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I'd wake up thinking that I was dreaming!
Woodsman's Northern Light #5 Grow
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I'd wake up thinking that I was dreaming!
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Today I did some rearranging of the plants. Took the larger plants that had the best seats in the house and swapped locations with the two smaller plants. Letting them get the best lighting so they will catch up a bit..
Also my little one, #5 was looking a little pale today so I fed it for the first time. I was going to wait till I did a fert feed on the others (tomorrow or the next day) but it looked like she just couldn't wait. We'll see tomorrow how she's doing. Not only was she a paler shade of green, but her leaf veins were not as prominent as the others. Not as much definition to them. It was pretty much right on schedule for her first feeding. She's really only at two weeks out of the ground, about a week younger than the larger plants. I'm confident that the problem is nutrition related. I've also positioned her right under the 100w MH where the big girl was. Best seat in the house!
Also my little one, #5 was looking a little pale today so I fed it for the first time. I was going to wait till I did a fert feed on the others (tomorrow or the next day) but it looked like she just couldn't wait. We'll see tomorrow how she's doing. Not only was she a paler shade of green, but her leaf veins were not as prominent as the others. Not as much definition to them. It was pretty much right on schedule for her first feeding. She's really only at two weeks out of the ground, about a week younger than the larger plants. I'm confident that the problem is nutrition related. I've also positioned her right under the 100w MH where the big girl was. Best seat in the house!
Soundz like it's time for the little one to put up or shut up! You've given her everything she should need.
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I've treated her well, I've given here everything she demands. Now I want to see what she has become!
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Here are two photos of my two smallest girls. The first pic is of plant #5 that is looking quite pale . I figure she's telling me she's very hungry. The pic was just taken and she was fed for the first time about two hours before with 1/4 strength nutes (Alaskan Fish Emulsion). The second pic is of plant #4, the second smallest plant (a few days older than #5) #4 was fed for the first time with the other plants 10 days ago. As you see, #5 was actually overdue by a few days. By looking at the two photos you will be able to see how pale the first one is compared to the second. Also notice the difference in the leaf veins, #5 in the first pic has very 'muted' veins, while on #4 leaves the veins are very well pronounced.
Please any grow expert out there, please tell me that this is just a starvation issue and will be resolved with today's feeding. If not please, advise and ideas are most welcome.
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Please any grow expert out there, please tell me that this is just a starvation issue and will be resolved with today's feeding. If not please, advise and ideas are most welcome.
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Here To Learn
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I am no expert but I believe that what you are seeing is a lack of nutrients. This can take a while to change in soil as everything does. Remember I have been dealing with the zinc deficiency for about three or four weeks now.
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Thanks HTL, that's what I would think. I'll know very shortly as they were just fed. Any other opinions?
The appear to be over-watered my friend. growing fast though
BreakPoint
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which one the pale one or the very pronounced-veined one? I've got a pronounced veined plant looking just like that...
Hypo Hippy
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Woodsman....thanks for the help in steering me the right way on my thread. You have a sweet deal running here. I love this site...very, very helpful. Thanks again. I think I got it right.
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Hello BreakPoint the first pic is the one in question, very pale and the other is the healthy one
I did water it the other day but wouldn't it just wilt a little if that was the case?
Welcome to the thread Hypo, your signature looks perfect. I think that most of us had the same start as you. Great grow over there!
BreakPoint
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you're a lucky guy man. just like with 420 it's much more liberating when you can share your interest with someone else...especially people close to you...a wife is the PERFECT smokin' bud! to smoke bud with..lol. If you're like me you'll have to keep both indica and sativa around so you don't get "used" to it...
BreakPoint
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oh okay so that pronounced thing is good. cool beans I didn't know that. I was stressin' wonderin what was wrong with my plants!
Hypo Hippy
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Yo Woodsman,
Thanks for the link. Man my head is swimming with all the helpful hints and techniques floating around in it....lol. Anyhow, very nice grow you got going. I like you use of LST and intend on doing some to a couple of my plants tomorrow. I think I will try FIMing one of the plants to see how that fares as well. Thanks for all your help....you guys are AWESOME!
Thanks for the link. Man my head is swimming with all the helpful hints and techniques floating around in it....lol. Anyhow, very nice grow you got going. I like you use of LST and intend on doing some to a couple of my plants tomorrow. I think I will try FIMing one of the plants to see how that fares as well. Thanks for all your help....you guys are AWESOME!
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Well in the first plant I was referring to the leaves that are very flat and kind of two dimensional , the veins are thin and unpronounced compared to the second plant that has more ridges and 'pronounced' valleys (where the veins are) more three dimensional if you like.
Your quite welcome to come and visit anytime! Good luck with your grow. I'll check in on ya from time to time.
Sometimes there is too much to absorb at once. Just take it in slowly and go at a pace that is comfortable for you.
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Some plans concerning the grow.
If I had my way and a more powerful lighting system to go along with it, I'd love to grow my Northern Light plants without any cropping or LST or FIM. just one main cola. Unfortunately that's not possible with the set up that I have. The 100w HPS and the several CFLs are not powerful enough and cannot penetrate enough light very far into the plant. That leaves a choice of topping (which is what I have always done in the past) or some sort of manual manipulation like LST which I've already begun somewhat.
I'm doing it very gradual. One day the plants are tied down and the next day I release them. Each day the plant develops more growth underneath. Eventually when I am satisfied that the plants are tall enough and thick enough, I'll tie or possibly just bend them down by pinching the stem about a third of the way up from the ground. Very much like a fallen tree that you'd see lying in the woods, not dead, still very much alive and with new growth all along it's fallen trunk shooting upwards towards the light. In doing so, I'll be able to utilize my limited lighting system to it's maximum potential.
If I had my way and a more powerful lighting system to go along with it, I'd love to grow my Northern Light plants without any cropping or LST or FIM. just one main cola. Unfortunately that's not possible with the set up that I have. The 100w HPS and the several CFLs are not powerful enough and cannot penetrate enough light very far into the plant. That leaves a choice of topping (which is what I have always done in the past) or some sort of manual manipulation like LST which I've already begun somewhat.
I'm doing it very gradual. One day the plants are tied down and the next day I release them. Each day the plant develops more growth underneath. Eventually when I am satisfied that the plants are tall enough and thick enough, I'll tie or possibly just bend them down by pinching the stem about a third of the way up from the ground. Very much like a fallen tree that you'd see lying in the woods, not dead, still very much alive and with new growth all along it's fallen trunk shooting upwards towards the light. In doing so, I'll be able to utilize my limited lighting system to it's maximum potential.
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Hey Woodsman,
I just smoked a bowl of my NL and I think I'm going to zone out on your journal.
We are growing the same strain, NL#5, purchased from the same seed bank and at about the same time and I think after our grows we will be able to answer a lot of questions on our minds and I look forward to the results. Budget vs. non budget? Seeds vs. clones? Do I really need more lighting? 600wt vs 100wt and CFL's? Fish emulsion and molasses vs. FF trio, bud candy and olivia's for the youngsters? LST vs. top vs. natural? Does more money equal bigger harvests? I have this gut feeling that I might be throwing money away if your NL harvest per plant equals or exceeds your mazar grow and I hope it does.
I agree very much with what you are saying about the lighting but is it possible to really have enough light other than natural. When I bought my light I did some research and found people saying that a 600wt, 95,000 lumens, light was enough to get a really good grow and I do get good grows but I also find the light does not penetrate the canopy like I thought it was going to and now I think I need more lighting for the undergrowth so I'm checking into three 2' T5, 10,000 lumens each, lights to mount on the sides of the grow room, that would be a total of 125k lumens but would the added harvest equal or exceed the cost of the lighting?
I've never tried LSTing because I never thought I was going to have to worry about plant height but my Crystal has proven me wrong as it has grown taller than my 78" tent will allow and a single 600wt just won't reach the lower canopy so with your great advice I have tied her down and this is allowing more light to reach more area. On each of the three grows I've done I've had topped plants and not topped plants. The non topped plants are more beautiful to look at because you have that big beautiful main cola but I think that is about all you get, well on indicas you get the huge water leaves that you have to cut off or tuck under and I don't think doing either helps out that much with the lighting. The topped plants seem to have smaller leaf size with more of the under growth shooting to the light and my harvests have been about 20% more. I've started some clones early for the next grow and I'm going to try double topping some and see what happens and if I ever get the nerve I will try LSTing.
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Great comments Dreamin,
I am so happy to hear that the NL#5 that we both have 'works' and gets you 'zoned out'! As you know my Mazar is only 'good' and I did not achieve the desired outcome that I had so much wanted. Hopefully that was the results of either bad genetics or just expired 'shelf life' leftover seeds that were just being given out to get rid of them rather than anything done on my end. Like bad or insufficient lighting, bad or wrong kind soil (mostly peat), pH being off (I had no meter to check). With these seeds, which are the ones I ordered, I will value greatly your grow and smoke reports!
I would think that you can have enough 'artificial' lighting. even with 400w hid just need the correct conditions. the addition of the side lighting your thinking of (T5's) sounds worth it.. If you were going to grow without any manipulation, that should work. Without additional lighting on tall plants it's possible to trim off the lower growth thus having only the top portion illuminated like SOG . Kind of like a pine forest with very little lower growth. If I had the room (height) and was not wanting to be very 'active' with the grow, that would be a good solution. Rather than the almost daily work involved with any manual manipulations or 'MM' (at least in the beginning). I've always wondered if potency is related to any of this. For instance all the energy used in producing the extra stems, leaves, buds (even though they are individually smaller) of LST, cropping etc... Compared to natural growth with fewer but larger colas. I wonder if potency drops with the added effort the plant must exert with 'MM'
On the other hand your right about smaller leaf size with MM and perhaps that evens out the energy expenditure somewhat? Although if you are sure that your producing possibly 20% more with MM then there is added effort on the part of the plant! Deep! My head is starting to hurt from my thought efforts!
Double toppings you mentioned will definitely slow down (delay, as in time) the grow. But grow you a bush! If my theory above, questioning the possible shortcomings of MM has validity, then I would use MM only if necessary. For indoor crops, space and lighting. For outdoor crops, stealth as in keeping the plants short (as in my case) yet as wide as possible. If you do crop or use FIM do it early (3rd or fourth node) and them if you do in again, after two nodes (my way). If you do it later, it's a total waste of everything that is underneath. That part becomes irrelevant later in growth.
As I describe in my previous post above concerning my plan, I will try to bend the plant over later in it's veg state. Imagine a 90 deg bend about three,four or five inches above the ground with maybe ten inches of horizontal stem with growth at all the nodes from the bend to the original top all growing up to the light. I'm encouraging this growth now by alternating my LST from day to day. Vertical growth one day and undergrowth the next until I've reached the desired size or height.
I'm rambling too much and am afraid that I'm repeating myself trying to respond to your great comments above.
Hey brother. Just peeked my head in on your girls. They are looking very nice. You can bet there is always going to be one plant that gives you some trouble!
Here might be some help as far as the light questions go!
Here might be some help as far as the light questions go!
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I'm hoping it's initial feeding will solve her problem. Thanks for the link! I just read it through and it is very insightful! I think I'll be taking a white colored board and place it under the 100w MH to see what I'm getting (or missing) That's a very interesting and easy way of judging the correct distance and getting the maximum efficient light to the canopy. Thanks Bro!