Jacobsenji
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Please excuse the weired post above. Dunno how to fix it. Stoner
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Jacobsenji
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One was for sure. The PK in the breeding tent is a seed we got from our plant. Pretty cool huh?
Jacobsenji
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Uh yeah I do think that is about pretty much the coolest thing. When I first heard about this I thought to myself wow a female flowered out will produce a genectically identical clone of itself in it's death throes ! Jacob. Dude that means a genetically superior plant to a clone in my book. Because I believe for whatever reason that the DNA is fully allowed to develope and the plant will be exactly the way it's supposed to be. Provided tlc from a loving and understanding grower.
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Ok so reading it over we have some critical pieces of info:
1. The PK showed first.
2. This happened before any breeding in the other parts of the house
3. All the plants got seeds not just the PK.
4. You gre one of the seeds and it looks like PK
Ok so what does this tell me?
1. PK is 90% your culprit because she showed first! I think she is shooting nanners somewhere mid grow (mild herm). If it were radical self pollination only PK would have seeds.
2. Other plants made seeds after PK did. This also points to PK and makes her the prime suspect! But it means she had to throw pollen or the other strains would be seedless.
3. The PK you grew doesn't look like a other strain, it looks like PK. So again PK is your most likely culprit!
So.
1.Try a grow with no PK from start to finish. And before this new grow that has no PK spray EVERYTHING down with tap water. The tap water will Ina to ate any stray viable pollen. Then add your plants and grow them out. Still be vigilant and examine your other plants for nanners or stray male pods, both in the buds and at the nodes where preflowers show. Male sacs also sometimes grow at the bottom of female buds.
2. Get a USB microscope (for under 20 at the Brazilian rainforest site). Scan your PK buds and other buds that have dried for the presence of nanners. Go slow and check very carefully. Also use the scope on plants currently in flower.
1. The PK showed first.
2. This happened before any breeding in the other parts of the house
3. All the plants got seeds not just the PK.
4. You gre one of the seeds and it looks like PK
Ok so what does this tell me?
1. PK is 90% your culprit because she showed first! I think she is shooting nanners somewhere mid grow (mild herm). If it were radical self pollination only PK would have seeds.
2. Other plants made seeds after PK did. This also points to PK and makes her the prime suspect! But it means she had to throw pollen or the other strains would be seedless.
3. The PK you grew doesn't look like a other strain, it looks like PK. So again PK is your most likely culprit!
So.
1.Try a grow with no PK from start to finish. And before this new grow that has no PK spray EVERYTHING down with tap water. The tap water will Ina to ate any stray viable pollen. Then add your plants and grow them out. Still be vigilant and examine your other plants for nanners or stray male pods, both in the buds and at the nodes where preflowers show. Male sacs also sometimes grow at the bottom of female buds.
2. Get a USB microscope (for under 20 at the Brazilian rainforest site). Scan your PK buds and other buds that have dried for the presence of nanners. Go slow and check very carefully. Also use the scope on plants currently in flower.
Jacobsenji
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Just the dabs talking. N some Sour Deisal. Pologize for bustin in with nonsense.
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Not nonsense man. I think I totally understood what you were saying. (But I have been dabbing too!)
Jacobsenji
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I feel like this about my grow now too. I just have this theory weired as it sounds. It just sounds right to veg as long as possible. Gives plant genetics a chance to completely fulfill there duties and in turn I think we get a more powerful high and more medicine per dose or dab. More complex if you will.
I have no way to prove this but it just sounds sound
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When going from seed it takes a plant 55 days to fully mature. So flowering before then gives you less yield and possibly less potency.
So as we sit there is really nothing we can do until the flower room is empty. We just put a PK reveg in there which is a clone of the culprit. She was in veg for 4 months. Sigh. I honestly don't get it. Does this happen often to other people but they don't share? I need a couple hoots.
I have had some nanner induced pollinations. A few of my 4csins are pushing nanners but I will harvest them in a week so no seeds will develop. I also get late season nanners on my agent orange and sometimes twister. The problem here is you have early season pollen from somewhere (or the seeds would never mature). It is another reason I do batch perpetuals instead of individual rolling perpetuals. With individual rolling perpetuals you can have a late season nanner that pollinates early flowering new additions and can make mature seeds.
When I know I have a plant that produces late flowering nanners I put them in later than the first part of the batch so when they make pollen there is nothing to pollinate. Then they get chopped before they can self seed.
When I know I have a plant that produces late flowering nanners I put them in later than the first part of the batch so when they make pollen there is nothing to pollinate. Then they get chopped before they can self seed.
So basically it is genetics with the PK...bad luck I guess.
Bad genetics from our point of view. From the point of view of PK she is determined to make a next generation. Even if it means growing balls and seeding herself. It's like she's saying "My purple milkshake ain't bringing any boys to the yard! Oh well if you want something done right then I guess ya gotta do it yourself! Let's grow some balls shall we?"
Any more, when I see someone complaining about hermies, my first thought is to wonder if they're growing a Barney's Farm strain, lol.
Aside from that, you seem to have received good advice: Let (most) strains flower long enough, and it's more likely that you'll see a male flower or two than that you won't. Some genetics have gotten a reputation for doing so before their accepted flowering period has finished (I'm thinking of Thai strains, but there have been others). Pollen can easily travel ¼-mile (or more), and like Tead stated, whether or not yours is a "legal" state, people have most likely been growing it outdoors for decades. And, yes, it'll stick to just about anything, lol - bees and such don't pick the stuff up and drop it on female flowers :rolleyes3 , it sticks to them when they feed, then enough gets transferred when they feed on the next flower to fertilize it. I've hand-pollinated pepper plants lots of times just by touching all the flowers in the garden with a finger. I've also used Q-tips, then given them to Mom so she could take them home and get a cross that she wanted - pollen travels well.
Enough stress can and will cause it. Someone once sent me a bunch of ("selfed") seeds in a baggie that they intentionally created by "light poisoning" their plant. Those were mostly immature because they did it late in flowering. But stress can happen any time... Things that happen at the seedling stage can have lasting effects, and not just by negatively influencing the female:male ratio.
And then there are feminized seeds... Sure, (most) breeders use chemicals and the like to produce them - but they're probably more inclined to keep parent stock that are... easier to reverse. That can mean that the plants a person grows are more inclined to produce male flowers than average. There have been a few major(+/-) breeders that replaced seeds because there were a LOT of reports of hermaphrodism in a short period of time. Back in the day (it was a Wednesday again, which should have warned me), I'd occasionally see a few seeds in my (otherwise) sinse, and I'd think, "Awesome, female seeds." But, a few generations later, that can easily become, "DOGGONE IT, I wanted potent sinsemilla - not 10,000 <BLEEPing> seeds!!!" because the trait of hermaphrodism is just like any other - and, in using such seeds, I was selecting for it. There are a few breeders who will only sell regular (aka "non-feminized") seeds... I sort of think of them as the anti-Greenhouse breeders
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Interesting discussion about filtering and air-tightness, too. Yeah... good luck with that, lol. It's true that many filters used for intake ventilation (when someone bothers to use them) are mainly just useful for things like insects - and not always the smaller ones of those - and cat hair. But the real problem is that we open the door regularly.
I've reversed plants (or parts of them) before, but very rarely. I have kept males a time or two. Each time I knew that I had a... biological contaminant (so to speak) on my hands (clothes/shoes/hair/lungs/etc.). The best way to collect and store cannabis pollen... is to have someone else do it, lol. Have them produce, collect, mix it with flour or something to cut it, and store it off-site. When you want to fertilize one of your precious plants, take it OUTSIDE, lol. Then get really paranoid about the pollen that is almost certainly on you as much as your plant. Don't go back inside until you've had a shower somewhere, and changed into a fresh set of clothes (including footwear). Leave the plant outside for five to seven days (hopefully, it'll rain). You... probably won't have pollen-related issues. (Err... They DO say that I'm a little paranoid .)
The worst thing about seed development, IMHO, is that the plant shifts its energy to it. That's understandable - the goal of the species is to continue the species. But buds will be less potent (although you can end up seeing your less potent buds get finished quicker, I guess).
I didn't really have anything to add. I just hadn't exercised my fingers today :LOL: .
Aside from that, you seem to have received good advice: Let (most) strains flower long enough, and it's more likely that you'll see a male flower or two than that you won't. Some genetics have gotten a reputation for doing so before their accepted flowering period has finished (I'm thinking of Thai strains, but there have been others). Pollen can easily travel ¼-mile (or more), and like Tead stated, whether or not yours is a "legal" state, people have most likely been growing it outdoors for decades. And, yes, it'll stick to just about anything, lol - bees and such don't pick the stuff up and drop it on female flowers :rolleyes3 , it sticks to them when they feed, then enough gets transferred when they feed on the next flower to fertilize it. I've hand-pollinated pepper plants lots of times just by touching all the flowers in the garden with a finger. I've also used Q-tips, then given them to Mom so she could take them home and get a cross that she wanted - pollen travels well.
Enough stress can and will cause it. Someone once sent me a bunch of ("selfed") seeds in a baggie that they intentionally created by "light poisoning" their plant. Those were mostly immature because they did it late in flowering. But stress can happen any time... Things that happen at the seedling stage can have lasting effects, and not just by negatively influencing the female:male ratio.
And then there are feminized seeds... Sure, (most) breeders use chemicals and the like to produce them - but they're probably more inclined to keep parent stock that are... easier to reverse. That can mean that the plants a person grows are more inclined to produce male flowers than average. There have been a few major(+/-) breeders that replaced seeds because there were a LOT of reports of hermaphrodism in a short period of time. Back in the day (it was a Wednesday again, which should have warned me), I'd occasionally see a few seeds in my (otherwise) sinse, and I'd think, "Awesome, female seeds." But, a few generations later, that can easily become, "DOGGONE IT, I wanted potent sinsemilla - not 10,000 <BLEEPing> seeds!!!" because the trait of hermaphrodism is just like any other - and, in using such seeds, I was selecting for it. There are a few breeders who will only sell regular (aka "non-feminized") seeds... I sort of think of them as the anti-Greenhouse breeders
.Interesting discussion about filtering and air-tightness, too. Yeah... good luck with that, lol. It's true that many filters used for intake ventilation (when someone bothers to use them) are mainly just useful for things like insects - and not always the smaller ones of those - and cat hair. But the real problem is that we open the door regularly.
I've reversed plants (or parts of them) before, but very rarely. I have kept males a time or two. Each time I knew that I had a... biological contaminant (so to speak) on my hands (clothes/shoes/hair/lungs/etc.). The best way to collect and store cannabis pollen... is to have someone else do it, lol. Have them produce, collect, mix it with flour or something to cut it, and store it off-site. When you want to fertilize one of your precious plants, take it OUTSIDE, lol. Then get really paranoid about the pollen that is almost certainly on you as much as your plant. Don't go back inside until you've had a shower somewhere, and changed into a fresh set of clothes (including footwear). Leave the plant outside for five to seven days (hopefully, it'll rain). You... probably won't have pollen-related issues. (Err... They DO say that I'm a little paranoid
.)The worst thing about seed development, IMHO, is that the plant shifts its energy to it. That's understandable - the goal of the species is to continue the species. But buds will be less potent (although you can end up seeing your less potent buds get finished quicker, I guess).
I didn't really have anything to add. I just hadn't exercised my fingers today :LOL: .
Jacobsenji
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Ps I'm not just talking dabs. Not even meant to say that. Just smoke. So scratch dab comment. I just got some real dabs n I've got a slight crush on em right now.
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Jacobsenji
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Wow from where I sit I have more planning Shiggity. Rolling individual was what was evolving here. Something to consider about batch perpetual. Man just when I had it figured out
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I'm just going to throw this bit we just thought of. None...I mean none of the autos that have been in there have seeds. Tomorrow we will be chopping 3 plants. Two photos and one Auto. So we will see. It almost seems like a "kush" thing. Purple kush and OG Kush. The pineapple chunk...no seeds. Fruit punch...very few and far between and nothing viable. Cheese...well that has been all we have smoked this week (an ounce a week) and found a couple here and there. Kinda want to put it in dirt and see what happens.
Also about the pollination. I give them a good foliar feeding two times a week all the way up to the start of the 4th week in flower. If pollen is wet...it dies right? Maybe I'm over thinking things. I really don't want to say that nothing goes in there until they all finish. We can move them out for a day and just clean the room like crazy.
So. Now we have to come up with a plan.
Also about the pollination. I give them a good foliar feeding two times a week all the way up to the start of the 4th week in flower. If pollen is wet...it dies right? Maybe I'm over thinking things. I really don't want to say that nothing goes in there until they all finish. We can move them out for a day and just clean the room like crazy.
So. Now we have to come up with a plan.
Been growing cloned OGK strain for years without a seed sighting.
Really?!?! Didn't know that. Learnin every day.
Any more, when I see someone complaining about hermies, my first thought is to wonder if they're growing a Barney's Farm strain, lol.
Aside from that, you seem to have received good advice: Let (most) strains flower long enough, and it's more likely that you'll see a male flower or two than that you won't. Some genetics have gotten a reputation for doing so before their accepted flowering period has finished (I'm thinking of Thai strains, but there have been others). Pollen can easily travel ¼-mile (or more), and like Tead stated, whether or not yours is a "legal" state, people have most likely been growing it outdoors for decades. And, yes, it'll stick to just about anything, lol - bees and such don't pick the stuff up and drop it on female flowers :rolleyes3 , it sticks to them when they feed, then enough gets transferred when they feed on the next flower to fertilize it. I've hand-pollinated pepper plants lots of times just by touching all the flowers in the garden with a finger. I've also used Q-tips, then given them to Mom so she could take them home and get a cross that she wanted - pollen travels well.
Enough stress can and will cause it. Someone once sent me a bunch of ("selfed") seeds in a baggie that they intentionally created by "light poisoning" their plant. Those were mostly immature because they did it late in flowering. But stress can happen any time... Things that happen at the seedling stage can have lasting effects, and not just by negatively influencing the female:male ratio.
And then there are feminized seeds... Sure, (most) breeders use chemicals and the like to produce them - but they're probably more inclined to keep parent stock that are... easier to reverse. That can mean that the plants a person grows are more inclined to produce male flowers than average. There have been a few major(+/-) breeders that replaced seeds because there were a LOT of reports of hermaphrodism in a short period of time. Back in the day (it was a Wednesday again, which should have warned me), I'd occasionally see a few seeds in my (otherwise) sinse, and I'd think, "Awesome, female seeds." But, a few generations later, that can easily become, "DOGGONE IT, I wanted potent sinsemilla - not 10,000 <BLEEPing> seeds!!!" because the trait of hermaphrodism is just like any other - and, in using such seeds, I was selecting for it. There are a few breeders who will only sell regular (aka "non-feminized") seeds... I sort of think of them as the anti-Greenhouse breeders
Interesting discussion about filtering and air-tightness, too. Yeah... good luck with that, lol. It's true that many filters used for intake ventilation (when someone bothers to use them) are mainly just useful for things like insects - and not always the smaller ones of those - and cat hair. But the real problem is that we open the door regularly.
I've reversed plants (or parts of them) before, but very rarely. I have kept males a time or two. Each time I knew that I had a... biological contaminant (so to speak) on my hands (clothes/shoes/hair/lungs/etc.). The best way to collect and store cannabis pollen... is to have someone else do it, lol. Have them produce, collect, mix it with flour or something to cut it, and store it off-site. When you want to fertilize one of your precious plants, take it OUTSIDE, lol. Then get really paranoid about the pollen that is almost certainly on you as much as your plant. Don't go back inside until you've had a shower somewhere, and changed into a fresh set of clothes (including footwear). Leave the plant outside for five to seven days (hopefully, it'll rain). You... probably won't have pollen-related issues. (Err... They DO say that I'm a little paranoid
The worst thing about seed development, IMHO, is that the plant shifts its energy to it. That's understandable - the goal of the species is to continue the species. But buds will be less potent (although you can end up seeing your less potent buds get finished quicker, I guess).
I didn't really have anything to add. I just hadn't exercised my fingers today :LOL: .
There's only one person I know on the interweb that writes in your particular style!...LOLOOL...and he is the reason I ended up here nearly six years ago...we were at a different forum...different premise...butt... a belated thanks for that...hope Mom is still doing OK...Cheerz...h00k...