt sure because their so healthy with not one mark on their leafs, ive had Mg def before but never looked like that or prayed, it just led to Cal def and their on. but i will shoot them some espon salt. you know the ratios for the salt per gal.
Sorry lowering the N to help induce flower is not wrong.Sure it the light scedule that changes hormones to flower.I dont know the science or have a phd or any thing but for hands on experience this method works for me during high heat conditions.I think there is a reason veg nutes are higher in N than blooms nutes are then for extended flower you bring Nitrogen back up after buds are established.........If all your light leeks are fixed Irish this is a good sign.With this heat keep a close eye for hermies.This is just my way and what works for me there realy is not a wrong way just personal pref.Its mainly the heat thats stalling growth.
Yeah they are awesome lookin in veg which makes me believe they'll be super awesome in flower.
I've been reviewing your prev grow and I can only imagine your frustration. We're all pulling for you bro!
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Sorry lowering the N to help induce flower is not wrong.Sure it the light scedule that changes hormones to flower.I dont know the science or have a phd or any thing but for hands on experience this method works for me during high heat conditions.I think there is a reason veg nutes are higher in N than blooms nutes are then for extended flower you bring Nitrogen back up after buds are established.........If all your light leeks are fixed Irish this is a good sign.With this heat keep a close eye for hermies.This is just my way and what works for me there realy is not a wrong way just personal pref.Its mainly the heat thats stalling growth.
thanks for the input. ive been looking for someone to confirm that heat delays flowering for sure.
now the whole N thing, i have a buddy that i would consider a master grower, he know his stuff that for sure. he told me long ago that N is good for the beginning and end of flowering but not for mid flowering.
he was telling me that fox farms had it figured out with the tri pack thats why bestibloom dosent have N but chia ching does. he was telling me allot of growers miss understand this and cut almost all N in flower. now i never talked to him about the heat of lower N in the heat. but just wanted to pass on what i was told by a very good grower thats been growing for around 30yrs or so
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thanks brother, the support always helps to keep me motivated
your plants are perfect....mine are doing the same thing......