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thanks for the pm wheelo
you will put it to good use i'm sure.
Wheelo's 3rd run - Attack of the Holy Shoots
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you will put it to good use i'm sure.
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i like it for a first listen. . . i don't really identify with some of it like the somali aspects, but the music is cool, i'll give it some more time.
It's the same reason i didn't much like the l.a. song from aj, i've never even been to the left coast yet, so i don't identify with a bunch of the stuff he talks about. plus the l.a. song is hatin on the east coast man, you know i can't get down with that. but it's all good, like Jay would say, you just brush your shoulder off.
but it's all good, like Jay would say, you just brush your shoulder off.
Haha But it's really not dissin' east coast....
Hey Wheel, I've been meaning to ask you about when you mixed up your super soil. Did you age it as subcool suggested for a month or so? Or maybe your modifications were so you didn't have to wait for it to mellow? I'm curious because I would like to give the super soil a shot in the future but I want to plan accordingly.Thx!
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nah, i didn't let it sit. . . the waiting period, as i understand it, is to let the mycorrizhae get active in the soil before the roots go in. . . well i didn't have time for all that, so to compensate, on the first watering, i gave them a healthy shot of voodoo juice and sweet. . . i figured that would get the wildlife popping right away.
i guess it worked well judging from the results so far, but the next 5 weeks should be the real test in my eyes.
i would definitely recommend this super soil so far based on its performance, but we'll see how it compares to the hydro next door in the end. . . I can already see that the wheel plants are bigger, but they haven't been working against my training and they are under 200 more watts than the scrog. . . it will be an interesting comparison at the end, the 20 year old organic recipe in dirt vs. the high tech hydro with the top of the line nute reg. who will win?? dunno yet, but as far as ease goes i can already say the SS hands down. . . i feel like you cant go wrong with this stuff.
my modifications were because i couldn't get a couple items unless i ordered it online and i didn't want to wait for the shipping because i had clones that needed a home and i wanted to harvest this year. lol. i was missing some trace minerals, and the rock phosphate. . . well the FF tripack each have a bunch of trace minerals and phosphate so i just juiced it a bit with them instead. it seems like they like it.
i never check my runoff, balance the ph, or anything. . . i know my RO is about 6.5 so its perfect for dirt. water once a week. like andy said earlier in this thread "can it really be this easy?"
i guess it worked well judging from the results so far, but the next 5 weeks should be the real test in my eyes.
i would definitely recommend this super soil so far based on its performance, but we'll see how it compares to the hydro next door in the end. . . I can already see that the wheel plants are bigger, but they haven't been working against my training and they are under 200 more watts than the scrog. . . it will be an interesting comparison at the end, the 20 year old organic recipe in dirt vs. the high tech hydro with the top of the line nute reg. who will win?? dunno yet, but as far as ease goes i can already say the SS hands down. . . i feel like you cant go wrong with this stuff.
my modifications were because i couldn't get a couple items unless i ordered it online and i didn't want to wait for the shipping because i had clones that needed a home and i wanted to harvest this year. lol. i was missing some trace minerals, and the rock phosphate. . . well the FF tripack each have a bunch of trace minerals and phosphate so i just juiced it a bit with them instead. it seems like they like it.
i never check my runoff, balance the ph, or anything. . . i know my RO is about 6.5 so its perfect for dirt. water once a week. like andy said earlier in this thread "can it really be this easy?"
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yeah andy, actually i would have much preferred to have followed the recipe exactly, but reality is what it is, I had the clones, they needed a home, and i didn't want to wait, so i patched it up as best i could, threw it together and ran with it. it is what it is, and so far it's working out great!!! so, i guess the proof is in the pudding. if you follow my recipe, no its not subcool's mix exactly, but will it work well? sure seems too so far.
the only two items i was missing was the azomite and rock phosphate.
if I were to run this again, and it is very possible i will, i would go the whole nine and mix up a 55 gal drum with all the fixins and let it set. . . as far as a stable pH or anything like that, i haven't ever checked my runoff or even the RO before i water for that matter. haven;t seen any evidence of a problem though so, not sweatin it.
andy you ever gonna do a journal for us to see? maybe a supersoil? lol. would love to see it bro.
the only two items i was missing was the azomite and rock phosphate.
if I were to run this again, and it is very possible i will, i would go the whole nine and mix up a 55 gal drum with all the fixins and let it set. . . as far as a stable pH or anything like that, i haven't ever checked my runoff or even the RO before i water for that matter. haven;t seen any evidence of a problem though so, not sweatin it.
andy you ever gonna do a journal for us to see? maybe a supersoil? lol. would love to see it bro.
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been a few days so update time.
lets start with the HS clones. roots aren't out of the RW yet, but they're forming nicely. . . taking a little longer when coming out of flower it seems.
lets start with the HS clones. roots aren't out of the RW yet, but they're forming nicely. . . taking a little longer when coming out of flower it seems.
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here are the two GWS clones, i felt the big one was ready for some LST.
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now lets do some wheel shots:
here is one i didn't crop much:
a little closer
here are a couple closeups to show bud formation so far.
in the last two, i am trying to show you guys the different growth patterns of the clones i put in and let run at the light, and the bigger LST'd plants that i vegged.
these ones are standing up and running at the light. this is the standard model omega suggests.
these two are lst'd and aren't growing directly at the light. there is a taller clone in the background that shows the height difference nicely.
here is one i didn't crop much:
a little closer
here are a couple closeups to show bud formation so far.
in the last two, i am trying to show you guys the different growth patterns of the clones i put in and let run at the light, and the bigger LST'd plants that i vegged.
these ones are standing up and running at the light. this is the standard model omega suggests.
these two are lst'd and aren't growing directly at the light. there is a taller clone in the background that shows the height difference nicely.
blacken
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oh =D lsting clones neat
buds omg XD awesome
buds omg XD awesome
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and finally the scrog. i hit the lights for you guys. . . and I lied to you, i've still been tucking a bit to try to get more sites in more squares. it's still coming along beautifully though, but i'll let you all be the judge of that for yourselves.
ultrasonic
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Well now thats just damn sexy looking. +REP on that one!
Looks beautiful to me bro!
I counted at least 60 buds!
Really nice coverage on the screen.
Can't wait to see them in a couple weeks.
great job bro!
I counted at least 60 buds!
Really nice coverage on the screen.
Can't wait to see them in a couple weeks
.great job bro!
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thx blk
thx ultra. . . still tuckin away.
Looks beautiful to me bro!
I counted at least 60 buds!
Really nice coverage on the screen.
Can't wait to see them in a couple weeks
great job bro!
thx SS. there's probably a few more than that. . . you and me both (can't wait for a few weeks from now) hopefully this SS will really produce! munki used a 400 hps, and thats what i have, i want to check his journal and see what his average bud wt. was per site. then maybe i can guess a comparison wt.
i could have probably vegged another couple of weeks and tried to fill in some more sites, but that would have moved my harvest back too much for me.
I'm down to my last few grams, and my buddy's harvest is a week AFTER mine
so the next time i will have good bud available to me will be christmas. thats gonna be a long wait, and i have no funds for buying weeed, so i might just go without. . . i will be pretty busy anyways.- Thread starter
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i just went and looked and i think i have about 100 bud sites.
my screen has 21 x 16 2" squares, thats 336 squares. . .
so by that rough estemation, my screen is about 30% full.
i think i'm done tucking now, including today, i tucked for 18 days after the 12/12 switch. if I stop now, hopefully they will run about 6-8" up from here.
my screen has 21 x 16 2" squares, thats 336 squares. . .
so by that rough estemation, my screen is about 30% full.
i think i'm done tucking now, including today, i tucked for 18 days after the 12/12 switch. if I stop now, hopefully they will run about 6-8" up from here.
wow, 100 bud sites is nuts!
I know the ideal is to have a bud in each hole, but is that really desirable? Seems like it might be too crowded, or is there such a thing with scrogs?
hope things work out so you don't run out of smoke, but yeah, sometimes it's cool to go without for a bit.
Looks like your tucking strategy worked very well!
I know the ideal is to have a bud in each hole, but is that really desirable? Seems like it might be too crowded, or is there such a thing with scrogs?
hope things work out so you don't run out of smoke, but yeah, sometimes it's cool to go without for a bit.
Looks like your tucking strategy worked very well!
The Lurker
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Nice job! I don't know about you guys, but a nice even carpet like the one you've got is a beautiful site in my eyes. I think most folks, including me, would be happy to have 100 bud sites anywhere. The smoke you've got is better than the smoke you don't! +Rep to you, by the way. Great thread!
I think we should remember that any number or goal is just that - a number. It's something to shoot for, and encourage us so we can do better than we did before. A lot of times it's pretty nebulous, really. As long as we can simply enjoy growing, share the results with each other, and have enough to tide us over, then that should be enough for anyone. (Unless you're growing for cash, which is not what this forum is supposed to be about).
(And yes, there is definitely such a thing as too crowded--! Too much growth + not enough air movement = mold, esp. in summer. [shudder] Best to trim 'em down below and keep 'em separated up top. Kinda like a girlfriend, with implants...
)Wanting a 1/1 bud-to-hole ratio for scrog is just like saying 'I'd like an 80% free throw success rate at the foul line', 'I want to reach xxx grams/watt', 'I want to pick up supermodel twin girls with a latex fetish at the bar tonight', or 'I want to not cuss out my mother-in-law whenever she tells me her daughter could've married the other guy instead--!'
Sometimes, it's just not possible...
If you're going to have them at all, it's always better to set realistic goals initially, reach those, and work up over time. And, we should never forget to reward ourselves as we reach the smaller milestones along the way! (smoke some bud, if possible...) Keep 'the ideal' in mind - but don't sweat it. It's there for inspiration only. I know I'll never play guitar like Eric Johnson, Pat Metheny, or Charlie Hunter (San Fran's own!), but I can still dream. And practice, practice, practice!
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A screen is really just a way to train, after all. It will help increase yield, sure, but once training's done, it's pretty superfluous - unless some of the stems need support and such. You can remove it, or not; usually it's easier to just leave in place. Getting as many buds as possible all at the same height is the real goal. Better than having a few donkey dick colas with the lower parts of the plant still in shade (though I love pictures like that, too!)
No one's in a competition with anyone else, in any event (at least, they shouldn't be). And if they are competing, it should only be with themselves. I mean, if you're at 0.1 g/watt-hr and next time you get 0.2, you've just doubled your yield! Woohoo!
Me, I'd just be happy to have anything right now. Been off for a couple of years, half my furniture is sitting in storage back home, and can't wait until this job rotation's done so I can start growin' again. Being overseas has been fun and all, but there's no place like home. (Right, Dorothy? Can I borrow your red slippers for just a minute?) And there are better medicines for lower back pain than Advil.
Hey, next time you get a chance, blow some smoke my way, bro. Thanks mate!
Regards,
-TL
I love the scrog calculations. Thats definetly something to strive for!! 100 sites nice boether. And the wheel DAMN dont get me started on that..Thats going to be a nice bountiful harvest..
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Desirable? very! Practical? eh . . . Possible? yes. . . if you had advanced OCD or an awesome billion dollar robot.
yeah, there is definitely a saturation point also. past that more time will not equal more bud. . . i just never made it there. a good description would be that you approach a point of diminishing returns. like in the beginning you get a lot for a little, but in the end you have to do 5x the work for .3x increase in yield. . . although i'm nowhere near that this grow. so you just have to make up your mind at which point does the extra work not equal the potential gains. i think i could have vegged for another 3 weeks and pulled 40-50% more??guestimate?? but that would have put me too far behind my desired schedule.
thanks bro, i'm very pleased with the performance of the scrog so far! the smoke I've got is better than most, and most are better than nothing at all.
i couldn't agree with you more my man.
give or take. i'm hoping to get about 1 oz/sq ft which is reasonable. that would be 9 oz or so. not really sure because of the unknown variable of the Super Soil. but with 400w that would be ok by me.
the wheel is looking great, but i don't think i'm gonna pull anything very impressive out of it. 20 something plants, not really completely full I'd be really happy with a pound, but that might be optimistic. i don't really know because there are too many unknowns here. . . i am guessing 4-5 grams from the smallest clones, 8-10 from medium and 25-35 grams from the few big ones. . . when i harvest ill keep track of individual plant yields, sizes, and veg times, and compare to see what might be the best method. . . I'm guessing the traditional method will be best, but if you have a plant count and want to know what you'd have to do to be successful, this journal should answer some questions.
at least i know i'll be set on bud for a while come christmas, that at least should be a certainty.
hapgrowy
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ScrOG looks amazing... i cant wait to see them in a few weeks
+rep if i can,,
+rep if i can,,