Zkittlez, Skywalker & Kosher Kushes By CoffeeShopSeeds

[StoneOtter]

HAPPY DAZE ARE HERE AGAIN UPDATE!

Hi all, I was @Trala Big Smiling this morning when I opened up the tent! I was so disappointed they weren't moving forward yesterday before the pot up and to see them dance today... I was blown away! I think today is day 50, I'll have to check. The Candida duo is also liking the digs!


First Zkittlez is the pruned roots one.

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• StoneOtter
• May 10, 2022
• 2

Zkittlez

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• StoneOtter
• May 10, 2022

Zkittlez

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• StoneOtter
• May 10, 2022

Skywalker Kush

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• StoneOtter
• May 10, 2022

Kosher Kush

I think keeping the first water mostly on the original root ball helped. Second water will be probably in a few days. I'll have to decide where that one goes. Probably the centerish again, then back to watering the perimeter. As I do.

No mag def on the Candida's is a good sign! I Thought I gave up troubleshooting when I retired!

 

[Jon]

HAPPY DAZE ARE HERE AGAIN UPDATE!

Hi all, I was @Trala Big Smiling this morning when I opened up the tent! I was so disappointed they weren't moving forward yesterday before the pot up and to see them dance today... I was blown away! I think today is day 50, I'll have to check. The Candida duo is also liking the digs!


First Zkittlez is the pruned roots one.

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• StoneOtter
• May 10, 2022
• 2

Zkittlez

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• StoneOtter
• May 10, 2022

Zkittlez

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• StoneOtter
• May 10, 2022

Skywalker Kush

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• StoneOtter
• May 10, 2022

Kosher Kush

I think keeping the first water mostly on the original root ball helped. Second water will be probably in a few days. I'll have to decide where that one goes. Probably the centerish again, then back to watering the perimeter. As I do.

No mag def on the Candida's is a good sign! I Thought I gave up troubleshooting when I retired!

WOW!!! That Zkittlez is incredible SO! I love this strain in veg, it's just gorgeous, and yours is all that. They really took to the up potting like it was flicking a mosquito away, didn't they? I love that, I see it repeatedly. When you do it properly, this is often what happens. Great work by you.

If I may share what I've seen on that watering thing you mentioned? - I always put my incoming pot in thoroughly wet. That way, there is no need to water the center original rootball at first. I begin with just watering the edges for like the first three or four waterings right after transplant, and then on maybe the fifth, I do only the center mass from as high a pour point as possible to drive O2 to the roots. Done like that, the center mass watering is the same thing as watering to soaking the whole pot. I continue that cycle until I flip or in the case of autos until I see the first pre-flowers and flowering pistils. The reason I do it like that is because of my interpretation of @Emilya's watering techniques, combined with a touch of @Bill284's center mass watering methodology. All that comes down to is that the time directly following transplant is the most important and most productive time for us to build out the roots of the plant (talking soil here). It's exactly when, imho, one should be using the edge watering to it's max, especially with autos where it's a race to fill the pot with roots before flower as much as possible. Once flowering starts the plant is going to change it's feeding routine and it won't focus it's energy as much on root production due to using it for flowering, thankfully for us, lol. So it's only logical to change it up at that point. But until then all I want to do is use the edges as often as possible, as my only mission then is to build the rootball outwards.

Just a bit of a different perspective than what you described, for what it's worth.

EDIT: the other advantage is that when you stick to the outside only, especially in a geopot, they will dry faster and use the water faster, thus necessitating more frequent watering. This means more frequent feeding (non organic grows) and thus just more everything, in my experience.

 

[StoneOtter]

WOW!!! That Zkittlez is incredible SO! I love this strain in veg, it's just gorgeous, and yours is all that. They really took to the up potting like it was flicking a mosquito away, didn't they? I love that, I see it repeatedly. When you do it properly, this is often what happens. Great work by you.

If I may share what I've seen on that watering thing you mentioned? - I always put my incoming pot in thoroughly wet. That way, there is no need to water the center original rootball at first. I begin with just watering the edges for like the first three or four waterings right after transplant, and then on maybe the fifth, I do only the center mass from as high a pour point as possible to drive O2 to the roots. Done like that, the center mass watering is the same thing as watering to soaking the whole pot. I continue that cycle until I flip or in the case of autos until I see the first pre-flowers and flowering pistils. The reason I do it like that is because of my interpretation of @Emilya's watering techniques, combined with a touch of @Bill284's center mass watering methodology. All that comes down to is that the time directly following transplant is the most important and most productive time for us to build out the roots of the plant (talking soil here). It's exactly when, imho, one should be using the edge watering to it's max, especially with autos where it's a race to fill the pot with roots before flower as much as possible. Once flowering starts the plant is going to change it's feeding routine and it won't focus it's energy as much on root production due to using it for flowering, thankfully for us, lol. So it's only logical to change it up at that point. But until then all I want to do is use the edges as often as possible, as my only mission then is to build the rootball outwards.

Just a bit of a different perspective than what you described, for what it's worth.

EDIT: the other advantage is that when you stick to the outside only, especially in a geopot, they will dry faster and use the water faster, thus necessitating more frequent watering. This means more frequent feeding (non organic grows) and thus just more everything, in my experience.

Thoughtful technique Jon! I get it and will keep it in mind. We work for the same outcome, roots! Can't go wrong if you're growing roots!

 

[dynamo1]

You could grow one of the Candidas outside if they're coming along nicely now.

My Candida is growing to go outside again this year.

 

[Trala]

Hi Mr Otter

Your garden looks so beautiful

I would like to throw my watering technique in since we are discussing it.

First I take a towel, an old shirt or any largish piece of material will do. I fill up empty 2L milk containers with water, I have 8 in total. I then stealthfully sneak up behind my plant, cover her face with a towel and I waterboard her till she’s literally gasping and peeing water! Then just to keep them guessing I’ll spasmodically hit them with a hose blast every now and then. Just so they know, any time could be waterboard time, so stay alert, look pretty or I’ll fuck you up.

 

[BakedARea]

any time could be waterboard time, so stay alert, look pretty or I’ll fuck you up.

Sounds like a fun Friday night to me!!!

 

[BakedARea]

We work for the same outcome, roots! Can't go wrong if you're growing roots!

As for my watering technique, apparently I just let mine get to the point of Sahara desert sand for a while, until @Trala and others tell me to get my head out my ass and give them water. Then I give them a tiny sprinkle, here and there, for another month...or two...

It's a shit technique if you ask me!

 

[StoneOtter]

My Candida is growing to go outside again this year.

I'm starting to believe that's the future of one or both of these dynamo.

Hi Mr Otter

Your garden looks so beautiful

I would like to throw my watering technique in since we are discussing it.

First I take a towel, an old shirt or any largish piece of material will do. I fill up empty 2L milk containers with water, I have 8 in total. I then stealthfully sneak up behind my plant, cover her face with a towel and I waterboard her till she’s literally gasping and peeing water! Then just to keep them guessing I’ll spasmodically hit them with a hose blast every now and then. Just so they know, any time could be waterboard time, so stay alert, look pretty or I’ll fuck you up.

It's like we grew up in the same hometown dear . Again with the Giant Smile!

 

[StoneOtter]

As for my watering technique, apparently I just let mine get to the point of Sahara desert sand for a while, until @Trala and others tell me to get my head out my ass and give them water. Then I give them a tiny sprinkle, here and there, for another month...or two...

It's a shit technique if you ask me!

Hey Baked! It's a technique indeed!

 

[BakedARea]

Hey Baked! It's a technique indeed!

I call it my droughting preparation technique. Heard it here first folks!

 

[Trala]

As for my watering technique, apparently I just let mine get to the point of Sahara desert sand for a while, until @Trala and others tell me to get my head out my ass and give them water. Then I give them a tiny sprinkle, here and there, for another month...or two...

It's a shit technique if you ask me!

LOLLLLLLINGGGGGG!

BakedArea: What’s wrong with my plant?

Everyone but Trala: She’s thirsty. Fill a crystal glass with water, no warmer than 29 degrees. Gently bring it to her mouth. Give her small sips while gently stroking her. Slowly quench her thirst while reassuring her she is a good and thirsty girl. Try singing to her as you do it.

Trala: She’s thirsty. Tackle her, put your foot on her chest, throw a towel over her face and waterboard her like she’s a terrorist who stole your TV remote.

 

[Trala]

I call it my droughting preparation technique. Heard it here first folks!

S C R E A M I N G !

 

[StoneOtter]

I call it my droughting preparation technique. Heard it here first folks!

That's my preference when I can every time!

 

[Verbalist]

FINAL POT UP AND RE TENTING UPDATE

Hi all, these ladies were pretty done with their 3 gallon pots after two weeks so up to the penthouse suite they go. It appeared to me they were stalled for a couple of days so I looked at roots and found plenty. I even remembered to root prune one of the Zkittlez'z so we can maybe see a difference. Not clones so it's not a real fair look. Let's call it a gaze.
Here's how the day went.
I got my alleged all fixed soil open to mix 7 gallon batches one at a time.
A dose of @DYNOMYCO gets mixed in

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• StoneOtter
• May 9, 2022
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Dynomyco mixing

Then a @GeoPot gets dampened with water and sprinkled with a mix for flowering and some small piles of ground oyster shell.

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• StoneOtter
• May 9, 2022

Bottom layer recipe

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• StoneOtter
• May 9, 2022

Bottom layers of the pot

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• StoneOtter
• May 9, 2022

Yeah man!

Not forgetting @Amy Gardner 's wetting the roots before mycoing them. It really does help stick it on!

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• StoneOtter
• May 9, 2022

Roots waiting pruning

Everyone got a haircut. Kosher Kush was funny. She went alternating nodes very early so I won't have two tops to train out with her. That's ok

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• StoneOtter
• May 9, 2022

A stub left over is good

And let's hope they live happily ever after under the @NextLight Mega

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• StoneOtter
• May 9, 2022

CoffeeShopSeeds bunch

But with the good comes the not so today. I wasn't able to take care enough of my summer grow and they all perished. I'm a horrible multi tasker. Now the 4 ladies of the main event are safe in the 4 x 4 I should be ok to start another bunch in the 3 x 3.

Oh hehe, yes I did root prune one Zkittlez. I got overwhelmed with the task at hand and forgot to snap a pic. Sorry. It had roots similar to the one in the earlier pic and I sliced every 3 inches from the bottom to about halfway up a quarter inch deep. I didn't like doing it. I peppered it good with some myko after I sprayed it down with water

Candida's in 1 gallon pots getting happier by the minute!

WEEEEEEE!

Oh wow didn't realize theyre that big girls already


So they under NextLight Mega, huh? Should love it!
How intense photons they receiving from that mega-sun?

Have a nice day brother
- V

 

[StoneOtter]

Oh wow didn't realize theyre that big girls already


So they under NextLight Mega, huh? Should love it!
How intense photons they receiving from that mega-sun?

Have a nice day brother
- V

Yeah, they perked up right off in there Verb! They see between 600 and 700 PAR today. Didn't it seem to happen overnight? But they're 50 days there.

 

[Verbalist]

Yeah, they perked up right off in there Verb! They see between 600 and 700 PAR today. Didn't it seem to happen overnight? But they're 50 days there.

Yuh they tend to perk up faster while they got to rest
600-700 umol/m2/s sounds decent. Under 12/12 schedule they prob would love +1000ppfd which gives an ideal DLI of 40-50.

 

[StoneOtter]

Yuh they tend to perk up faster while they got to rest
600-700 umol/m2/s sounds decent. Under 12/12 schedule they prob would love +1000ppfd which gives an ideal DLI of 40-50.

I try to get most of them to 1000 PAR flowering. That makes bud you can hardly grind it's so dense.

 

[Verbalist]

I try to get most of them to 1000 PAR flowering. That makes bud you can hardly grind it's so dense.

Ye
Just careful when you exceed over 60 DLI or over 1200ppfd during the flowering. SanLight did a comparison growth report with photoperiods and when going over 60 DLI flowers started to bleach. Bleached flowers yielded more but the quality may suffer.

 

[Jon]

Ye
Just careful when you exceed over 60 DLI or over 1200ppfd during the flowering. SanLight did a comparison growth report with photoperiods and when going over 60 DLI flowers started to bleach. Bleached flowers yielded more but the quality may suffer.

Depends on the strain. My Titan is at around 1300 and the big tent is around 1350 ppfd. Depends a lot on the strain and the light you're using. My cutoff is 1400. Once I budded the Jelly Rancher (gorgeous plant with huge, dense buds) out at 1350 I learned they actually can take a TON more light than I thought. Others though, are very much not this way and don't like too much. Which is why I say depends on the strain.

 

[BakedARea]

I try to get most of them to 1000 PAR flowering. That makes bud you can hardly grind it's so dense.

Another thing to consider is the "need" to supplement CO² with increased PPFD outputs. Anything above 800 supposedly starts pushing the plants to require a higher CO² % correct? Do you all supplement CO² at these higher amounts of light?