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I think they'll be fine, although I can relate to your frustration.

Plants have a very strong drive to reproduce and complete their life cycle, but it's going to be on their schedule once we flip them.

Flip to 12/12, keep them green and healthy, and nature will take its course.

A friend of mine grew some very nice plants from start to finish with 5-1-1 Alaska fish through the whole grow.

I guess he just didn't know any better ;).
 
Gday Irish been afk for a while, its good to catch up on your thread. Once again my current grow has the same start date as yours, and while mine have got bud sites everywhere i wouldnt worry too much........ good news though re the leaves all pointing up, mine did exactly the same thing two weeks ago and 3 days later i had bud sites popping up left right and center. So keep plugging away mate i think you will see what you want in a few days :goodluck:

A little off topic but my last grow flowered with 250w of led and cfl and this one is going with 250w hps. Lets just say now i know why hps has set a high benchmark for led's to meet. :):):):)
 
PitViper said:
your plants are perfect....mine are doing the same thing......
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thanks for sharing that info with me, it dose seem like a happy standing up. dont ask how i can tell.lol
Setting Sun said:
I think they'll be fine, although I can relate to your frustration.

Plants have a very strong drive to reproduce and complete their life cycle, but it's going to be on their schedule once we flip them.

Flip to 12/12, keep them green and healthy, and nature will take its course.

A friend of mine grew some very nice plants from start to finish with 5-1-1 Alaska fish through the whole grow.

I guess he just didn't know any better ;).
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very good point they will do what they want to do and when they want to do.
Maccar said:
Gday Irish been afk for a while, its good to catch up on your thread. Once again my current grow has the same start date as yours, and while mine have got bud sites everywhere i wouldnt worry too much........ good news though re the leaves all pointing up, mine did exactly the same thing two weeks ago and 3 days later i had bud sites popping up left right and center. So keep plugging away mate i think you will see what you want in a few days :goodluck:

A little off topic but my last grow flowered with 250w of led and cfl and this one is going with 250w hps. Lets just say now i know why hps has set a high benchmark for led's to meet. :):):):)
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thanks for making me fell better, i hope i have buds today when i see them:) they look like their moving foward now.

yes hps is a big shoe to fill. i love HID
 
Irishboy said:
thanks for the input. ive been looking for someone to confirm that heat delays flowering for sure.

now the whole N thing, i have a buddy that i would consider a master grower, he know his stuff that for sure. he told me long ago that N is good for the beginning and end of flowering but not for mid flowering.

he was telling me that fox farms had it figured out with the tri pack thats why bestibloom dosent have N but chia ching does. he was telling me allot of growers miss understand this and cut almost all N in flower. now i never talked to him about the heat of lower N in the heat. but just wanted to pass on what i was told by a very good grower thats been growing for around 30yrs or so
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Yes im sorry I may not have explained my opinion correctly...Since you are growing in hydro and its hot I would think that they are drinking more so lowering nutes a tad would lower the uptake of N because this is the first thing mj is going eat.Access N slows down flower and if in access will discourage yeild in this phase.Most 2 part nutes are set up with high N in veg and lower for flower then you gradualy raise the N back up for late flowering and this is why I asked if using any additives.As for heat I do know that skunk fairs well with heat and is a touph plant and grows well.But when in temps over 90 and mainly heat isues to the root zone any plants growth will slow or stall.
Hear is something I looked up regaurding access Nitrogen.
A plant that is grown in the correct exposure and exhibits healthy, green, vigorous growth but fails to set flowers could be subject to excess soil nitrogen. Excess nitrogen in the soil promotes a flush of green, vegetative growth at the expense of flowers. Flowering is essentially delayed or inhibited by the continuous production of new leaves and stems. It is one of the leading causes of poor fruit production. No flowers means no fruit. The effect of excess nitrogen on flowering is commonly seen in trees and shrubs that inhabit lawns or other grassy areas. High nitrogen fertilizers are applied to turf in order to encourage lush, green, vegetative growth. Although desirable for grasses and other foliage plants, nitrogen applications tend to have an adverse effect on flowering plants. A possible remedy is to water deeply and thoroughly to flush away the excess nitrogen and fertilize later with a high phosphorus or high potash formula. In fact, most tomato foods are ideal for fertilizing flowering plants. A related but opposite scenario, nutrient deficiency can also contribute to poor flowering. Nutrient deficiency is quite common in containerized plants whereby the roots have only a limited amount of soil area in which to explore and draw nutrients from. The nutrients inside containers are depleted rapidly and need to be replenished on a regular basis in order to maximize bloom time and flower quality.
Your friend is right But Im also sure he reads the plant to determin.When swiching to bloom he problubly keeps the N on the high side to promote more bud sights then goes to full bloom low in N.??mmm yes pretty much just like FF feeding chart or any feeding chart I believe.But yes heat is also an issue because your roots are also exposed to it.If in the gound in high heet roots are grow deeper where it is cooler.Yes veary cool to have some one with great experience My dads been growing all his life and he is like 58 with out him I wouldnt have any sence of growing any thing LOL.But any way your plants look great realy healthy looking no bad dogging and you have every right to be hard headed with them ladies.:blunt:
 
What do you consider excess nitrogen? How high is too high?

For example....I'm running high nitrogen in my grow....well, high according to pot forum concepts anyways. But according to botanists, it's a balanced, moderate amount of nitrogen. 15-9-12.

The yield from my 12/12 from seed grow speaks for itself.

Now...running a 25-9-12 mix might be too high in N.
On the other hand, 5-20-12 is way too low....and will result in yellow, dead fan leaves and lower yields.

FF recommends:
Grow 6-4-4
Tiger 2-8-4
Sesame 5-45-19 or Beastie 0-50-40 or ChaChing 9-50-10

That makes for 13-57-27 or 13-62-27 or 17-62-18.

Those formulas are WAY too low in N and WAY, WAY too high in P.

3-1-2 or 3-1-3 is optimal for cannabis, at least thats what the scientific studies say. Marketing "nutes" to stoners is another matter altogether.
 
DocBud said:
What do you consider excess nitrogen? How high is too high?

For example....I'm running high nitrogen in my grow....well, high according to pot forum concepts anyways. But according to botanists, it's a balanced, moderate amount of nitrogen. 15-9-12.

The yield from my 12/12 from seed grow speaks for itself.

Now...running a 25-9-12 mix might be too high in N.
On the other hand, 5-20-12 is way too low....and will result in yellow, dead fan leaves and lower yields.

FF recommends:
Grow 6-4-4
Tiger 2-8-4
Sesame 5-45-19 or Beastie 0-50-40 or ChaChing 9-50-10

That makes for 13-57-27 or 13-62-27 or 17-62-18.

Those formulas are WAY too low in N and WAY, WAY too high in P.

3-1-2 or 3-1-3 is optimal for cannabis, at least thats what the scientific studies say. Marketing "nutes" to stoners is another matter altogether.
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Well IDK I guess when a plant is realy green its high in N.To get back to subject my OPINION would be to back off to see if it helps then start raising it back up.Not sure how this is wrong?I posted a post for Irish and he is a smart guy to do what is best given the information.I guess to much would depend on size and strein of plant and organics vs (non organic=under 20)I think.I am just fine with FF for potting and hydro yes pretty powerfull mix as directed then dilute with ph water to plants likings or when holding a ph ballance.If overfed ph will drop under fed ph will rise.Half to find the median with trial and error.I found its about 1 quarter streangth of feeding chart.I also see FF does seem low on N but makes up for it in ingredients of organics.Im good with it for potted and hydro plants.For giant outdoor 14 ft calf size colas Its all compost teas.They seem to drink as much as you give them.
 
turttle said:
...outdoor 14 ft calf size colas Its all compost teas.They seem to drink as much as you give them.
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I love plants like that!
do you know the NPK of your compost tea? Most compost teas are high in N....which is why you get those massive colas.

Again....healthy roots+healthy leaves=healthy buds.

Too much N will not give you healthy leaves....they will be burnt and twisted.
 
DocBud said:
I love plants like that!
do you know the NPK of your compost tea? Most compost teas are high in N....which is why you get those massive colas.
No not sure what the npk is.but yes high in nitrogen
Again....healthy roots+healthy leaves=healthy buds.
Yes I agree
Too much N will not give you healthy leaves....they will be burnt and twisted.
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Yes if you feed to much Nitrogen it will burn your plant.Trial and error start low.You can dilute with water and test tds and note what range your plant likes.Mj is a nitrogen loving plant but it also needs its veggies.My opinion is its about timming.
 
Irishboy said:
i was thinking of getting some Fox Farm open sesame to get my girls to flower. anyone used that stuff before? if so whats ur thoughts on it?
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I used it.

I've got a nearly full container of it. You can have it.
 
Irishboy said:
hey bro if you dont mind i would love to here your recipe? my friend grows out doors and the compost tea he gets from the hydro store sucks. i like the way your dads plants looked
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Yeah they are off the hook and still growing.On this grow he is using Humboldt nutes and conditioning the soil with Mayan microz.I dont realy have my own recipe for teas.I wish I was smart enouph to create my own I would be rich...lol.When using teas it can be a sock fool of gulash.(left overs mixed togeather)I guess for something simple would be some sea gull or bat quano.chicken and cow poop with molases with a hand full of ocean forest used soil cramed into a sock to 5 gallons of irated water.Realy what I do is just whats available or affordable.
What my dad did is he veged his for 3 months indoor then on the longes day of the year esed them outside.They were potted in ocean forest.After they got use to beeing out side he started digging holes in the ground and surounded the hole with quarter inch square netting to keep roots safe from pests.Then he filled the wholes with ocean forest and transplanted.I think he is only feeding once or twice a week if that and watered 2 times a day.
As for the open sesame yes I beleive it would help I am using it right now on my tomatoes and its promoting multiple flowers.I am using the complet feeding scedule not sure how it would act as a stand alone but its high in potash and phosphate.
 
Irishboy said:
ok so tonight i am trying something new! i am going to feed my girls some of my bud blaster i used for the end of flowering. i know it can also be used for interducing flowering, so at this point in time i am willing to see what happens? it should help kick them into flower i hope? one way to find out?
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I look forward to hearing the results!
I've also heard that a 36 hour period of darkness throws them into flowering, which makes lots of sense.
 
Irishboy said:
thats what i wanted to do, but others were saying they thought it was a bad idea and they might go hermi on me since their already 4 weeks in. i wish i would have done that from the start
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Pit Viper does 30 hours, I believe. Ask him what he thinks. I haven't seen too many hermies in his garden, and I'm pretty sure he uses femmed seeds.
 
DocBud said:
Pit Viper does 30 hours, I believe. Ask him what he thinks. I haven't seen too many hermies in his garden, and I'm pretty sure he uses femmed seeds.
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ya but he dose it from the start of flowering; when done that way it dose great. others were saying since i am already on 12/12 for 4 weeks it might make them go hermi because of throwing the light times out of whack for a little bit i am guessing. i think they will be fine and if i dont see any good sings of flowering by next week then i am gonna try it.

my hydro store guy said its from the heat. when its in the 90's they wont really flower, not too sure if thats it or not?
 
Irishboy said:
ya but he dose it from the start of flowering; when done that way it dose great. others were saying since i am already on 12/12 for 4 weeks it might make them go hermi because of throwing the light times out of whack for a little bit i am guessing. i think they will be fine and if i dont see any good sings of flowering by next week then i am gonna try it.

my hydro store guy said its from the heat. when its in the 90's they wont really flower, not too sure if thats it or not?
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I do believe the heat is the problem.....actually not a problem, but a blessing. If you have high heat in flowering, you're more likely to get hermies....but if they hold off, you'll be OK.

Praying for some cool temps for you, bro.

Be patient.....you're just building more roots and leaves.....bigger buds are in your future.
 
Hey Irish, if you do use FF Open Sesame, just be very conservative on the dosage. I burned some plants up, with that stuff, at 1/2 the recommended dosage. It's really hot on the phosphorous!
 
Theanswerto1984is1776 said:
Hey Irish, if you do use FF Open Sesame, just be very conservative on the dosage. I burned some plants up, with that stuff, at 1/2 the recommended dosage. It's really hot on the phosphorous!
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Yep.
 
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