Welcome All My Friends To The Show That Never Ends - Canna M & Nismo12 Team Up!

[Nismo12]

Ok, made it home from town. I went to two stores in two different states to track those a/c units down. Now waiting on nis to get home so we can run the power for them and get them going. I'm sure we will have pics of them later. Lol

Oh yeah! Here we go! but first

 

[WannaBfarmer]

power ,the home growers biggest hassle i feel , i grow a lot of plants and have diff rooms so a lot of power a lot of extension cords ,might be 5 lights in a room but only 2 using that rooms circuit , the others using other circuits , im forced to be extension cord macgyver.

heirloom, your vision is identical to mine , im buying a property building a cola monster greenhouse and a heirloom solar setup .

happening end of this year ,i cant wait to share my move ,new set up ,new life with all you guys

I'm not a fan of extension cords at all. I've put out many a fire due to overloaded extension cords. Be careful, no one should get hurt or suffer property damage because of this "hobby."


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[millertm]

Plants look amazing. SSH will kill it foe sure, satava is one of my favorites but can be picky and takes 80 days of flower. Great job hope AC hooks you up and allows more lights.

Cheers

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[xave420]

looking good canna , hope those ac's help keep your room cool! how hot was it getting ?

 

[Nismo12]

I'm not a fan of extension cords at all. I've put out many a fire due to overloaded extension cords. Be careful, no one should get hurt or suffer property damage because of this "hobby."


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Temporary until I can get one of my sparky buddies over here to hook us up. Then there will be permanent outlets everwhere.

 

[Duggan]

Temporary until I can get one of my sparky buddies over here to hook us up. Then there will be permanent outlets everwhere.

Sparky buddy!!....wish i was closer...

 

[Nismo12]

Plants look amazing. SSH will kill it foe sure, satava is one of my favorites but can be picky and takes 80 days of flower. Great job hope AC hooks you up and allows more lights.

Cheers

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More lights....now you are talking!

looking good canna , hope those ac's help keep your room cool! how hot was it getting ?

The highest i saw it ever was 88 degrees. I thought they would have been able to handle it since outdoor growing it gets hot also. Wasn't optimal but never again will it happen.

 

[photos]

I'm not a fan of extension cords at all. I've put out many a fire due to overloaded extension cords. Be careful, no one should get hurt or suffer property damage because of this "hobby."


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most voltage ill have running through is 600 w, but yeah i know my friend

 

[Duggan]

most voltage ill have running through is 600 w, but yeah i know my friend

Hold on Photos....Voltage is not watts. Know what ya meant though .


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[redmud]

Hey Nismo I remodeled a house once it had two 200 amp panels, the garage had two 220 outlets a utility sink and 110 outlets everywhere and the laundry room was in the hall in the middle of the house. everyone was miffed trying to figure out why the previous owner needed so much power in the garage lol

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[Duggan]

 

[Nismo12]

Hey Nismo I remodeled a house once it had two 200 amp panels, the garage had two 220 outlets a utility sink and 110 outlets everywhere and the laundry room was in the hall in the middle of the house. everyone was miffed trying to figure out why the previous owner needed so much power in the garage lol

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We just bought this house a year ago and there are outlets everywhere, a 500 square foot outdoor greenhouse, tons of pots and supplies. Even found a couple "aquarium" lights. The greenhouse has its own furnace for winter growing. At closing the owners were hippys and moved to California. I wonder what they had going on. Hmmmm.

 

[redmud]

Funny huh there were more people partaking back in the day than anyone really knew.

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[TorturedSoul]

Wow, I am WAY behind on your thread. I might end up creating a few posts (too lazy to do multi-page multi-quoting right now :rolleyes3 ).

Does anyone know how to view reps received? Well more than the last 5 anyways.

There is no separate "reputation points/comments" page. The chief would have to adjust the setting that specifies how many comments are visible on our User CP pages in the forum's admin CP (and that is a universal setting, cannot adjust it on a per-user basis). I assume is is set at five either to keep the bandwidth usage lower, the speed up, or both (but IDK). You wouldn't think that a forum that transfers mostly text would eat a lot of bandwidth, but when you look at the number of registered members - plus the thousands of "guest" visitors the forum has in a week (or maybe even in a day), combined with the level of thread/post activity, well... I sure wouldn't want to have 420's bandwidth bills, lol - they're probably massive.

I am usually on top of it but I just saw I had 14 new reps.

I access the forum through my User CP page so that the first page I see has all of the threads I'm subscribed to which have new posts. If (when) I hover my mouse cursor over the "User CP" link at the top of the page, it'll show a pop-up that lists the number of new notifications. Clicking on that line will show what they are (or something like that).

Yeah, you can just look on your User CP page below the subscribed threads list to see latest reputation point comments (given and received), lol - but the thing in the above paragraph allows you to quickly and easily see IF you have new notifications (the reputation point comments, new likes/thanks, new PMs), so you can check more often without much effort. Actually, since that User CP link appears at the top of every page here, you don't have to actually be viewing your User CP page (that's just my "landing page").

Also shocked to see my rep power to 1300.

Wow, congratulations. Mine is only 309 and I have almost 30,000 reputation points, lol. Then again, I crawled under a rock and hid for about three years a while back.

We just got some snow storm ultra from Humboldt County as well.

Are you going to do a complete test with two identical (or as near as possible) clones, where everything is the same except for the application of SSU on one of them in order to see how much benefit that substance is (if at all)? I know a lot of people swear by it... But I cannot help if there is at least a little bit of "I paid good money for the stuff, so it must work," lol. I saw a thread a while back where a person tried to do a comparison and he couldn't really tell much if any difference. But ONE such experiment is hardly telling.

I have read that it is 1-Triacontanol (C30H62O). I just had a look at the MSDS for the product and it states the decomposition/breakdown components are only carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, nitrogen oxides, and ammonia. Which would make sense if the only ingredient (other than water or another carrier) is just a long-chain alcohol. Interestingly (well... to ME, lol), tests by the USDA and scientists at various universities have shown little benefit from Triacontanol (I believe they were testing it as a plant growth hormone, which it technically is IIRC). The reason seemed to be that Triacontanol is very insoluble in water - and most other solvents - under normal conditions and requires combinations of various solvents, detergents, and surfactants to keep it in solution. Also, seems like, to be effective it is supposed to have to be in a solution that has a pH of 8 or higher and have metal ions - such as calcium - present in the solution. Now... The bit about the metal ions ought to be no problem, since the average batch of hydroponic nutrients are full of such things (salts typically consist of negative ions from a metal and positive ions from a non-metal). But most folks don't mix most things up at that pH. So... IDK, lol? That's why I'm "somewhat" skeptical - but I am trying to keep an open mind, and that is why I would love to see some sort of comparison where the presence of SSU was the only variable.

EDIT: BtW, all of your plants look great!

EDIT #2: I forgot to mention that I've read that SSU is "all-natural." IF the only real ingredient in it is Triacontanol, that this would (also) make perfect sense. Triacontanol is found in alfalfa. Which tells me that a person who does their cannabis gardening "organically" might be able to reap some of the posited benefits of SSU by way of an alfalfa tea (although, to be honest, I have NO idea about what kind of concentration they'd be able to end up with, if a simple "organic tea" procedure would be enough, et cetera).

 

[Nismo12]

Good evening everyone!


So we have a couple things tonight from me to share with you. Today Canna went out and picked up a couple 8,000 BTU portable AC units. At first thinking that we would need one big AC or two smaller units for the veg room itself, I am happy to say that one unit in both rooms will be sufficient. We got the one in the veg room setup since the lights were still on and cooling the room. It had dropped 4 degrees in the room in about a half hour or so and it is working perfectly. We hooked a garden hose up to the condensate drain and put it in a roughly 10 gallon bucket. It isn't on dehumidify mode but it is an air conditioner so it'll have a little condensate regardless. Now for the exhaust I had to get a little crafty for the evening as a reducer will be purchased tomorrow and put in. But for the time being going from 4" exhaust from the AC to 6" duct from the exhaust is made up from tape and a bunch of bailing wire. It'll serve its ghetto purpose for 24 hours. We took out the carbon filter from the room since it was basically acting as an exhaust for heat from the room and hooked the AC exhaust to it. It doesn't smell in there so it wasn't really needed. We are still using an intake so fresh air is always brought in. As for the electrical aspect of it since there was talks of it earlier...not a single extension cord was used. I found a bank of outlets on its own 20 amp breaker (nothing from the rooms are drawing from it and nothing from outside of it either minus a couple light bulbs that are never on) that we are using for the AC. It was hiding behind the big ass heavy shelving unit the previous owners were so awesome to leave us. I see why they left it. Probably weighs 500 lbs. No joke

Just a quick peak at the fruit punch clones in the back and bubble bomb clone in the front. And of course the other little ones.

One of my friends asked me to place a order for him on Herbies so we could get some seeds. He has been growing trainwreck for years off of bagseeds he originally got and cloned. Well he was down to a couple regular seeds so we made sure to get him some feminized ones. I tried to get him to try something else since he loved the little sample (a quarter) we gave him of the purple kush. Old habits die hard I guess. But since there was an order being placed and there is no reason to waste space inside of the parcel so we got a few ourselves.

But wait there is more! I have been wanting some pineapple express for months and months, so I finally got it. It is an auto and we all know Canna loves her autos but she is letting me take control of this one. She just went PLOP!

Nothing else going on other than everyone got a good drink of water tonight and the Fruit punch in flower got some sledgehammer. I am thinking she will be pulled and harvested on Sunday. We will see about the other ones that are close but I am thinking mid next week. All trichomes are cloudy with no clear and a touch of amber on those. They could sneak up on us and be ready in a hurry.


Hope everyone is having a great evening. But I have to go, Canna is passing me a joint and you all are next. Stay classy friends.

 

[dirt mcgert]

I've been wanting a PE auto ever since I saw UltraDan's. Looking forward to that Buddha mix as well. Can't beat it for the price. Glad temps are under control. You 2 have a great night thanks for the update

 

[premedgrow]

Definitely excited to see how the Blue Dream grows. I've enjoyed it's smoke from a few dispos around town but I haven't had the chance to grow it myself yet.

Happy growing!


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[Nismo12]

I've been wanting a PE auto ever since I saw UltraDan's. Looking forward to that Buddha mix as well. Can't beat it for the price. Glad temps are under control. You 2 have a great night thanks for the update

I've been wanting it since the movie in 2008 lol. I've had similar and may have had it before but up until about a year ago we didn't get the names of the strains in the bag. So now we have the auto version. I am officially excited.

Definitely excited to see how the Blue Dream grows. I've enjoyed it's smoke from a few dispos around town but I haven't had the chance to grow it myself yet.

Happy growing!


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Canna's dad got us some Blue dream a couple months back and it landed on my top 5 strains. Can't wait to give her a go...she will be first up in "the kit"

 

[TorturedSoul]

Don't worry about the gym sock smell Nismo. That smell profile has been known to pop up on a few strains. I've had it as well. It will likely change at some point. Probably to a cat piss smell. LOL!

<GAGS> If my house smelled like cat p!ss, my cats would receive an eviction notice. I'm hoping that Jack Herer doesn't end up smelling like that. And if it tastes like that, well... I'll be giving most of it away, so it'll be someone else's problem, but still, lol.

Ruefully, I was told that regular seeds stay female if kept under 75°

There is some evidence that shows high temperatures negatively affect the female:male ratio. Dutch Passion published an article some years ago about things that the grower could do in order to favor (or, rather, environmental conditions that would favor) a higher percentage of female plants. I have never found proof to the contrary. That article has been reprinted "all over the Internet." Here is a page here that contains it; IIRC, the actual article starts about halfway down:
Increasing chances of female plants from standard seeds - Blogs - 420 Magazine ®

Pushing to 1 gpw would require strict controls with CO2 and sealed tent, mini split.

Plenty of growers have hit one gram per watt without supplemental CO₂. That certainly helps growth - especially if the grow room temperatures are higher than the accepted optimum (for grows that do not have supplemental CO₂), because it seems to allow growth (/flowering) to continue at higher temperatures and to utilize higher light levels (intensities). But, really, it depends on having one's grow dialed in. That might mean that air conditioning and/or CO₂ supplementation is required, but not necessarily. Strain choice can be a major factor - some strains just aren't big producers (see below). Knowing one's strain completely is very important - an equatorial strain is going to be tolerant of higher temperatures than a strain developed for(/at) a northerly latitude will, for example, and therefore the "sweet spot" in terms of temperature is very likely to be different. A lot of strains will tolerate higher PPM levels and show no signs of issues, but will actually produce somewhat higher yields at a lower rate of feeding. And so on. I have actually seen a couple old farts (separately) manage consistently high g/w yields on shoestring budgets; they had both been growing more or less the same strains for decades, and spent years changing just one thing at a time to see how that change affected things. Oh, and one grower always grew ONE strain only, the other grew ONE strain in the hottest part of the year and ONE other strain during the more reasonable times of the year. I think that had a lot to do with it, too - with only one strain, you are basically dealing with the same nutrient requirements. The guy that was growing one strain year-round used clones (basically the same plant), while the guy that alternated depending on temperature used clones except during the Summer months - and then he grew an IBL so there was little genetic variance amongst his plants even when he wasn't using clones.

Here is a journal thread from someone who <COUGH> is no longer a member. He grew in two-liter soda pop bottles, "hempy style." He didn't have the highest g/w numbers that I have ever seen, but I would certainly love to have comparable yields - IIRC, he was averaging around 1.1 g/w. He was growing SOG (obviously - two-liters, lol), but he was NOT adding supplemental CO₂. He grew a single strain, with little or no vegetative time after rooting his cuttings. I believe he was growing a strain called Snow White, but I won't swear to it.
Come SOG with Me - 112 Plant - 2 Liter - Hempy SOG

Although, as I mentioned, he is no longer a member here, I am glad that his journal remains. It was an interesting and educational read.

I mentioned above that strain choice has a lot to do with one's gram per watt figures, because some strains are not great producers in general. Some do not seem to yield much... Yes, the grower can grow those strains for an extended length of time in the vegetative period. However... When I see people discussing "grams per watt," what I think is that those people are primarily concerned with getting a high yield - in a short time. What is the point (other than bragging rights, lol?) in getting a high g/w if you have to be in the vegetative phase for an extra month, I wonder? I like sativas. Okay, I LOVE sativas . They often do not produce well. At one point, I had three separate (small) flowering spaces, each with a single 430-watt HPS (IDK why, lol - I guess I did not think about the "third light effect" at the time). They were SCROG setups, and I managed to have much success at ending up with almost perfectly-filled screens (from the screen up 12" to 14" was a mass of buds). And, yes, you can assume that luck played a big part . Anyway... I remember sitting down and figuring up my "g/w" and thinking, "Wow, I really did well!" Then I thought about the extended vegetative times and the 12 to 16 week flowering periods, and I pretty much stopped thinking in terms of g/w . Because, although my g/w numbers were excellent - and my grams per square foot numbers were outstanding - there was no doubt whatsoever that my grams per total amount of electricity used figures were, well... poor. Was I sad, lol? Most excellent high-potency sativas with seemingly NO ceiling (the more I smoked, the higher I got right up to - and well past - the point where I wasn't even making sense to ME, where I mostly "talked" in giggles... and where I could take a hit, cough it out and think, "Well, I wasted that one, better have another hit," and then walk into a convenience store to get a soda and realize that I couldn't manage to count out the change to pay the lady and ended up having to dump an entire handful on the counter and say, "You'll have to do it, I can't think right now."). Nope, I wasn't sad at all. I think that "g/w" is mostly just useful for folks who are growing cannabis to sell it.

I'm just rambling. You have undoubtedly already come to that conclusion .

Photosynthesis happens at rapid rate (keeps up with packets of electrons) free moving CO2 keeps plant from saturation on leafs.

Heat is a (large) factor, too. At ambient CO₂ levels, photosynthesis/growth/flower production stops at a certain temperature (varies by strain). With increased CO₂, that temperature point is raised.

rapid moving air gets ~700 ppm like results with room air

Err... No, it gets ~400 PPM CO₂ results, lol. It just gets it all the time instead of having a "results line" that keeps dipping and returning to ~400 PPM. A constant level of ~700 PPM would support photosynthesis at higher temperatures and would allow the plants to make use of higher levels of light. It would be reasonable to expect that people who bother to set up grow rooms that are semi-sealed (so to speak), to provide for the cooling that such a room requires - as opposed to venting, which is much cheaper and (generally) simpler - and to deal with both the expense of purchasing one or more CO₂ tanks plus the setup to dispense it, plus the expense (and hassle) of regularly taking the tank(s) somewhere to be refilled... will also spend the money on a CO₂ monitoring device and, therefore, will not see CO₂ levels that constantly rise and fall but, instead, maintain whatever higher level they wish to have. Err... Or something.

There are, of course, other factors at work here. A plant has to be able to transpire water. At a certain temperature, the leaves' stomata are going to close and transpiration stops. That will slow things down. Depending on the method of growing... If the grower uses a nutrient reservoir and that reservoir is located in the grow room, then it will also be subjected to higher temperatures, which will tend to equate with lower levels of dissolved O₂ in general (it can - and should - be constantly refreshed, but this can also cause elevated reservoir temperatures, depending on how it is done). If you get the DO levels up high enough... the ability of the plants to survive in temperatures that would see ME wilt is amazing, lol. But still, the reservoir should be kept cool. In "money is no object" setups, especially where supplemental CO₂ is used, reservoir chillers are fairly common. One can make a chiller from an air conditioner, but it may not be the best (in terms of efficiency and possibility of reservoir contamination). I have seen elaborate homemade water-to-water chiller setups where water was cooled, then pumped through the reservoir in pipes so that there was ZERO chance of cross-contamination - but at that point, you've just spent more time and money than it's really worth and probably should have just bought a chiller, lol.

Rambling again (still)...

LED's do not qualify for gpw calculation.

Ahem, lol. The ONLY light that should not count for g/w calculations (assuming that one is concerned with such things in the first place) is one that someone else is paying the electric bill for.

Mars II 400 pulls like 180 watts but (claims) ~400 watts equivalent (not that discussion now)

Yeah, and if you care to look on the average 23-watt CFL bulb, it probably states "100-watt equivalent," lol. <SHRUGS> Do you suppose the folks that are using those are counting up the number of 23-watt CFLs they are using, then thinking, "Let's see, that's ten 23-watt CFLs, so equivalent to 1,000 watts. Now my grams per watt figure would be...?" LMFAO.

Watts are watts. "Equivalent" is simply marketing-speak for "buy this light, now!!!"

What any light is equivalent to is... itself.

Now MARS II 400 yield should be calculated by 1000 watts, not 400 and really, not actual wall pull.

Respectfully, that makes no sense. It consumes ~174-177 watts. The ONLY thing that prevents me from stating, "You show me a documented cannabis grow where the grower gets ~1,000 grams of well-trimmed bud in a simple start-to-finish grow (IOW, no perpetual where plants are constantly being replaced) in a grow space that only has a single Mars II 400 as the sole light within the walls of that grow and I will happily eat that Mars II 400, and without salt," lol, is that I am perfectly willing to concede the possibility that, somewhere in the universe, there might be a being that is capable of breeding horses that speak English, creating perpetual energy machines that consume no fuel whatsoever... and harvesting ~1,000 watts of pure bud from ~175 watts of electricity. But I find the possibility to be exceedingly remote. Even the company that manufactures/sells it only states, "The Mars 400 can easily replace a 250W HPS or HID traditional grow light." If a grower can consistently pull ~250-gram yields from under one, that makes it a highly efficient light. But it does not make it a 250-watt light.

mars hydro led grow light-mars II 4

I believe the reason to even look at GPW is to get an idea of yield/cost. If that's what you're looking at, IMHO, you need to look at your actual yield and the actual power draw from the wall which equates to your true cost, regardless of what the light manufacturer tells you.

Right on, brother!

Additionally, I would suggest (as others have in the past and will in the future) that if that is the case, that one should consider the gross number of kWh used, start to finish as well.

As far as PAR, lumens, spectrum, etc., those speak to the quality of the light

<DING> We have a winner .

which should be reflected in your yield#.

As should every other factor in the grow.

Again, unless one is growing solely for profit (and in some cases even then), there are other things that are AT LEAST as important as gross yield numbers. Taste, aroma, potency, length of effect, type of effect... Liklihood of producing hermaphrodites... For some, the length of the flowering period seems to be of high importance. Others cannot stand plants that grow really tall - or simply do not have the room to grow them - and/or sprawl all over the place. Et cetera.

As far as one's lighting goes... I will admit that the cost to purchase it/them is something that should be a consideration. However... LED grow light panels are not "throwaway items" (at least they're not supposed to be ), in that the purchase is spread out - amortized - over several (hopefully, many) grows. It's like the tools/materials that I use in one of the types of work that I do. Some of them get wholly consumed and/or used to the point at which they are no longer usable during one job - I add the cost of such things to each and every job (in which I use them). Others last several or many jobs, and those things I spread the cost out in such a way that I bill each customer (or the person that I am working for, if I am not working for myself) a percentage of the replacement cost.

Unlike the LED panel itself, the amount of electricity that it consumes during the period of one grow... gets wholly consumed during that one grow and must be paid for each time.

Why would you want to penalize LED's for being (possibly!) more cost efficient?

I don't see it as penalizing LED panels. To me, it is simply an error in logic. Because a watt is a watt. I have to pay the same whether that watt is consumed by an LED panel, a HPS bulb, or my toaster (lol). Even the so-called "smart" meters are not that smart .

 

[AngryBird]

oo maybe he had lots and lots of....tools??