Wheelo's 3rd run - Attack of the Holy Shoots

WheeloFortune said:
according to SC, there is no need to flush, this is what he says in the article:

"Buds grown with this method finish with a fade and a smoother, fruitier flavor. The plants aren’t green at harvest time, but rather purple, red, orange, even black—plus the resin content is heavier, and the terpenes always seem more pungent."

mine are yellow. lol. a couple little purple spots here and there. :bongrip: i'll have a direct comparison to evaluate this statement.
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Who is the "he" you reference here? As a fellow ScrOGger, I am most interested in this article. Could you point me to it?

Your ScrOG has me nostalgic for my last one. Looks great Wheelo.
 
he is - SC - is Sub Cool. remember post #729? lol.

you've probably read it but I'll pm you anyways.

thanks man, a couple more days and They're coming down. . . I'm gonna check trics under the microscope in a few minutes
 
well just for accuracy's sake, I smoked the smallest HS. which was only 1.6 grams.

now i'm on to the next shit I took, which weighed in at 2.6 grams.

there's 40 bucks i just saved, lol.
 
plus, I think i'm gonna take down the scrog tonight when the lights come on. so I might have some harvest pics later tonight.

trics seem to be about 25% clear, 60% milky, 15% amber. . . so nice and heady like I like it.
 
WheeloFortune said:
plus, I think i'm gonna take down the scrog tonight when the lights come on. so I might have some harvest pics later tonight.

trics seem to be about 25% clear, 60% milky, 15% amber. . . so nice and heady like I like it.
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Now thats a harvest..4am munchies..oh yeah..:goodjob:
 
Setting Sun said:
I'm gonna hittin' my update button ;).
happy scroggin'! :rasta:
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OK, here we go. . .

McBudz said:
Scrog is looking beautiful my friend. Great work.
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thanks McFatDaddy, this was my first SS, and i learned quite a bit. I'm thinking about trying an ebb and grow system like you, what do you think. I've done an ebb and flo tray before, but never individual buckets and a controller. . . I want to do another supersoil, but it will take me months to do it and let it sit proper. just looking for less work and haven't found it yet.

The Butcher said:
Now thats a harvest..4am munchies..oh yeah..:goodjob:
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thanks bro, just smoked the ball i scraped off my scissors. this is going to be a fun post ;)
 
alright guys, I took down the scrog tonight, and it was actually pretty easy. I undid the pipe cleaners I used to attach it to the pvc, and peeled the screen up and off the buds.

before I did that I took some last pics,

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I took each one out, here is the first one

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then I trimmed them all

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then I put them in the rack in the closet to dry. 5 days and ill have some more pics dried

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so how much do you guys think I'll get dry? I think 6-8 oz. not too bad for 400 watts. nothing to write home about in terms of yield, but I bet the bud will be fantastic.
 
I got 8 oz dry from 5 square feet of screen under a 400 watt. I thought it was a good yield. What did you expect to get from your ScrOG?
 
Less work and more buds is the name of my game ;)

With my setup the way it is I change res's every ten days and just monitor pH and top off about every 5 days. Not counting times where I harvest transplant or clone I literally spend a few minutes each day in the grow room. Cloning 12 plants takes about an hour. Transplanting clones into veg ebb and flow tray.. about 1 hour including res management. (Not including time it takes to fill res.) I set an alarm clock and just check on it while I do another things around the home. Suppose I could get some float valves for this purpose but I cannot afford that type of mechanical failure). A few weeks later transplanting from veg to ebb and grow flower about an hour to 1.5 hours.

All in all very little work day to day. And I usually see fantastic results for such little babysitting type work. By far my favorite setup.

Also I feel like ebb and flow setups are most efficient as it represents nature's wet dry cycles just more frequently. Less risk of root disease since you are not constantly sitting in water. pH tends to be more stable if enough res volume per plant is used. In early veg 2 gal per plant is more than enough. In flower 5 gal per is better. I see very little drift using these rules. Less drift = less work and less problems. :peace:

WheeloFortune said:
OK, here we go. . .
thanks McFatDaddy, this was my first SS, and i learned quite a bit. I'm thinking about trying an ebb and grow system like you, what do you think. I've done an ebb and flo tray before, but never individual buckets and a controller. . . I want to do another supersoil, but it will take me months to do it and let it sit proper. just looking for less work and haven't found it yet.
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munki said:
I got 8 oz dry from 5 square feet of screen under a 400 watt. I thought it was a good yield. What did you expect to get from your ScrOG?
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i was hoping to get 10 oz, but that was just a wish. . . i will be perfectly happy with 8, if i only get 6, i'd be a bit disappointed. but anything over .5g/w is cool with me.
 
McBudz said:
Less work and more buds is the name of my game ;)

With my setup the way it is I change res's every ten days and just monitor pH and top off about every 5 days. Not counting times where I harvest transplant or clone I literally spend a few minutes each day in the grow room. Cloning 12 plants takes about an hour. Transplanting clones into veg ebb and flow tray.. about 1 hour including res management. (Not including time it takes to fill res.) I set an alarm clock and just check on it while I do another things around the home. Suppose I could get some float valves for this purpose but I cannot afford that type of mechanical failure). A few weeks later transplanting from veg to ebb and grow flower about an hour to 1.5 hours.

All in all very little work day to day. And I usually see fantastic results for such little babysitting type work. By far my favorite setup.

Also I feel like ebb and flow setups are most efficient as it represents nature's wet dry cycles just more frequently. Less risk of root disease since you are not constantly sitting in water. pH tends to be more stable if enough res volume per plant is used. In early veg 2 gal per plant is more than enough. In flower 5 gal per is better. I see very little drift using these rules. Less drift = less work and less problems. :peace:
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thx McB, a couple more questions,
do you clean your res between changes? if yes how?
do you flush your medium? how often?
do you re-use your hydroton? how many times before you replace?
you said this is your favorite setup, what else have you tried beside dirt?
i could definitely use more bud and less work! I am seriously considering buying a similar setup, do you think the CAP system is the best? or is there some other company you'd recommend? :ganjamon:
 
McBudz said:
Less work and more buds is the name of my game ;)

With my setup the way it is I change res's every ten days and just monitor pH and top off about every 5 days. Not counting times where I harvest transplant or clone I literally spend a few minutes each day in the grow room. Cloning 12 plants takes about an hour. Transplanting clones into veg ebb and flow tray.. about 1 hour including res management. (Not including time it takes to fill res.) I set an alarm clock and just check on it while I do another things around the home. Suppose I could get some float valves for this purpose but I cannot afford that type of mechanical failure). A few weeks later transplanting from veg to ebb and grow flower about an hour to 1.5 hours.

All in all very little work day to day. And I usually see fantastic results for such little babysitting type work. By far my favorite setup.

Also I feel like ebb and flow setups are most efficient as it represents nature's wet dry cycles just more frequently. Less risk of root disease since you are not constantly sitting in water. pH tends to be more stable if enough res volume per plant is used. In early veg 2 gal per plant is more than enough. In flower 5 gal per is better. I see very little drift using these rules. Less drift = less work and less problems. :peace:
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I too only spend a short time each day with my plants. Your operation is how I have been looking to have mine. A question though. What did you mean by the 2 gal / 5 gal per plant depending on veg or flower? Is that a guideline for reservoir volume estimation or pot size for each plant? If the latter, how on earth do you repot an ebb n flow hydro plant?
 
blacken said:
nice wheelo nice
=D
its a good time over at the wheelo place lol
have a good xmas yo
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thx blacken.
it'll be even better when the dry period is over, but it's always a good time over here! lol.
you have a great christmas too my black brother. :ganjamon:
 
WheeloFortune said:
thx McB, a couple more questions,
do you clean your res between changes? if yes how?
do you flush your medium? how often?
do you re-use your hydroton? how many times before you replace?
you said this is your favorite setup, what else have you tried beside dirt?
i could definitely use more bud and less work! I am seriously considering buying a similar setup, do you think the CAP system is the best? or is there some other company you'd recommend? :ganjamon:
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Most of the time I just wet vac the remaining water my submersible does not evacuate. Then I just fill. Every few grows I change hoses and clean the res with clorox.

I havent done any formal medium rinse other than running clearex during final plant flush.

If the medium looks to have too much salt in the future I plan to put a net over my bathtub drain and fill tup with dirty hydroton and let is shower for a bit. maybe do a clearex soak in the tub then re-rinse with shower. I reuse my hydrton 100%. I can recover most of it from the root balls. I will only buy more as needed if I run low.

By favorite setup I mean mostly from observation. I have aeroponic experience and fog experience from some small experiments I ran in the past as well as from my ez-cloner which is basically an aero/dwc setup if you let clones root long enough.

Basically through tons of research and thinking I found that the CAP system was best for my needs. allows extreme flexibility in placement of sites which I love becasue its nearly the same as using dirt pots in that respect.

The only down side to the system is its all or nothing. With one res and one controller you really need to be growing clones from the same mom or at least very similar type plants as far as nute needs and flowering times. The reason I run 2 setups is to allow some flex into growing multi strains and having staggered harvests. For $400 its a system that cannot be beat IMO. I am still happy with my purchase and see nothing else on the market that fits my needs better. The ability to have a remote reservoir is also key due to not having it anywhere near the lights and heat.

Also once everything is going from clone there is no need for any iffy medium like rockwool or grow plugs. Its all roots and hydroton baby. Perfectly stable.

munki said:
I too only spend a short time each day with my plants. Your operation is how I have been looking to have mine. A question though. What did you mean by the 2 gal / 5 gal per plant depending on veg or flower? Is that a guideline for reservoir volume estimation or pot size for each plant? If the latter, how on earth do you repot an ebb n flow hydro plant?
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I mean gallons of water per plant site. However in a flood table you do have a little flexibility on pot size due to adjustable drain settings. They a stackable by adding or taking away 1.5 inch length peices. I've cut them down to .75 inches to to meet my needs. I generally just use the one size 5x5x5 in my table and go to the 2 gal ebb/grow pots. I try not to grow monster plants in my setup so root space is a non issue. I stay with more of a SOG style and get the benefit of many main colas.
 
Thanks McBudz. Too bad many legal grows get hampered by plant count limits as SOG is realistically out of reach for many of them. Love SOG for the many main colas. Also the idea that if a plant is weak, it would be easy to pull and move the remaining plants into the space.
 
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