Woodsman's Northern Light #5 Grow

Hello my friend, I agree with you about the Lime I used it very lightly on my last nute feed and again today. I read this morning that fish emulsion lowers the pH slightly so I added a teaspoon of lime to a gallon of dist. water and fish emulsion. Now I feel better knowing that that you would recommend it!

I think it must have been my imagination because when I took them upstairs several hours later, the yellowed leaves seemed to me to have darkened a little. Probably the bad lighting. Supposed to take up to a week to recover. Wondering, do the yellowing leaves recover and become green, or do they just die.

Yup I sure need a tester. Funny, I only feel that I need a tester, when I really need a tester! I know now that if ya want the best results out of your grow, ya gotta have the right stuff. Or let's say it 'helps' to have the right stuff. I guess that would mean, the right soil (if your doing soil that is), pH tester and something to correct it with, the correct fertilizers and then there's the lighting, ventilation/fans etc. etc. and all the other grow room equipment that may be considered a luxury to some and a necessity to others. I may have to finish this grow witha lot of 'withouts'. It's a challenge and that actually makes the grow feel even more exciting. :yahoo:

Hi Woodsman I too had yellowing bottom leaves a few days ago, so I added some fish emulsion. Next day I had twice as many yellowing leaves ? Then flushed them good to get it all cleaned out. Best made plans
sometimes, go BOOM in our face, :smokin2::smokin2:
 

You guys are really funny, it's just great!

How are ya doing my friend OMM?

So I have Fatleaf out on the porch today cause she's ailing, right. By the way, I typed in 'Fartleaf' by mistake and had to correct it, but she should be named Fartleaf for what she's doing to me now! Anyway back to what I was getting at before.... I set her down on our huge flagstone coffee table out on the deck and it dawned on me how tiny she was! Now I knew that the plants were not that large, but until I saw her outside earlier, I never realized that they or she that is, is a tiny little plant. At least compared to plant I would normally be growing out on the deck. In fact if you look in a couple of the last photos, you see in the background a large green pot (my wifes dead lime is in it). That is a pot that I've used outside. I don't know how many gallons it is, maybe 10 or a little more? But you could take Fartleaf and stick her, pot and all, inside of that green pot and only the canopy would be showing! Now she is in the middle, size wise of the three. Big girl is about twice her size (height and width). The third plant would disappear completely into that pot!
 
Hi Woodsman I too had yellowing bottom leaves a few days ago, so I added some fish emulsion. Next day I had twice as many yellowing leaves ? Then flushed them good to get it all cleaned out. Best made plans
sometimes, go BOOM in our face, :smokin2::smokin2:

So what happened with the leaves? Their status that is.
 
You guys are really funny, it's just great!

How are ya doing my friend OMM?

So I have Fatleaf out on the porch today cause she's ailing, right. By the way, I typed in 'Fartleaf' by mistake and had to correct it, but she should be named Fartleaf for what she's doing to me now! Anyway back to what I was getting at before.... I set her down on our huge flagstone coffee table out on the deck and it dawned on me how tiny she was! Now I knew that the plants were not that large, but until I saw her outside earlier, I never realized that they or she that is, is a tiny little plant. At least compared to plant I would normally be growing out on the deck. In fact if you look in a couple of the last photos, you see in the background a large green pot (my wifes dead lime is in it). That is a pot that I've used outside. I don't know how many gallons it is, maybe 10 or a little more? But you could take Fartleaf and stick her, pot and all, inside of that green pot and only the canopy would be showing! Now she is in the middle, size wise of the three. Big girl is about twice her size (height and width). The third plant would disappear completely into that pot!

Doing just fine my friend. Roseman and Mostly Crazy just has me LMAO.

Well, everything is relevant, Buddy. Comparing is not good sometimes :smokin2:

Thinking of that 10 gallon pot and your indoor girls is not fair. It makes you think of how much time and trouble the little ones have caused you, for miniature plants. You have heard that size doesn't matter and this time it's true. You have a great journal and have made lots of friends. Even a nom for MOTM. I would say those girls are magnificent. :ganjamon::yummy::ganjamon:
 
So what happened with the leaves? Their status that is.

They are still yellow, but will be gone when I replant them. I do like PitViper and remove most of the leaves up to about a foot when I put them in flower.
Most of the leaves and growth below a foot don't really contribute much to the plant once they are covered with big fan leaves up higher. May get a few worthless popcorn buds. Of course, I am talking about outdoor plants, so I don't know about smaller in door plants. My two grows have been outdoor so I really don't know if removing them on your plants would be good or not.
Pit also thinks it helps with air circulation. It worked good last grow, so will do it again. Sorry, I wasn't much help to you. :reading420magazine:
 
They are still yellow, but will be gone when I replant them. I do like PitViper and remove most of the leaves up to about a foot when I put them in flower.
Most of the leaves and growth below a foot don't really contribute much to the plant once they are covered with big fan leaves up higher. May get a few worthless popcorn buds. Of course, I am talking about outdoor plants, so I don't know about smaller in door plants. My two grows have been outdoor so I really don't know if removing them on your plants would be good or not.
Pit also thinks it helps with air circulation. It worked good last grow, so will do it again. Sorry, I wasn't much help to you. :reading420magazine:
RoorRipGood Mornin. Me and Lilbit (in spirit..smoke, whatever) came by to visit. I normally do not agree with removal of fans...but I think in veg and right before blooming keeping that space clear is important. I have been having explosive growth on BB Cheese and have been cutting off any under canopy leaves or stalks with no chance. I let the leaves sort out covering the stem with their flat "solar panels", built in sun tracker...wonder how long before we have wires coming from genetically engineered plants for producing electricity? :ganjamon: MountainHigh Power Company...plug into an entire forest...no more tree cutting......have to use HEMP like we should of been all along....serious 1000 year old trees for lumber? Rut roh...

I can't wait til they break the ban on hemp fibers...I want a house built from pressed hemp fiber board.

Oh wait, talking about cutting fan leaves...back on track we go. Yeah every time I rack her down now I removed any undergrowth that has little or no chance of getting productive. She has 14 tops now at 29 days from poking her head out. (Would of been 17 or more but I took 3 clones.) She still has 10 days or so before bloom, it is nice having "patience" enough to let her grow. RoorRipI also decided to stage this grow and put one plant in every month so I keep one giant plant, one big plant and one small plant...should maximize my per plant yield. :ganjamon:

Can't believe I just posted all this in your journal Woods...(and I have erased more than I typed too...:bongrip:), Maybe I should start a journal to ramble in until I get a camera. :grinjoint:

:peace: my friend from the mountains after the storm. :yahoo:
 
RoorRipGood Mornin. Me and Lilbit (in spirit..smoke, whatever) came by to visit. I normally do not agree with removal of fans...but I think in veg and right before blooming keeping that space clear is important. I have been having explosive growth on BB Cheese and have been cutting off any under canopy leaves or stalks with no chance. I let the leaves sort out covering the stem with their flat "solar panels", built in sun tracker...wonder how long before we have wires coming from genetically engineered plants for producing electricity? :ganjamon: MountainHigh Power Company...plug into an entire forest...no more tree cutting......have to use HEMP like we should of been all along....serious 1000 year old trees for lumber? Rut roh...

I can't wait til they break the ban on hemp fibers...I want a house built from pressed hemp fiber board.

Oh wait, talking about cutting fan leaves...back on track we go. Yeah every time I rack her down now I removed any undergrowth that has little or no chance of getting productive. She has 14 tops now at 29 days from poking her head out. (Would of been 17 or more but I took 3 clones.) She still has 10 days or so before bloom, it is nice having "patience" enough to let her grow. RoorRipI also decided to stage this grow and put one plant in every month so I keep one giant plant, one big plant and one small plant...should maximize my per plant yield. :ganjamon:

Can't believe I just posted all this in your journal Woods...(and I have erased more than I typed too...:bongrip:), Maybe I should start a journal to ramble in until I get a camera. :grinjoint:

:peace: my friend from the mountains after the storm. :yahoo:

Bro, I don't think Woodsman would mind. Were still talking about growing and smoking...he likes that kinda stuff.:ganjamon:

MountainHigh Power Company Sounds good to me. Cheap living power.
The lumber industry would be pissed.:whoa::whoa:
Your staging plans sounds like a good idea and with clones it could be continuous. :ganjamon:

Well, you've done a grow without a camera before.......HeHe :ganjamon:
 
OK, here's my 2 cents. Not a good idea to cut a healthy leaf from a plant. The plant is just going to try and replace that leaf and you want it concentrating on other growth.

You don't cut leaves or limbs off a tree while it's growing in summer so why do it here. Do you trim roses mid season before the flower buds develop? How about trimming up a tomato plant - not? When you switch to 12/12 the plant also uses those leaves as a spare fuel tank and they will drop off soon enough.
 
OK, here's my 2 cents. Not a good idea to cut a healthy leaf from a plant. The plant is just going to try and replace that leaf and you want it concentrating on other growth.

You don't cut leaves or limbs off a tree while it's growing in summer so why do it here. Do you trim roses mid season before the flower buds develop? How about trimming up a tomato plant - not? When you switch to 12/12 the plant also uses those leaves as a spare fuel tank and they will drop off soon enough.

Well, actually we were talking about dead yellow leaves, however last grow I did half with the bottom cut and half with out them cut. I honestly had better and more buds on the ones without under brush. It's in my first journal. Course you are probably right, that first grow was stressed to hell anyway.:smokin2::smokin2:
 
woods,
the pic right before sara, is the one that worries me....the kinda yellowing might be age, but watch that speckled stuff on the leaves...i posted a pic of leaves that i had that i finally got over, i think, that started like that...some told me it was fert burn, so i clear x'ed her, i just went thru similar with the girls that i transplanted...i wish i knew what it is too, but youre not alone...then, around where your yellow is, mine mildewed, but they were in the veg room thank G; so i had the ability to play with cures...and not damage a bud....sorry, wish i knew...most of us buy our soil at the same place, the same brand, but he changed his formula...who knows why, and all of us, at least 30 growers ended up with this when we transplanted...he was a good soil maker, but i told the store, either he quits fooling with it or i go to sunshine....so the message has been sent to him...from all of us....it never goes completely smooth does it? lavendar:rollit:
did you change your brand of soil when you transplanted? or do anything different?
 
i also cut off the bottom, but only for a foot above the dirt...i use them for clones...also agree about the air getting to it....it just dies...
no big buds...
i'm also now addicted to liquid light...that stuff works...
:reading420magazine:
 
I wouldn't cut the head off just yet! Too many unintended consequenses. Cutting her hands and feet wouldn't work either. She'll just kick my ass and slap me silly on the 2 for 1 split! Max production is not what I look for in a woman. I let mine grow naturally. LOL! The rest can be fun though!
 
Funny thing is...I have a MH in my flower room right now. Just because that's what i have available. It could work out for me better than i thought.
Nicademus,
I consulted one of our most respected growers at 420 mag. about this, when my hps shit the bed , about 1/2 way thru the 12/12 cycle, and was advised to my relief that some folks grow with mh the entire grow and have great results. And as it turned out, he was right !! I noticed no difference in production, Next time i'm trying complete darkness for the last two wks. . :grinjoint:
 
Phew.........Just got done reading thru the pages. great journal. The 'fatleaf' looks like just a diff Pheno to me. There are alot of similarities between them, and only a few slight differences. I always like to get a few different Phenotypes if possible, and if I can I'll save a cutting off of my fav for later breeding. I guess you'll know for sure when their done, eh?

I was also checking out the pics of deficiencies on page 70, and have an Idea. I recently had a plant in coco do pretty much the same thing. Notice the red stems and how the leaves are yellowing from the tips in, and the veins stay green longer. I would bet that your plants have depleted the calcium in the soil to a critical level by now, and need suppliments. For mine I used cal-mag max (I know i sound like a broken record by now) but You'd probably want to go with an organic version. something with the iron, magnesium, and other micros if possible. When I supplimented with the calmag I knew it was working once the yellowing stopped moving up the plant, and the leaves darkened up. Also, most calmag type products contain a little nitrogen too (Calcium Nitrate if i'm not mistaken.) so that'll help too. Sorry if someone already suggested this, maybe I missed it.

...anyways I liike your journal, theres some funny stuff in here!! I cant wait to see how your NL5 turn out. So far my fav NL is the #9 - That strain beat the hell out of the others in my garden!!

Good luck man!!! I know I'm a little late, but I just pulled up a chair, grabbed the Popcorn, and medicated, so I think I'll stick around for a while.
:nicethread::popcorn::popcorn:RoorRip
 
Doing just fine my friend. Roseman and Mostly Crazy just has me LMAO.

Well, everything is relevant, Buddy. Comparing is not good sometimes :smokin2:

Thinking of that 10 gallon pot and your indoor girls is not fair. It makes you think of how much time and trouble the little ones have caused you, for miniature plants. You have heard that size doesn't matter and this time it's true. You have a great journal and have made lots of friends. Even a nom for MOTM. I would say those girls are magnificent. :ganjamon::yummy::ganjamon:

They are still yellow, but will be gone when I replant them. I do like PitViper and remove most of the leaves up to about a foot when I put them in flower.
Most of the leaves and growth below a foot don't really contribute much to the plant once they are covered with big fan leaves up higher. May get a few worthless popcorn buds. Of course, I am talking about outdoor plants, so I don't know about smaller in door plants. My two grows have been outdoor so I really don't know if removing them on your plants would be good or not.
Pit also thinks it helps with air circulation. It worked good last grow, so will do it again. Sorry, I wasn't much help to you. :reading420magazine:

Hey OMM, don't get me wrong, I love my plants, just comparing size difference. when they're in the tent they look larger than when I had it outside where I'm used to seeing my plants.

About the leaves falling off, I just read over the part that talked about it and yes they will die off. Here is one of the links that I had been reading, the others are not part of this site so I won't link to them:

Cannabis Plant and Pest Problem Solver - Pictorial

I removed the lower leaves (bottom half) about the same time I went 12/12 an that was because I thought that since I'm not going to grow buds below the canopy level and doing a SOG type grow, they were just going to use the fuel up that other wise could be sent to the budding areas.
That shed is an awesome idea my friend!! I like it!

Thank you Joe, I 'hope' to do it, but i've talked about doing it in the past and it never got done! We'll see.. Like everything. the plywood or lattice will cast a few $.

Unlike most growers both indoor and outdoor one of my primary concerns is going to be, 'how am I going to afford all the soil medium that I'll need?' Before coming to this site (and others) less than a year ago, I had no clue about pH and this soil or that soil, I just got what they had at Wally's or Lowes. Now I know that it involved too much peat moss and manure! Both of which are reletively cheap.. Now I'm wondering how I'm going to afford 50 lbs of FFOF or Happy Frog! Were as before I'd use the peat, sand, manure and maybe a little potting soil. Probably why my stuff was not 'primo weed'. Now I know and it is a huge concern, that is in the back of my mind and will continue to be there until I figure out what to do! So having the shed is important, but having the soil is more so!

Bro, I don't think Woodsman would mind. Were still talking about growing and smoking...he likes that kinda stuff.:ganjamon:

MountainHigh Power Company Sounds good to me. Cheap living power.
The lumber industry would be pissed.:whoa::whoa:
Your staging plans sounds like a good idea and with clones it could be continuous. :ganjamon:

Well, you've done a grow without a camera before.......HeHe :ganjamon:

Mountain I didn't re quote your post because I'll comment off of OMM's here.

Mountain my friend, you can talk about your stuff on this site anytime you like! As Groover would say, 'no worries mate' How else are we going to know what's going on with you? You finished your journal and we don't want to loose you. Your great successful journal was a treat to many of us and we'll miss it!

OK, here's my 2 cents. Not a good idea to cut a healthy leaf from a plant. The plant is just going to try and replace that leaf and you want it concentrating on other growth.

You don't cut leaves or limbs off a tree while it's growing in summer so why do it here. Do you trim roses mid season before the flower buds develop? How about trimming up a tomato plant - not? When you switch to 12/12 the plant also uses those leaves as a spare fuel tank and they will drop off soon enough.

Where the fan leaves meet the stem (node ? don't know what it's called) there is the growth that will start to form buds. By taking off the lower fans, this pretty much stopped the continued growth on those tiny buds. That's the reason why I removed the foliage on the bottom half. They would not be receiving very much light, if any, and much energy would have been used and lost to produce the very very little buds, so I took'em out! Now I've seen this done before on SOGs and SCROGs. Otherwise I wouldn't have. On a normal grow whether it's a bush or a skyscraper I would not be removing perfectly healthy leaves.. MC, you are much more knowledgeable that I am about growing, so what your telling me has me somewhat concerned (too late now).
Well, actually we were talking about dead yellow leaves, however last grow I did half with the bottom cut and half with out them cut. I honestly had better and more buds on the ones without under brush. It's in my first journal. Course you are probably right, that first grow was stressed to hell anyway.:smokin2::smokin2:

Looking at your comparison is interesting OMM. Much of my reasoning for defoliating this time was because of my last grow where half my buds were on the lower half of the plant and I figured the plant wasted too much energy down there instead of putting to better use on top.

woods,
the pic right before sara, is the one that worries me....the kinda yellowing might be age, but watch that speckled stuff on the leaves...i posted a pic of leaves that i had that i finally got over, i think, that started like that...some told me it was fert burn, so i clear x'ed her, i just went thru similar with the girls that i transplanted...i wish i knew what it is too, but youre not alone...then, around where your yellow is, mine mildewed, but they were in the veg room thank G; so i had the ability to play with cures...and not damage a bud....sorry, wish i knew...most of us buy our soil at the same place, the same brand, but he changed his formula...who knows why, and all of us, at least 30 growers ended up with this when we transplanted...he was a good soil maker, but i told the store, either he quits fooling with it or i go to sunshine....so the message has been sent to him...from all of us....it never goes completely smooth does it? lavendar:rollit:
did you change your brand of soil when you transplanted? or do anything different?

I did not change the soil just added more. I use FFOF and Happy Frog mixed together.

Thanks for looking at my girl Lavendar. I think your talking about the fan leaf on the lower portion of the main cola? Ya there is something going on there. That side of the cola is facing away from the light though, and is also up against the Mylar in the back. Maybe that's why it is discolored? I hope it's nothing! I do have a tiny bit of leaf tip burn on many of the leaves and that's over fert correct? I find this difficult to understand as I have never given more than half strength when feeding! I even skipped a feeding when I had some low pH issues earlier in flower. I surely do not want to have to do a flush! I could not afford all that distilled water!

Tie that bully down and feed her, and she'll get fat and sticky !! So will her little sisters !!

Puffer I really enjoy the humor that you all bring to the thread. It's refreshing to be able to laugh in between the more serious discussions, right?
 
Don't worry about done deeds. Personally I like the underbuds as a change of pace from my colas. They seem to be more of a downer than the top and that probably directly related to the light they were exposed to. There are advantages to the trim up but it's a guessing game and I tend to trust mother nature more than my pruning skills.
 
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